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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

I GOT THE RACE OUT!!! After soaking & soaking the pilot bearing race in PB Blaster I was able to keep chiseling until it came loose. I got it out in two pieces but it came out in about 15 minutes after I drained the blaster out of the end of the crankshaft. Blaster... The miracle cure for what is frozen.

If all goes according to plan I will be reinstalling the bottom end and get this thing back on to the road to recovery.

NExt step, tranny install.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, the remaing part of the pilot bearing seems froze in the end of the crankshaft. The cage & needle bearings are long gone, but the race is still stuck in there. I might have to take the crank to a machine shop to have them take care of it, or have the old crank turned since it was grooved.

More to come soon
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

Yes...been there, done that, on the seat thing.   Good luck, you'll find just the right ones, I'm sure.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

r4pinto

Well, the project has taken yet another turn. Instead of all black interior with an unknown exterior color I have decided to go with a blue exterior & a combo blue and black interior.

My reasoning for this is because my seats are junk & can't find any I like in black. I also have blue door panels for the car already that I was going to paint black but will now stay blue. The Tempos & Topaz's have a nice comfortable seat so I am going to go with that. I hope to get a power seat from a Topaz as those are really nice. Pretty much the seats, rear side panels, door panels, arm rests, headliner, and carpet will be blue, and the console, dashboard, and rear deck will be black. I got the image in my mind and I like what I see. It will be unique and at the same time I won't have to worry about finding black seats.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I'm thinking I might give it another go today after I get off work. Worse case I'll have to pay to get what is left out.

One thing I am trying is letting it soak in blaster for a few hours. I went ahead and filled the end up with the stuff and am letting it soak while I am working today. It couldn't hurt.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

I've been there too!  I had a hell of a time pulling the pilot bearing when I put the motor in my CW.  I tried everything but the correct tool to get that stupid thing out.  I finally took a sharp cold chissel to it and a couple hours later it was out.  Needless to say I was not happy as it was about 20 degree's outside and that task took the majority of the day.  Before I replaced the clutch in my 79 wagon, I went to harbor freight and bought their pilot bearing tool.  3 minutes and the bearing was out.  It was the best $30 I spent that year!  Try the cold chissel and see if that will loosen it.  You can do it Matt!
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

Well, I am now a bit calmer & in the process of tracking down a radiator for the car. Tomorrow I plan on calling around to see where I can take the crankshaft to so I can get the pilot bushing, or what is left of it out of the crank. If I can't get it out I will have to get another crank. This one had only 80k miles on it so I'll end up looking for another low milage crank or just breaking down & buying a remanned crank.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The car might not last much longer. If it could go wrong after the door it did. I am one step away from saying the hell with the car and calling a tow truck to have the piece of junk towed away  >:( At one point I got mad enough that I threw my jack handle into the garage & it bounced off the radiator. I now need a new radiator. Got the crank out of the engine to find that the pilot bearing race is stuck in the end of the crankshaft. I have about had it with this car & if I quit I will junk it & never mess with another pinto again.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

hellfirejim

The only way from losing your mind on these long term projects is to just take it one job at a time.  You have already proven that you can do it.  is it furstrating??? oh hell yes and i like the part where you feel you have been working on a part for a year and it still needs work.  have faith as all of a sudden you will see positive results.  when you finish this car you are going to be proud of the car and yourself for seeing it through.

jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


r4pinto

I got the front of the engine torn back apart. After I take a break I'm gonna get the car up the driveway & pull the crank so I can get the pilot bushing out of the end. While it's out I'm gonna rechange the rear main seal just to make sure it's good.

Things are really turning around for this car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got the lower door hinge replaced and the door opens & closes perfectly. I am happy about that. Now I am going to get the front of the engine taken back apart so I can get the crank pulled back out of the engine.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well,

today I planned on getting quite a bit done to my car. Fix the door hinge, pull the front of the engine & crank off. Knock out the pilot bushing, get the crank back in & also install the flexplate.

Well, nothing went to plan. I spent all day messing with the stupid door hinges. I bought two kits that both went to the upper hinge after I messed up the first pin on a bent hinge. Tomorrow I hope to get another hinge pin kit so I can rebuild the bottom hinge Gerhard sold me last year. Then I can get the door to close properly & get to work on the bottom end of the engine. Hopefully I can get all that done tomorrow.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

Quote from: r4pinto on April 02, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
I know Gerhard.. It's just frustrating. I try to fix one thing for something else to go wrong. I so hope I don't need to pull the dash. I hear it is virtually impossible



Back in high school I was where you were at with my 67 Mustang.  I was in a wreck that took out the majority of the perfect original parts of the car.  Next week my parents started their divorce.  I decided to focus on the car to keep my mind off my parents divorce.  The car however, decided to fall apart.  I would take one step forward and the next day the car would take me 3 steps back.  I was so frustrated after the third or fourth time that I almost sold it out of frustration.  Eventually the car started comply and things turned around.  I am so glad I didn't sell the car.  I have since gone thru this with a couple other cars.  A couple years ago, I spent what felt like a year under our explorer, trying to keep in on the road.  It seemed like every month I was doing a major repair on it.  Lately my crusing wagon has been nickel and diming me but I am slowing fixing all the little qwerks.  Unfortunately I think this is the nature of our hobby.  We are going to get into these ruts from time to time.  We just need to stick to it and fix one thing at a time.  Eventually you will get over the hump and be able to enjoy your car.  At that point you will be motivated to finish her. 
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73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

Great. That is not what I needed to hear. I might be having to replace the windshield rubber and headliner sooner than I wanted to. Both need done but I don't want to do it now. If I gotta do that I might just go ahead and get her running & driving and see if I can borrow part of the garage of a guy my Dad works with.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Not really too impossible, it's just A LOT of work. I pulled the dash from a 77 Bobcat at the junkyard to keep as a spare. The windshield had to be removed for access to the screws along the firewall at the base of the windshield. Then I dropped the steering column, removed the glove box insert, radio bezel, switches, gauges, vents and ducts, heater control panel, wiring harness clips, fuse panel, dash struts on each side, then removed the rest of the mounting hardware for the dash.

It took about 45 minutes to do, but I really didn't give any concern to the well being of the other parts that I didn't want. I will admit though, I did cut the harness in some places.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: r4pinto on April 02, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
I know Gerhard.. It's just frustrating. I try to fix one thing for something else to go wrong. I so hope I don't need to pull the dash. I hear it is virtually impossible


That is what seemed to happen to me with the Ghost!! If it wasn't one thing, then it was another, but not to that extreme! 

If I am correct in my assumption, you will need to pull the windshield to get to top dash bolts/screws.  The shield was already broken out of the parts pinto I stripped so I can't say for sure if it needs to be pulled, but I think it does?? Other then that, the rest was fairly easy. I did it myself with out hubby being around to help me.

If you do have to pull the windshield, I would defenitly buy a new rubber, and just cut the old one to get the shield out!!!! I broke my shield when I tried to pull it back out when I still had a leak. Course, I think the new rubber runs about 89 bucks, and a new shield cost me 100! LOL Not much of a difference! LOL I did lose my original shield though, but then again, I got rid of the scratches from the PO not having good wiperblades!! LOL

Good luck, and I hope you can get that part with maybe a combo of string and magnet!!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

I know Gerhard.. It's just frustrating. I try to fix one thing for something else to go wrong. I so hope I don't need to pull the dash. I hear it is virtually impossible
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

