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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

But yes I am one. If it wasn't a sedan and ties me to my mom and her 73 sedan then I prolly wouldn't feel this way


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

What makes me an idiot is the sad Dodge Omni GLHT sitting in storage needing all four tires new turbocharger and roof and hood sanded and primered for the time being and here I am not wanting to scrap my 77 pinto


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

You're not an idiot, Matt... far from it!  You are a Pinto addict!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

I been thinking & thinking, and I can't believe what I'm about to say, but I'm considering once I get the engine & transmission put in the 80 to get it on the road, gutting the thing and seeing just how bad the rust is. I must be a big idiot cuz the whole reason to get the 80 was to replace the rusty 77. But after 10 years I can't bring myself to get rid of it.  :-[
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reddog

Hey Matt, I'll take them! Let me know your PayPal info I'll send you some$$$. My email is Brent@duckworthrealty.com thanks!
Everyday is a gift! Live it to the fullest with no regrets!

r4pinto

The parting out of the car will be starting soon. Not much time left in this old rusty relic. Gonna drive the car to storage so I don't get a ticket for having an unregistered car on the street. Once the 80 is running & driving then I will take the tires off it & put them on the 80.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Mine is the sedan. Are you referring to the plastic piece that is above the rear seat back at the top on the side of the package tray? If so I will sell them to you for $15 plus shipping. That price is for both sides.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reddog

Hey Matt, is the 77 a hatch back? I need an interior corner trim for a rear deck on my 2 door (coupe)
Everyday is a gift! Live it to the fullest with no regrets!

r4pinto

Haven't touched either yet. Been working my tail off & now they're covered in snow. Once I rebuild the head on the 80 the car will be close to running.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Alpine615

How goes the parting out, Matt? Is the 80 running after the fire?
1980 Runabout

r4pinto

The parting out of the car will soon start. Once I get the 80 running I will take the wheels & tires from the 77 & put them on the 80. Whatever I don't keep for the 80 will be put up for sale or scrapped.

One thing is for sure... I WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES sell the entire car. I got new parts on there I need to pull and the car is no longer safe to be driven or fixed. If it were I would be fixing it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Quote from: bbobcat75 on November 27, 2012, 06:56:29 AM
atleast you guys are using them to save more then one car!!

You got that right. The rear bumper on the 80 is in bad shape so for now I am thinking of using the 77s bumpers, engine going in the 80, exhaust will go on the 80 & whatever other parts I have will be either sold off or kept as spares for the 80. Don't wanna do it but have come to terms with the issue.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

bbobcat75

atleast you guys are using them to save more then one car!!
1975 mercury bobcat 2.8 auto
1975 ford pinto - drag car - 2.3l w/t5 trans - project car

Pinto5.0

I know how you feel. I tried to find a way to save my '77 sedan for 2 years. It was just too far gone to save so it's being stripped clean to save my other 3. Same for my '76 wagon. I started assessing it & realized the body had too much damage to save so I got a '74 wagon shell to replace it. At least I can drive it while I get the new body ready to replace it.

We can't save 'em all......
'73 Sedan (I'll get to it)
'76 Wagon driver
'80 hatch(Restoring to be my son's 1st car)~Callisto
'71 half hatch (bucket list Pinto)~Ghost
'72 sedan 5.0/T5~Lemon Squeeze

r4pinto

I've decided to let the car die.  :'(  It's too terminal and been on life support long enough. Once the 1980 is out of major surgery the 77 will be driven in to the driveway one last time, to begin her organ doning.

The more I thought about it, it is a matter of safety & the car just isn't very safe to drive anymore. It needs a transmission, major structure repair, rear quarter repair, door repair, LF fender repair, as well as some interior work.

After looking at my priorities and realising what is important, saving a major rust bucket isn't among them. It would cost me around 3-4k alone in rust repairs just to get the car to where it is safe & rot free. This decision has not been an easy one to make but I feel it is the best one in the case of this car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Reddog

When I bought my 76 2 door a few months ago it included most of the original drivetrain (2.3 w/c3) I'm doing a small v8 install 289(sorta) but who cares about those kinda details??? The guy had the tranny in his shop on a shelf under a blanket. It is super clean, tork converter and seals look brand new.
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Reddog

Hey I've got what appears to be a freshly rebuilt c3 that you can have to get Harold back on the road. The only problem is I'm in Mississippi. You figure out how to ship it it's yours. Brent
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dave1987

Wish we were closer to help with your car, matt.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

