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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

Got the car's back half primered so there is no original color showing. Tomorrow I get paid so I'm gonna buy the silver paint to paint the back half to match the front half. Saturday & Sunday will be spent pulling the tranny, fixing the bottom end & installing the new tranny.

I also got the shift selector shaft seal in the mail today & it looks great. Really finished off the shifter nicely.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks. Yeah, "Most potential" in 2006, and that award is sitting next to the "Booster's Choice" trophy I got from a car show a couple months later. I have been counting down the days, and at this point I'll have the car running in just enough time to take her for a quick spin, and make sure nothing is gonna fall off.

This time the car has to make the complete trip to redeem herself. I might even make a stop at the gast station that the car died at in 2006.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: r4pinto on May 27, 2008, 02:28:14 PM
so by the end of the week the car will be all silver. It's not going to be a perfect job, just rattlecanned with duplicolor silver truck paint, but it will definitely look better than it does now.

so in 2006 it was the PCCA "Most Potential" award winner

this year the "Shiney Award!!"  8)

git-r-done, not much time left...

Go! Matt! Go! Matt! Go! Matt! Go!

keep up the good work  ;D



It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

You are right on the money. It's been a lot of work to do but is definitely worth it, especially when I look out the front door & see her looking the way she is. Dad & I talked about it & he & I think the car will look even better painted all one color, so by the end of the week the car will be all silver. It's not going to be a perfect job, just rattlecanned with duplicolor silver truck paint, but it will definitely look better than it does now.

As for the console, yeah, it is great. One mod I did to the console is I got an adjustable cupholder from Advance Auto Parts and screwed it to the bottom of the console under the lid. Works great and isn't seen.

The body is just about done, the mechanicals are near complete, all that is left is the suspension and the floor & such under the car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

looks like a lot of work but isnt it worth it? i think so. nice job man. oh and i have the mustang II center console as well i love that thing .

r4pinto

Thanks. The insert underneath the ebrake had to be fabricated since it was missing, but I can't tell much difference between that & the actual piece. The console isn't bolted down yet, but will be soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

She's coming along very nicely! I especially like the MII center console. 8)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto







That's all for now folks... I'm working on painting the inside of the trunk black, and will get some pics of the engine compartment that I already painted.

I am going to be painting the rest of the car to match the front of the car. I am going to be painting the car red eventually, but in the mean time atleast the car will all match for the first time in a long time.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

It's taken me a while, but here are the pics of the work I've done lately to her.









Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Yesturday I got the doors painted in silver & they look ok. It's not perfect since the doors are junk to begin with but they look better than they did. The vinyl paint was chipping off the rear seat so I repainted it where it was chipping. The console was faded where I didn't properly paint it 2 years ago, so that was redone. The console did not have a panel underneath the emergency brake, so I fabricated one, using a broken plastic container, and some woodgrain contact paper. It's not a perfect color match to the factory woodgrain color, but it looks nicer than having no panel there. To complete the console I installed an ashtray in the back that I bought at Carlisle 2006.

Next to do is to finish assembling the interior, and touching up any interior parts that need it. Rain is in the forcast today so I doubt I will be doing any tranny work to the car, but we'll see. I am also thinking of going ahead and painting the back half of the car to match the front half so it looks better.

I'll get some pics taken today & will get them posted soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

IT HAS BRAKES!!!!!! For the first time since god knows when I don't have to pump the pedal to get the car to stop. When I got the car I bled the crap out of the brakes and the pedal was better, but never perfect. I thought it was just that they were manual brakes but was wrong.

Anyways today I installed the brake line from front to back, and also the small section on the rf wheel, bled the brakes, then had the most solid pedal the car has had in the three years I have owned the car. I ordered a brake hose for the back, since the old one is badly deteriorated, being from 1977. After that there is no part of the brakes that is original.

Unfortunately I did find the underside is in MUCH worse shape than I thought. It needs a heckuva lot of work, as well as some brackets replaced that are badly rusted. At this point I have done so much to the car I am going to whatever I can to save this car. The body is in decent shape, and the interior is in good shape as well.

