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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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FCANON

Sorry but the axles dont swap...they have a odd tappered small bearring.
If I had a MustangII or Pinto 8 inch to spare I would swap you.

Frank
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FCANON

that maverikc rear end is the one I been looking for...offered on early 71-73 Mav's and Comets with a 200 and automatic. the 8 inch rear is a 4.5 x 4 lug like the Falcons,Mustangs and Comets of the 60's. the Mustang II/Pinto axles dont fit the rear ends at all.

Not many Mav's in Oklahoma salvage yards....

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Pintony

Well Doug...
I thought there was a part in this conversation that said that the mav rear was 4 on 4.5  but I could not find it.
The only rears that have the factory 4 on 4.25 bolt circle are the M2 and Pinto V6..
If you are really slick and steady handed AND you are using old school MAG wheels you could elongate the bolt holes on the wheels or try some different axel combos.
From pintony

dholvrsn

I got my Maverick axle home and discovered that the bolt circle is about 1/4" bigger than my Pinto bolt circle. What's up with that? What now?
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77turbopinto

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dholvrsn

I guess that I have to resign myself to a bit of measuring and cutting when I get both axles dropped.

Vaguely annoyed that the wagon that I got is one of the rare ones without the 8" rear and had the wimpy 6.75" one instead.
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77turbopinto

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What are the dimensions of the holes and how critical is the precision? Are they something that I can torch out or do I need to measure twice and then carefully drill and dremell?

It is critical that the holes are the correct size and location so that the rear is installed where it needs to be, otherwize the rear will be too far forward, to the rear, or sideways. Some aftermarket springs have the pin in the wrong location anyway, so you can use this as a way to re-center your axle.

Not something I would do with a torch.

As for the size, they are the same as what is on your Pinto axle. I don't remember the size drill I used.

I used a hole saw, drilled two holes with it and used a cut-off to join the two, and some work with a file....

You can just drill one small hole and use the Mav. shock plate if you wanted.

Bill
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77turbopinto

Here is what I did to make the Stang and Mav. rears fit.

Bill
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77turbopinto

Quote from: Pintony on May 19, 2006, 09:56:22 PM

NOTE!
Number 3 is in-correct.
The rubber perch is perfect for the early Pinto!!!! ;D
From Pintony

Tony: I was talking about the MAVERICK rear not being set up for the rubber block assy.

Bill
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77turbopinto

I added info to my last post.

Bill
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Pintony

Quote from: 77turbopinto on May 19, 2006, 10:22:51 AM
Maverick 8" rear axle info (later years at least):

1) They are 5 lug, 4.5".

2) They are about .5" narrower overall than the Pinto 8" rear (drum to drum).

3) The perches are not set-up to use the rubber/block assy.s.

4) Like the 67/68 Mustang ones, the perches are narrower and the outside edge of the them are about the same distance apart as the Pinto perches (45"), on-center they are different.

5) The bearing retainer plates on the Mav. are the same as the ones on the 67/68 Mustang. (My plan was to put the shafts in a Pinto rear, but I would have to pull the bearings off the shafts to switch the retainer plates, so I just re-worked the perches like I did on the 67/68 rear to install it. I also have a pair of .25 wheel spacers to put it at the stock pinto track width)

6) The tubes do not taper, they are 3". You will have to use the Mav. shock plates and bolts, or slot the holes in the Pinto blocks and plates (like I did).

7) They take  different axle seals.

8) Hope this helps.


Bill




NOTE!
Number 3 is in-correct.
The rubber perch is perfect for the early Pinto!!!! ;D
From Pintony

77turbopinto

Maverick 5 lug 8" rear axle info:

1) The 5 lug ones are 5 on 4.5" and were on ALL 1973 and later Mavericks. The earlier ones had a 4 lug as well, but it is not the same lug pattern as a Pinto (4 on 4.5").

2) They are about .5" narrower overall than the Pinto 8" rear (ABOUT 56.5" drum to drum). IF the shafts are installed in a Pinto housing, they will engage the splines .25" less for each side; This is something to think about BEFORE doing. I have a pair of .25 wheel spacers to put it at the stock pinto track width.

3) The perches are not set-up to use the rubber/block assy.s.

4) Like the 67/68 Mustang ones (and others), the perches are narrower, and have a different O/C measurement, but the outside edge of the them are about the same distance apart as the Pinto perches (about 45").

5) The bearing retainer plates on the Mav. are the same as the ones on the 67/68 Mustang, but NOT the same as the 8" Pinto ones. My plan was to put the shafts in a Pinto rear, but I would have to pull the bearings off the shafts to switch the retainer plates, and along with the spline isssue, I just re-worked the perches like I did on the 67/68 rear to install it.

6) The tubes do not taper, they are 2.75" to the brake plate. You will have to use the Mav. shock plates and bolts (if you do this I think it will make the install very easy, but you will lift the rear of the car), or slot the holes in the Pinto blocks and plates; I slotted mine to run the M-II rear sway bar mount shock plates.

7) They take the same axle seals (two parts places told me otherwise, but they were the same as the 68-73 Mustang and the Pinto 8" rears).

8) They need drums and wheels with the BIG center hole. The drums from my 68 stang rear would not fit (good thing the Mav. ones were in good shape, as a matter of fact they had more meat on them). They need rims with the 2.75" center hole, the same size as what is needed to go on a Granada rotor.

9) I will post more if I find any more details.

10) Link to photo of what I did to modify the Maverick perches: http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,953.msg31360.html#msg31360

11) Hope this helps.


Bill

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PaulHolcomb

Quote from: turbopinto72 on October 14, 2004, 03:18:49 PM
You can use the Rear disc brakes from an Explorer. They work great.
Do you have any information on how much work is involved in doing this swap?  I could really use some fast info on this as this would help me in the next 2 weeks before racing season starts.  Please email me at HolcombRacing@yahoo.com .  ThANKS

77turbopinto

Some more info for those looking for a 5 lug 8":

The 65/66 mustangs with a v8 had the 8" rear, but it is narrower from drum face to drum face than the later 67/68 stangs (two or three inches, I do not have the exact dimentions, but they are much closer to a pinto rear). The rear in my car is about 59". The 65/66 ones are easy to pick out of a crowd, as the housing tubes taper near the ends (like the 23 spline pinto 6.75", pre-79), but all of them 65-68 have the same perch widths and size.  The tubes on the 65/66 have the same diameter as the pinto ones. These are not a bolt-in for a pinto, but they are not too hard to install. I have one (full assy) from a 68 in my pinto. The outisde to outside edges of the perches are about the same as for the pinto. I slotted the perches (off-center to the perch itself) to match the perches (on center) for the pinto. I then welded a 4inch piece of .5 rod to both inside edges of the perches to give it more support. I also had to open the holes on the mount brackets and use the u-bolts (1" longer than stock, I got them from Mustangs Unlimited) from the 68. I have stock 14" x 6 ford steel wheels with a 4" backspacing on the rear now, and have no issues with rubbing. I will admit it looks strange from the rear, but the rear sway bar gets you attention off of it.

I want to get a pair of 14" x 7 (5.5" B/S. custom made) race rims that will help the "look". I then want to cut the bead area off of a set of stock 13 inchers, and weld the hoop to the 14 inch wheels. Then a set of stock hub-caps will pop right on for the sleeper look.

I will get some pics as soon as I can.

Bill
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osiyo59

I'm picking up a 76 runabout in a couple days and have plans to do a late model turbo swap with a 5speed. I want to run the 8" and this was very good info. Thanks for sharing. I just hope the car already has the 8" in it!
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78pinto

yes, shiney=good   i got my forged H beam rods today, and they are shiney!
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kris kincaid

Did a little search, and now I understand.  :D 
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turbopinto72

Quote from: kris kincaid on November 23, 2004, 08:33:31 PM
Nothing shiny on my car Brad. ???
Hummm, you do know about ( shiny=good) ???;D Please refer to the countless posts on this topic. Its kind of a matra we like to say.
Brad F
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kris kincaid

Nothing shiny on my car Brad.  ???
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turbopinto72

Kris, I called my sources and they admitted to having to weld on the large, 9" axle flanges to do the explorer swap. Sory to all for any confusion, and thanks to Kris for bringing to our attention. Now, that being said, I want to know if Kris has anything " Shiney" on his car.................. ;D
Brad F
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1973, Pangra
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kris kincaid

Brad,

According to the April '99 issue of Hot Rod in which Joe Morgans Pinto was featured;

"Disc brakes were scavenged from an '88 Turbo Coupe and bolted to the Pinto 8-inch axle. Currie Enterprises offers a bolt-on adapter that mates a T-bird caliper adapter to the axle end"

Is this no longer accurate? Has Joe changed his setup?

Here is the link for that article:
http://www.mustangandfords.com/howto/28733/

Edit: the forum software is screwing with the link, try mustangandfords.com/howto/28733/ , but add "www" to the beginning

Quote from: turbopinto72 on November 23, 2004, 10:51:45 AM
Thats a bad link. BTW there have been several people that have used exploror brakes on their 8" rearends that I know. One of them is Joe Morgan.

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turbopinto72

Thats a bad link. BTW there have been several people that have used exploror brakes on their 8" rearends that I know. One of them is Joe Morgan.
Brad F
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1972, Pangra
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kris kincaid

I was discussing this issue with a Currie rep, and he says the Explorer brakes will not fit the 8". I found the following artical that explains:

http://www.mustangandfords.com/howto/28733/

"According to Currie, this kit will be a direct bolt-on to rearends from ’73â€"’79 big passenger cars and ’77â€"’86 pickup trucks. "

I think I am going to try and figure out how to use them on an 8". Probably figure out what ends to use and weld them on.  :-\


Quote from: turbopinto72 on October 14, 2004, 03:18:49 PM
You can use the Rear disc brakes from an Explorer. They work great.
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dick1172762

Thank you! Saves me lots of work. I knew the brake shoes were the same. Thanks again, Tricky Dick.
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CHEAPRACER

Yup, I used all my stock brake parts when I swaped an 8 inch. in fact, I never disconnected my brakes from the car, just layed them aside.   
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dick1172762

Will the rear brakes from a 6 3/4" rear end fit a 8" mustang 2 rear end? They look the same. Drums look the same. My 8" brakes are junk, but the 6 3/4 look like new. Help me out.
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kris kincaid

I thought the Exploder rear brakes would only fit on the "Torino/Galaxie" big bearing 9" rear ends?? I had planned on just welding on the big bearing ends, but if they fit on an 8" as is, thats great!

Quote from: turbopinto72 on October 14, 2004, 03:18:49 PM
You can use the Rear disc brakes from an Explorer. They work great.
ganar dinero a espuertas

78pinto

yes they will work with no problems.
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hoots

I picked up a housing and axles from a 78 MII, (not a posi) and a limited slip posi third member from a different MII. Will the axles from the non-posi rearend work with the posi third member?