No I'm afraid not. The problem I got is I can't afford to have it rebuilt & don't have a place to do it myself. I do plan on keeping the old one & rebuilding it eventually once the garage is reorganised but in the mean time I gotta do what I can to get Harold II back on the road.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Matty, do you know anyone who can rebuild that one for a decent price? (don't go to Aamco- they gipped me when I had my transmission in my ((at the time)) '82 Mercury Capri "reconditioned" for almost $1,000 in '98. ) >:(
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Not having much luck looking for a transmission for my car. The one that was really close to me has been sold. Looks like it is time to park the 77 for the time being.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne,

What got me thinking of saving Harold II was when I was talking to my dad about the floor a week or so ago & he came right out & said you never know I might be able to fix it. That really got me thinking about it. We were talking about it after I started driving the car to work since it got so much better gas mileage than my 08 Pontiac. 26mpg for a 35 yr old car with messed up carb isn't too shabby at all lol.

I now have to get the transmission replaced since I gotta drive this car to & from work. Hard to do with no working tranny. Getting the car running solid underneath will make it all worth while. It also means I gotta fix the leaky windshield instead of leaving it but I don't mind. I just wanna keep enjoying the car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Matt,
Like you said, you might be better off getting rid of Harold II altogether, but I'm happy to hear that you've scrapped that idea rather than scrapping the car.  I've somehow always felt that there was a little more life in Harold II than you were giving her credit for.  Congratulations on the decision to keep her.  Sorry that you missed the Ohio get-together... your luck runs about the same direction as mine, I think!  Good luck and hang in there!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Good thing I planned on replacing the transmission on the car. Today I drove the car around the block so I could move it to the driveway & the car wouldn't shift out of first. I would hit the gas & the car would move but it didn't wanna shift at all, and when I backed off the gas it seemed more like it was idling than in gear. About 3/4 around the block it started to slip. If I was in doubt the transmission was bad before I am sure now. Friday I get paid and will be going to a local junk yard that has one from a 1976 Pinto for only $75.00. I will be getting it & installing it in the car. The old one will be eventually torn down & rebuilt to have as a spare for Harold II or the 1980.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Stay tuned for possible updates. I just can't bring myself to scrap this car. I'm gonna save the floor that was gonna be used to fix the 77 & see what I can do to save her. I have thought about this long and hard and I just can't do it. While I would probably be better off getting rid of this car altogether I just can't do it.

I am gonna save this car, one way or another. When I get done I will have two nice Pintos. I dunno, maybe it was driving the car that made me wanna save her but save her I will. Harold II will not die!!

With that being said I am trying to get a transmission to replace the one that just went out this past Friday. I can't complain, as I only paid 20 bucks for it & after driving around 2k miles I definitely got my moneys worth.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

No more odd noises & the ride has smoothed out on the car. It's driving alright for now so i will be driving the 77 to the Ohio Pinto meet. I been driving it to work for two weeks now & aside from the shower I get from the leaky windshield gasket the car is doing pretty well. Now that I decide to part out the car she decides to do better. Figures.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well Harold II is still around, hanging on to every last breath but probably not much longer. My Grand Prix is costing me way too much in gas so I gassed up Harold II to drive to work. I been hearing clunking & creaking from the car & today while driving the car to work I heard something hit the underside of the car on the freeway. Only thing is there was nothing on the road, leading me to think something has fallen off the car. I'm beginning to wonder about the safety of this car with all the noises. I have got to get that 1980 runabout back on the road so I can retire this car before something serious happens. I was gonna take the car on one last trip to the Ohio meet but now I seriously doubt the car will have many more trips to work left in her. The drive is getting rougher and rougher so I know something has gone wrong. The drive to Carlisle was fairly smooth but the 25 mile drive to work has gotten very rough on a section of freeway that has given me a very smooth ride in other cars.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Looks like the car gets a slight reprieve from death. Harold II still has almost 3/4 tank of gas & the Pontiac gets crappy mileage. With that said I will be driving Harold II around for the rest of the week & some next week after I fix my brakes. Seems silly to fix them now but I gotta fix them to drive her. I think she really is dying. The car has had an unidentifiable clunk from the rear of the car. Not gonna fix it at this point. No point since it doesn't seem to affect how she drives.

The end is really near.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Gotta look at one good thing... All the parts I have put on the car & some I didn't will be pulled off the car, so when it goes to the junkyard it will be going as just a shell. Anything I can salvage will be pulled off. Then I will be taking pics of the car to show how badly rusted the car is. I will even pull the windshield & save that since mine is in good condition & they are at a premium anymore.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress