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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

A Gathering - Wisconsin, August 2nd, 2008

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Cookieboystoys

Yes Tony, all went well and the tow rig preformed perfectly, just got to love that GMC for the tow rig. Place to sleep when I need it and goes down the road at 80mph towing a pinto with no problems.

9+ hours of driving each way

1132 miles total and 97 gallons of gas...

add in the hotel and trailer rental...

yep... a little lighter but worth every penny  ;D

ready to do it again next year  ;)

and the video --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQqO5H_BuNc
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Oh... we can't forget the custom shirts mark and the crew had, as I recall Summer had them made up just for this occasion...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

After breakfast I finished the drive to East Troy... 3 more hours.

After arriving in East Troy I got ahold of Mark and waited for him to come down with the crew, his wife Karen and their friend Summer. We headed to Gus's and it was all it was advertised to be. What a great time at the drive-in. Great food and a fantastic gathering of old classic cars. Mark's wagon is one fine example of a stock Squire wagon and it was a pleasure seeing it and meeting him and the crew...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Update and Pics.... I'm home safe and sound.

Saturday morning I met up with Dangerusdug for breakfast. He made the hour drive over from Lacrosse WI and brought the Bobcat. What a nice ride you have the Doug. It was nice meeting you and Thanks for breakfast.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Made it to Tomah, WI about 11pm. No room at the inn's so I sleep w/the Pinto at the truck stop  ;D

see ya in the morn DD, give a call when you're ready to leave.

a dog, some soup and more milk to wash them cookies down...   

then time to catch some shut-eye  :sleep:
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Tow Vehicle Ready - Check

Pinto Loaded - Check

Milk and Cookies - Check

Cookieboy Has left The Building!

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Hey 78squirewagon, thanks for the update (PM) and good to hear you may have found another local Pinto person to join the fun. I hope to see his 73? wagon too  ;D

Weather looks Excellent! if not a little warm for the get-together...

Sat Aug 2 Partly Cloudy Hi 84° Low 64°

I will be bringing the 73 on a trailer, reserved one today for the trip.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 78squirewagon on July 26, 2008, 11:53:36 AM
It will only be "Stormy" at Gus's. I got the "White Stallion" running today (more on that in a later post) but found that the back brake line is SHOT!!!


Elkhorn swap meet is also next weekend so keep that in mind for Sunday morning  ;D ;D ;D

Awwwww... I wanted to see both! and Goodie! Swap Meet! I hope to leave by noon so it will have to be early...

8+ hour drive home for the Cookieboy
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78squirewagon

It will only be "Stormy" at Gus's. I got the "White Stallion" running today (more on that in a later post) but found that the back brake line is SHOT!!! If I would not have been out of town, chances are that both wagons would have been there but I just got home yesterday so there is now way to get things fixed before next weekend.
Elkhorn swap meet is also next weekend so keep that in mind for Sunday morning  ;D ;D ;D
To the rest of you, it will be a GREAT time but we all know that's it's the busy time of the year and gas is $$$$ We will take lots of pictures of people just looking  ;D ;D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Cookieboystoys

well looks like it's just me, you and "the losers" 78squirewagon, I still have the one room for me, kid isn't coming and I cancelled the second room.

Looking at the extended forcast... looks clear and sunny for Saturday night at Gus's... should be a blast!

Plan is still the same... I'll leave here late Friday and roll into town early to mid-day on Saturday. I may be meeting up with dangerusdug on the way for a quick chat/coffee but otherwise I'll be there as early as I can  ;D

I'll be at 2 different car shows in Grand Rapids, MN this weekend and East Troy, WI the next... gotta love summer
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

last chance....

I need to cancel the 2nd room this week I have on reserve in case any others wanted to join the fun.

Mark and I are still a go for the 2nd... anyone else?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Only 22 days left for the Great! Wisconsin Get Together!

August 2nd - East Troy, Wisconsin - Gus's Drive-In

well... maybe not so great anymore.... dmsteen and dangerusdug have both cancelled due other circumstances. That leaves 78squirewagon and me as the only commited members. I still plan to go as I stated this because I wanted to meet Mark (78squirewagon), his Pinto's! and the members of his car club...

Since dangerusdug was the main reason for the hotel reservations I will cancel them if no one else speaks up to say they are coming and want to split the cost... I have a conversion van with bed in the back (I will trailer the Pinto) so I don't "need" a room but willing to split the cost if others are willing...

Rooms will be canceled July 25th if no one speaks up... 14 days left to speak up...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Only 32 days left for the Great! Wisconsin Get Together!

** Update

Mark and Doug, I emailed Dave (dmsteen) and he will not be able to make it. He did have other plans for the weekend of the 2nd and is unable to cancel. To bad they didn't have any room at the inns for the 9th, the only weekend we all had free...

