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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dave1987

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

tinkerman73

Alright. Thanks. Sound like a no go!
Jody Michielsen

oldkayaker

tinkerman73, I believe 1979 was the first year of the FOX chassis Mustang.  If correct, it has a 4 link suspension with integral carrier rear.  It will take some cutting and welding to get it to fit into the Pinto.  It also is not the stronger 8.8" rear that came in the later FOX Mustangs (first in about 1986).

Not sure what transmission it came with but it is not the World Class version of the T-5 which came out in the mid 1980's.  The drive shaft may be useable but measurements would need to be take of your final combination to be sure
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

tinkerman73

Alright, as I read through here, I read that the mustang 2 rear ends are best to use. I see a difference from them to the 80's model. But I dont recall seeing anything about a 1979 Cobra mustang rear end. I see it has a 4 bolt pattern. Would they typically be a 8" and would they bolt up or need minor mods. If any one knows, let me know. I know someone that has a 79 cobra in bad shape. Once I start getting pay checks, I might be able to buy it cheaply. Also, what are the typical trannies in these and would the drive shaft be of any use? Thank you.
Jody Michielsen

71pintoracer

I used an 8" from a '67-'68 mustang and traded a guy the 5 lug axle's for 4 lug from a 6 cyl Maverick.
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

Jippah

Quote from: Pintony on May 03, 2007, 08:58:32 AM
Hello jim,
I think it would be easyer to just get a 1971 Maverick rear.
From Pintony

that's the only option i have out here  :'(
check it out http://www.fordpinto.com/index.php/topic,17673.msg113519.html#msg113519

however, I'm the exact opposite of what most people here want... i want to keep my 4x4.25 pattern! its not fair that I'm stuck with what u guys want (72 Maverick 8") and you are all stuck with what i want (MustangII and V6 pinto 8")

sigh... such is life i spose lol
anyone want to ship a mustangII/V6 Pinto 8" to Oahu? surely it will be cheaper than the $300 the idiot at the junkyard here wants for the maverick 8"
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russosborne

Bringing this back from the dead :-), going from the Pinto 6and3/4 to a Mustang II 8 inch rear. Are the U-joints the same?
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wedge446

If the pinto 8" is 57" is the measurement from the pinion gear centerline 28.5" to both sides?
Is the drive shaft yoke centered on the axle or off set?
With a cutting torch and welded anything will fit.

77turbopinto

Quote from: apintonut on December 02, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
what about using a ranger / explorer / aerostar 8.8.   i have a locker for one and they are a dime a dozen. some are already posi.  any thoughts on this? has it been tried?

Maybe, but this thread is about 8" rears.

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77turbopinto

You CAN keep the 6.75" rear behind a 460 if you want, and if you go VERY easy on it you won't have any issues. That being said, the one in my wife's car was SHOT behind the stock 2.3 at 64K.

If you keep the engine stock and/or DON'T beat on it, it should last.

If the 6.75" does go, DON'T have it fixed ($300.+), just replace it ($50. or less), or get an 8" to put in it ($50.-$150. depending on the gears).

Bill
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Srt

Quote from: srt on May 15, 2007, 02:54:55 AM
in my own personal opinion;  the OE rear end is fine for use with a 2.0 unless you are going to drag race the thing.  drawbacks?  you are limited to the gear ratios that are available and to tire/wheel size(s). 

BUT, now that I've seen what Pintony has on his green '72 maybe the wheel /tire issue just went away !!  Looks nice P
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Srt

in my own personal opinion;  the OE rear end is fine for use with a 2.0 unless you are going to drag race the thing.  drawbacks?  you are limited to the gear ratios that are available and to tire/wheel size(s). 
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

osiyo59

Ok, So I have read this post through at least 5 times. What I would like to know is if there is any application where the stock 6 3/4 rear is good enough to run. In my squire I have a stock 2.0 but I am backing iit up with a t5 and I am trying to figure out whether I should moveup to the 8" or not. I have only been able to find one ocally and of course it is a 5lug and I was not planning on going that route with this one. Any thoughts...Bill...Tony...Brad?


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hellfirejim

Thank you to all the replies.  I appreciate the time involved. After reading all the posts and thinking about it, I believe I will go with the Moser package. :read:  Bob I will be e-mailing you for details.

I also remember reading that Ranger 5 lug 10" brake drums would fit the 5 lug. I will see if I can find it.  I don't know if I will go with drums or swap to disc brakes.   :lost:

Anyway the axles solve this issue so on with the next one.  BTW: my Pinto comes home at the end of the month.  I now own 1/2 of it but not sure which half.
jim
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Hairball

Around 15 years ago I built a V8 Pinto. I used an 5 lug 8 inch rear out of a Maverick. I threw away the steel an rubber spring perch and used a torch to widen the holes for a 3 inch u-bolt.
After blowing up the 8 inch (N.O.S., 302, 4 speed top loader), I used an 9 inch Lincoln Versailles rear. It fit perfectly and was bulletproof.
Fastforward to now.
I have an 1980 CW that has a V6 and is mint. I want to use 5 lug Torque Thrusts.
I got 5 lug rotors ($29.95 each) and 2 inch dropped spindles ($169.95) from Speedway Motors.
My friend gave me an 9 inch Versailles rear.After some thought of all the work to install plus the price of calipers and rotors, I reconsidered.
I thought about a Ranger rear. Then it dawned on me. I called Moser, and for $60.00 they will drill my axles to the 5 lug pattern.So as soon as I find some 8 inch pinto axles, I will send them to get drilled, then use a transfer punch to mark and drill the drums. I want to keep my stock 4 lug axles in case I ever want to switch back???
I will keep you informed on the outcome and will put up a pic.