TIGGER

Don't give up on it Matt.  You can do it.  Just take one thing at a time.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

r4pinto

Funny thing, is the problems today started to occur after I decided that I was going to get the car ready to go to Carlisle this year. I am really starting to think the car does not want to go to Pennsylvania, let alone Carlisle.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Something like that. I removed the bottom one to see what was causing my problem and that's what it basically was. A bent over piece of metal to hold it so you can adjust the hinge. The bottom one is easily gotten to but not the top one so much.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Hmm. I wonder what DOES hold that in place. I'm guessing it is just a little shelf that it sits on that is folded on the other side, cradling the metal piece.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Well, I had a wire run to pull it back up, but ran into a small problem. I couldn't get the part to stay in place. Whatever holds that piece in place was getting in the way, so I couldn't position the place. That's why I think I might just have to remove the dash.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Hmm, perhaps you can gain access to a high power magnet to put against that panel and "guide" the plate back to where you need it. Would need to be a mighty powerful magnet though, as the panel between the magnet and the plate that fell is metal itself. :\
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

It's been a while since I posted on my car, but that is because it didn't make it to Carlisle last year. I had one problem after the other so I couldn't get it done. The last nail in the coffin was the pilot bushing stuck in the crankshaft.

Well, I have started to work on her again this year, with a little hope of going to Carlisle. The little hope is VERY LITTLE at this point but we'll see.

Anyways, I am in the process of replacing the driver door hinges since they got mangled last year, when disaster struck again.. I couldn't get the door lined up. No problem, I figure I'm going to have to remove the fender for easier access. Well, I got it off then found out the bolts on the door were not wanting to thread, so I took the hinges & door back off the car. I got the threads fixed & pushed the door on the striker bolt  and tried to line up the bolts. Well, the adjustable plate the bolts go into fell down into the side panel. I am now trying to figure out how to get it back up there without removing the door. I went ahead and put the lower hinge on & got the door on the car since it is going to rain, but I have to fix that one problem tomorrow after work. I hope I don't have to remove the dash to get the plate back in but if I do then I do.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Lol.. Yeah, I am but it's not because I want to. I am trying to get Harrold II back to Carlisle for the first time since 2006. The trip wasn't technically completed since the car died on the way home and I want to get the car done so I she can redeem herself. The flexplate arrived today, and had a rear brakehose rushed so I could get it installed before Carlisle. It arrived today after having it overnighted. The original one I ordered April 20 through another website was apparently out of stock and I found out when the money reappeared in the account. Not happy that I had to pay $40 to have the hose overnighted but I couldn't chance it.

The car is far from done being restored as the underside is a major disaster area. She needs a lot of work under there. It has more rust under there than my 85 Omni turbo did. I might just have to help you with your car. lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ADaughen

Man, you're flying on that rebuild.

You should stop by and get mine done.
I bet two weekends you could have it up and running.   ;D
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

r4pinto

I got the crankshaft & bearings swapped out today as well as the oil pump installed. It rotates nice & freely, and now I'm getting the rest of the engine reinstalled. I'm waiting for the flexplate to arrive then I can get the rest of the work done. If all goes according to plan the car will run wednesday night. If not then I WILL have her ready for Carlisle Thursday night. The only thing that will keep the car from Carlisle is another problem, but hopefully I'm done finding problems with the car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got the tranny out of the carand it turned out to be quite easy to be honest. I removed the flexplate since I'm going to be replacing the crankshaft & bearings & found out the ring gear teeth on the flexplate are more worn than I originally thought. I have a replacement on order, but it won't be in until tuesday. Since I have school on Tuesday that gives me wednesday & thrusday to get the transmission back in the car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Looking forward to meeting you, as well as anyone else that goes to Carlisle this year. I got the car's back end painted silver to match the rest of the car. It doesn't look perfect but is better than nothing. The tranny is just about out of the car. All I have left is to remove the bolts to the rear transmission mount then the transmission will be out of the car. I had to take a break since it's wuite warm out & I have not drank much water today.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Hey Matt!
After following your recent progress, I can't wait to meet you and see Harold II up close and in person!  Can't bring my Pinto this time, but am planning to make a day trip to Carlisle next Saturday.  Hoping to meet all the PCCA guys and the Lincoln guys I converse with regularly online... kind of put faces with the names.  See you there!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.