Last but not least, I did finish painting the front of the car, and will be doing some final sanding to the doors, then they will be the same color as the front end.  I also painted the engine compartment & underside of the hood gloss black.
Pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I've been so busy lately that I haven't done much to her lately. That combined with crappy weather, and school I haven't been able to work on her much. Today I rolled the car back up the driveway with help from my Dad, and started working on fixing the brakes. I looked at the rear brake line that went from the proportioning valve to the back of the car, and there was no good section of line to cut, flare & connect a new piece. When I noticed that I went ahead and unbolted the whole brake line from the car. That's one less rusty thing on the car now. Tomorrow I'm going to get the line needed for the rear, as well as the small part of the front brakes. I hope to be able to bleed the brakes on tomorrow, the end of the week at the latest.

I also went ahead and drained the tranny in the car and noticed there was only 2 quarts in the pan. The transmission lines have been unbolted from the tranny and one was constantly dripping into the bowl I had underneath it, so that might be where some of the fluid went. Either way, the output shaft has so much play in it there's no way I can use it.

I hope to have the tranny pulled and the engine work done by the end of the week. It's gonna be close at this point whether or not the car will go to Carlisle or not, but I'm gonna try.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, one of the rusty areas on my car is at the back, located at the trunk seal. I gotta replace the rusty metal with new metal welded in, but in the mean time I had some galvanised aluminum that I cut to shape, rivited into place, and sealed up with some indshield sealant. This is only temporary, but looks better, and hopefully will keep out the rain from the trunk.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: FCANON on April 22, 2008, 08:37:05 AM
If that is Glaze your using on the hood make sure it dries althe way threw before finishing it..it tends to hold moisture a long time and shrink back.
Keep it up.

FrankBoss

www.PintoWorks.com
www.FrankBoss.com

I tell ya, you're the man with that tip. Sure enough out of all the spots I filled the dent I filled did shrink back a little bit. I finished it off today with some bondo and will sand it tomorrow.

As for the rest of the work I did today, I sanded the driver door where the dent is and got another coat of bondo over it. The door is gonna have lots of bondo in one spot of the door, but it'll look better than the dent did. I also got the lifters & rockers back in the head, as well as the valve cover back on. Tomorrow if all goes according to plan I'll be doing more sanding to the door to get the shape back. I hope to have a coat of primer over the hood, and be ready for painting. The rf fender is just about ready, as I have some minor sanding to do to it before I prime it. I'm also going to fill in the cracks on the windshield seal to make sure it doesn't leak. A new seal will be coming sometime in the summer when I can afford it, hopefully anyways.

Pics of the work to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks for the tip. You learn something new everyday. I plan on working on sanding ot probably tomorrow since I gotta get the house ready for an appraisal. I did notice a little what you're saying, on spots I worked on before, unfortunately I wasted a lot of time since I didn't know what was causing it.

Now I know for later. Hopefully tomorrow I'll have the replacement lifters installed, rockers back in & the valve cover reinstalled. If all goes according to plan I'll be dropping the transmission this weekend at the latest, and then I can change the bad bearings and crankshaft.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

FCANON

If that is Glaze your using on the hood make sure it dries althe way threw before finishing it..it tends to hold moisture a long time and shrink back.
Keep it up.

FrankBoss

www.PintoWorks.com
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r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got some body work done to the car. Once I get the pics off the cam I'll post them. The hood was never properly sanded when I threw a coat of paint on it so I sanded it to take care of the cracking original paint. It looks & feels so much better, but now I gotta fill the little nicks & dents that are there. I also got some work to both doors. The passenger door is about 3/4 done & the driver door is just about filled where I dented it. It won't be perfect, but it'll look better than it did after I messed it up. I also sanded the cowl in the corners. I think the previous owners had the hood open up while driving since there is one small dent on both sides of the cowl pan, which match up perfectly with the corners of the hood. It's not the hood on the car now. The original one was rusting badly on the underside so I replaced it. I plan on repairing the windshield seal tomorrow after work and sanding some of the bondo on the driver door and spot filler on the hood.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well,   today after I got the bumper on my Dad's car I was all wound up & ready to go so I worked some on the Pinto. I was trying to decide whether or not to paint the engine compartment for Carlisle, so I started to paint it gloss black. It's not going to be a perfect job, as it's mainly to make the engine compartment a uniform color, as well as hide some of the rust. It's looking good so far. I got one coat on the passenger side, and ran out of gloss black, so I've got to get more. It's going well so far, and I figured while I had the battery out of the way I might as well do it.