Anyhow, this will change my plans a bit... Friday night I was going to drive to the Twin Cities and Saturday Dave and I would have started early for La Crosse to meet up with Doug and then continue on to East Troy...

Now I would guess Friday night I will head into Wisconsin and south... La Crosse is about a 6 hour drive for me as the crow flies... Since I will not be able to leave until 6pm or so I will most likely get as many miles driven, stop for the night, get up early to continue south to meet up with Doug someplace along the route to East Troy if not in La Crosse... final plans will be decided as the time gets closer...

I'm still working on Pintony and trying to get him to come up... Google says 307 mi – about 4 hours 56 mins - So I hope I can talk him into coming up Saturday morning and spend the night Saturday with the rest of us.

I still have the 2 - "King" rooms rented/reserved for the 2nd of August. That's 1 King bed in a separate room with a door for privacy and a pull-out couch in the reception area of the room. Should be plenty for 4. Right now the plans are for me and Doug to split a non-smoking room and the other (a smoking room) is on reserve for any that want to join the fun and will need a room for the night. I have until July 25th to cancel the reservation if it's not needed. I'm a "smoker" so I can switch rooms as needed to accommodate any that want to come join the fun and need a room..

Rooms are hard to get in the area and expensive ($200 a night = ouch) so if not needed I will cancel the second room. If Tony is convinced to come I know he will want one...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

the BIG! 3 are over and about 40 days till the Great! Wisconsin get together...

start the planning now... last chance for us northern folk before the kids go back to school and we have to get ready for the "fluffy white stuff"....

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

Pictures look GREAT!!! and I am so looking forward to this. I hope we can convince a few others to join the fun!

if only there were a drive-in movie close by we could go to once it get's dark  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78squirewagon

Here are some pictures from Gus's Diner in East Troy. These were taken just before 5pm so you can see that it's get's pretty busy. By 9pm, it clears out for the most part

http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/78pinto/?start=all

http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/78pinto/
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

78squirewagon

I am just letting everyone know that Gus's is excited to know that we are coming. I explained that we wanted to do a "mini meet" there and they thought it was pretty cool.
If we are there by 4pm, we should have no problems parking together in the main lot. We can always park across the street in the field which is OK if we get there later. By 5pm tonight, it was pretty packed in.
For those of you that are bringing trailers, you can leave the cars on the back if you want because there is enough room in the field to park a trailer.
As far as other things to do in East Troy, well, they pretty much shut the town down after dark LOL!!! The cruise night goes until 9pm or so but I am sure by then you will be pretty tired.
I will post some pictures tomorrow
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: dmsteen on May 20, 2008, 08:49:23 PM
if we could have made it july 19 jimmy buffett is there at alpine valley,that would have been a blast

no doubt!

if the rooms were easier to come by and cheaper...

I didn't live a days drive away and took more time off...

I could stay extra time and enjoy the area a bit more...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dmsteen

if we could have made it july 19 jimmy buffett is there at alpine valley,that would have been a blast

78squirewagon

hush your thought... I need 7 days to cancel them rooms if not needed and at $360 for both...

That's what they have a 10 day forcast for  ;D  But it's not going to rain. It will be hotter than hell (even in WI) but NO RAIN.
I will see if I can talk to the people at Gus's on Saturday and go from there. If we have to, we can always drive across a few countys to Georgie Porgies. I know there is PLENTY of room there.
Come on all of you Midwestern people, jump on boad for this. It will be fun :D
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 78squirewagon on May 19, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
The big thing will be the weather. If there is a forcast of rain, well that will certainly change things because no one will be at Gus's.
we can still go but there will not be a DJ or any other cars  ;D I think  a back up plan would be the WI State Fair or having a rain date in September (mid)

hush your thought... I need 7 days to cancel them rooms if not needed and at $360 for both...

No Rain Allowed!!  ;D

If the plan works out as it stands... dmsteen and I will have to leave Woodbury, MN early Saturday morning it's 5+ hours to East Troy driving straight thru... If we detour thru La Cross WI to meet dangerusdug it will add 1 hour to our trip for 6+ hours.. I can only hope we are there by 2-3pm...

then there is always the possibility I could get to Woodbury early enough on Friday we could leave Friday night for La Cross, spend the night and then it would only be 3.5 hours to East Troy... Hmmmm....

If we actually get a bunch of people to show up letting Gus's know we are coming would be a good idea, I'll let you talk to them and see what they think we should do. If it turns out to be just a couple of us with Pinto's make it I doubt a big deal needs to be made.



It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78squirewagon

I know that it's first come, first serve so we would all need to be there by 3pm if the weather is nice. I can ask about reserving a spot for us but I am not sure if they will do that. I will check this Saturday when we go down. If they open the field across the road from the Diner, we will have plenty of space. I know the DJ very well and I am sure he will make a big deal about all of the Pinto's being there. I bought mine from his dad :)

There's not a lot to do in East Troy but we can take a few of the back roads and have some fun. Like I had mentioned before, if people can stay a little later on Sunday, we can cruise down to Volo. It's all back roads to get there from East Troy. It's just a thought but would be fun plus I am sure I can get us a car club rate

As far as the Losers Car Club, they are looking forward to seeing more than just my wagon  :lol: After you talk to a few of them, you can understand why I enjoy being a part of the group.

I will try and get a few things planned out. The big thing will be the weather. If there is a forcast of rain, well that will certainly change things because no one will be at Gus's.
we can still go but there will not be a DJ or any other cars  ;D I think  a back up plan would be the WI State Fair or having a rain date in September (mid)

I am really looking forward to meeting those of you who come along. I am going to start promoting the mini meet and who knows, maybe I can get my friends at FM*106.1 (www.fm106.com) to talk a little bit about it on the air. I am sure Greg over at WOKY (www.mighty92.com) will say something. Plus we might get TV coverage from a couple of local stations
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 78squirewagon on May 19, 2008, 05:58:44 AM
a HUGE THANK YOU goes out to Brian for getting this together. It will be a lot of fun

I wanted to come anyway... why not bring friends   ;D  and make new ones   ;D

Hey Mark, Are you going to tell the "Losers" we will be there? If any want to join the fun feel free to invite them.

I can call for reservations at Gus's and will if you want me to as you suggested but.. if you already know the lay of the land and the natives so to speak... could you do that?

Is the reservation so we will be up close to the building? and will we get trapped by other cars and have to stay if we do?

I was kind of hoping a cruise around the area will be required at some point... suggestions on sites we could go see?

I hope you don't mind if you end up answering a few questions because you're from the area...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

78squirewagon

You know I will be there. I was talking about this at an all Ford yesterday and it got peoples attention. On guy may be going out to find a Pinto and join us so it will be fun. For those of you that want to get to Milwaukee EARLY on Saturday morning, we can hit the WI State Fair and then head down to Gus's from here. For those that want to stay in town a little later on Sunday, perhaps we can drive down to the Volo Auto Museum (www.volocars.com)
Either way, a HUGE THANK YOU goes out to Brian for getting this together. It will be a lot of fun
1978 Squire wagon,red, 69000 and counting original miles

1978 Hatchback, red (built four days after  the Squire)

Cookieboystoys

When : Saturday August 2nd, 2008

Where : East Troy, Wisconsin - close to Milwaukee

What : A Pinto Gathering at Gus's Drive-In

Why : This all started because I have a desire to go to Milwaukee and get together with 78squirewagon and hopefully meet some of the members of the Loser's Car Club ( http://www.loserscarclub.com/ ) that he belongs to. I made a video for them last year ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVPAl40EeHU ) and thought it would be a cool adventure. Last year was Tulsa, this year it's East Troy, Wisconsin.

Anyhow I have invited dangerusdug and dmsteen for the cruise and adventure and they are up to the task. How about you!

I plan to leave Hibbing, MN on Friday and meet up with dmsteen in Woodbury, MN. We are then planning to leave early Saturday morning for La Cross, WI and pickup Dangerusdug and then we'll travel together for the final leg to East Troy, WI where 78squirewagon will meet up with us. While in East Troy the plan for Saturday night is to hang out at Gus's (  http://www.gussdrivein.com/ ) for their Saturday Night Cruise Night! This looks like fun!

The only problem we found during the planning stages... rooms at the Inn are very hard to get. Seems the area has few hotels and many events during the summer that draw crowds from far away... After spending some time on the phone with the kind folks at the County Inn Suites in East Troy we picked the 2nd because any other weekend and all the rooms were reserved. When I called they had 5 King non-smoking and 3 King smoking rooms available. Each King room has a king size bed and a pull out twin, I put one of each on reserve. Dmsteen and 78squirewagon have places close by to stay but Dangerusdug and I needed a place to stay. We are willing to bunk up to save cost but I wanted to make sure we had at least one more room in case anyone wants to join the fun. Room cost is well.... $180.00 a night and $10.00 each additional adult after the first 2. Ouch! I checked and found more expensive, seems to be the going rate for this time of the year for that area.

So now here's your chance if you live up here in the mid-north, great lakes area to get together with other Pinto-Nut's to share stories, adventures, fun and lies. We have more than 2 month's to go so if you're interested speak up and let us know. I know the rooms are expensive, gas prices are high and all that but can we really put a price on fun and adventure?

and finally.... Pinto's not required! Any condition welcome, only requirement is you... a fellow Pinto Nut! and a desire to have a little fun!
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!