Dave
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bob55

Jim,

If you're going to aftermarket axles anyway, Moser has the complete package:  axles, bearings, retainer plates, studs, etc.  Just got mine, very, very pleased with what they sent!  If you want details please feel free to email me at bob_10@comcast.net.
In a quandry......

77turbopinto

Quote from: turbowagonman on May 03, 2007, 06:05:58 PM
Can't you just use the Axels from the '71' and later Maverics? Or will they not fit?

turbowagonman
Please read my post dated Nov 8 of last year in this thread.


HFJ: I think the axles are beefy enough for 400HP+ Pinto. If anything, I think you would have gear issues first. (based on what others that I know using those rears)

Bill
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turbowagonman

Quote from: 77turbopinto on May 03, 2007, 10:48:17 AM
I have to agree, all you need is a pair of .25" spacers and slight modification to the perches and you are done.

I think all 71 and later ones are the same.

Bill

Can't you just use the Axels from the '71' and later Maverics? Or will they not fit?

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77turbopinto

Quote from: Pintony on May 03, 2007, 08:58:32 AM
Hello jim,
I think it would be easyer to just get a 1971 Maverick rear.
From Pintony




I have to agree, all you need is a pair of .25" spacers and slight modification to the perches and you are done.

I think all 71 and later ones are the same.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Hello jim,
I think it would be easyer to just get a 1971 Maverick rear.
From Pintony



Quote from: HELLFIREJIM on May 03, 2007, 08:38:24 AM
I have a MII 8" 4 lug rear and want to go to 5 lug axles.  Since this will be a turbo 2300 I am planning to put in aftermarket axles.

Now the questions to make sure I understand correctly.

Do I need to change the bearing retainer plate?
What is the best brake drum to use?
The internal componets to the brakes are the same, yes?
Can I use the same backing plates.

Obviously this is not a high dollar car so i have to watch my pennies but I want to make sure the brakes are right and safe.

Thanks for any help for this newbie at this 8" rear stuff.

jim

hellfirejim

I have a MII 8" 4 lug rear and want to go to 5 lug axles.  Since this will be a turbo 2300 I am planning to put in aftermarket axles.

Now the questions to make sure I understand correctly.

Do I need to change the bearing retainer plate?
What is the best brake drum to use?
The internal componets to the brakes are the same, yes?
Can I use the same backing plates.

Obviously this is not a high dollar car so i have to watch my pennies but I want to make sure the brakes are right and safe.

Thanks for any help for this newbie at this 8" rear stuff.

jim
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PCCA Pinto Number #385


WagonNut

Hey turbopinto72,

Thanks for the great info on these axles. I like many others am looking to convert to a 5 lug rear. I want to retain my Pinto rear and chang out the axle shafts. I know how to do this with Granada axles as it has been well documented. I have given up searching for Granada axles and have found a set of 66 Mustang axles. I read your post about the differences in the Pinto axle shafts from the 66 Mustang.

The bearings are the same but the retainers are different. I should be able to correct this by pressing off the bearings and using the Pinto retainers on the 66 axles.

The axle length of the 66 is about 1/4 inch too long. I would like to cut the 1/4 inch or so off the ends of the 66 axles and re-chanfer them.

The 66 axles are thicker in the middle. Will this prevent me from swapping them?

I would use the stock backing plates and brakes, but would look for 9" 5-lug drums.  I have the axles coming and am willing to experiment to make this work. I know it would be easier just to re-drill the axle shafts and drums to 5 lug, but I'm not comfortable with doing that.

Any thoughts that you (or others) have on this would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Kevin.

bob55

Hi all, has anyone had success buying aftermarket 5 lug axles for the Pinto/MII 8"?  I called Currie, their rep said "No way their axles would work", even if I used the original (smaller) retaining plates.

Any ideas short of having the standard small bearing ends welded onto the housing?  Has anyone else run into this?
In a quandry......

dholvrsn

I have the axles sitting on the springs and snugged down. Boy, it was a pain to get every thing back together and aligned! Now I'm ready to tighten it down and would love to know the torque specs for the U-bolts and the shackles, please! Thanks!
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dholvrsn

I got the new U-bolts. The axle swap will start on my next days off. Now many foot-pounds do I torque them down too?
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douglasskemp

Any good auto parts store or 4x4 shop should be able to get you u-bolts.  Just get the three dimensions you need:  length, diameter of the axle, and diameter of the bolt.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

dholvrsn

I got the studs redrilled for the smaller bolt circle now. I am waiting on the parts store to get the seals in. Now where is a good place to get new U-bolts to clamp the axle down?

BTW, IIRC, 6-3/4 backing plates don't fit on 8" axles do they? Although I may swap the finned drums across.
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mini9r

What year of explorer?

Quote from: turbopinto72 on October 14, 2004, 03:18:49 PM
You can use the Rear disc brakes from an Explorer. They work great.

77turbopinto

I was tempted to put the Maverick axles in the Pinto 8" housing (mine had the same bearings). It looks like it would "work", BUT, the axles are 1/4" shorter (each), so 20%-ish less contact in the splines. Also, the retainer plates would need to changed, so new bearings are in order for that. It was easy just to modify the perches and install spacers behind the wheels.

A machine shop might be able to drill those for you too, I just don't know how much room the flanges have for the new hole pattern.

Bill

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dholvrsn

Is there a Maverick group similar to this group where I can ask about an axle trade?

Am seriously toying with the idea of drilling a new bolt circle in the Maverick flanges.

Did redrill some Studebaker Hawk hubs to take '50s Cadillac sabre wheels and that was a true pain.
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