As for the engine, I found another problem that was missed when I replaced the camshaft & rockers. I got the lifters from the Ranger I got the roller rockers out of and installed them, and shortly after I started to hear the noise. Turns out, alside from having worn rod & main bearings and a bad oil pump I also had ONE lifter that I could compress. I am thinking it was making some of the noise I was hearing, as well as the bad bearings at the bottom of the engine. I'm ok with that since I kept a set of lifters I previously bought with the cam. The cam & lifters came out of a 92 Ranger, but I had to get different Rockers for it.
Anyways, I'm going to clean up the lifters from the 92 Ranger and install them since there was one bad one from the 84 Ranger.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, I looked at the door yesturday to check it out & see what I can do, and confirmed the door is too badly dented to fix. The lower hinge is trashed so I gotta replace it, and the upper one is also bent. I have a hinge for the top in the garage & Tigger is checking for a good hinge that he's gonna sell me. As for the door, for now it's gonna get sanded, filled & painted so it doesn't look as bad as it does right now with the dent & chipped paint. I don't expect it to look much better but it has to look better than it does right now.

I'm still trying to find a door for the car before Carlisle but if I don't find one atleast the one on the car should be able to open & close alright without dropping any.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks. I'm getting a bumper right after work tomorrow so my dad's car will be fixed. I got a post for a replacement door, although I'm going to see if I can fix the old one so it'll atleast close. It drops about 2 inches so I'm not  holding my breath there. As my dad told me, it's better to find the bad brake lines now then when they go while driving, which they would have.

As for the ujoint, It's only a couple bucks so I'll get a replacement for it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Cookieboystoys

OMG! what a day...

I don't know what to say other than sorry all that happened.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

r4pinto

 >:(
It just got worse folks....
I went to remove the rf brake hose & the line broke. New line up front needed. I jacked up the rear & found the leak. crumbling LR metal line. Saw the rear hose & it's about ready to go. It gets better folks... I was carefully rolling the car down the driveway & missed the block for the front wheel so the car rolled into the garage and hit my rolling workbench. No harm there. I got the taurus to pull it up the driveway & forgot to close the driver door. It caught on the grass & bent it backwards. You guesed it, the door won't cloe right now and is dented up bigtime. I now need a new door & possibly a new lower hinge. The upper was the wrong one and I have a replacement upper in the garage. I pulled the driveshaft and the front u joint is quite free, compared to the rear u joint I replaced in 2006.

At this point, the car might not get to carlisle as now I gotta check my funds..

Oh yeah, when I got the door able to close I started to pull it back up the driveway, hit the gas a little hard and ripped off the bumper on my dad's car. I now gotta get a replacement for the taurus.

What a friggin day!!!! >:(
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ADaughen

No problem...  If you want, I'm looking at shaping my driver's side, running a few bead rolls and welding it in.  I could do two and leave some extra metal on the sides so it'd be a "cut to fit"...  I could mirror that on the passenger side easily enough.  I'm not sure if I need to do mine, yet.  Too many parts over on that side. 

If I was off on weekends, I'd offer to come out and lend a hand.
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

r4pinto

Cool. Thanks for the offer. I have a crank out of an 80 2.3 I was rebuilding for the Pinto and the crank is in great shape so I'm gonna use that.

Nah, haven't gotten the floors tane care of yet. Mine are very bad. The driver side had been patched by the old owners by screwed in street sign, but I want a good fix that will hold. The passenger side is starting to look like swiss cheese so I gotta take care of that also.  The underside is very rusty on the car, but the body is in decent shape. The rockers are solid, and very little of the rear quarters are rusted out. I plan on patching the rear quarters by welding in new metal. Right now I'd be happy if the car had brakes. The reservoir for the rear brakes was almost completely dry so I gotta track down the problem there.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ADaughen

Cool.  Well, let me know if you need any parts off mine.

My crank is probably original, but she ran when I pulled her...


Have you gotten the floor pan issue(s) resolved?  The Rust Monster took everything between the firewall and the seat mounts on the driver's side.  :(  I'm probably going to make my own out of 18ga steel sheet.
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

ADaughen

Matt, where are you located?

I'm in Dayton, with some spare parts (2.3 short block, etc).
'78 Cruisin' Wagon

r4pinto

Well, I got the driver side brake hose replaced, as well as the anti rattle springs installed. Thanks again Gerhard. When I removed the master cylinder lid I noticed the front part of the reservoir was almost empty. I'm going to check the rear brakes since I think there's a possible leak. I've checked the other front hose & it's ok, from what I can tell. It's as old as the driver side was so I'm thinking I might replace it just to be safe. The rear hose is cracking so that will get changed.

More to come on this pain in the neck project.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress