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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on September 06, 2010, 05:16:09 PM
Yeah, she really is coming along Dwayne, Hopefully I will get the rear shocks installed & find a way to take care of the horrible rust problem underneath the car lol.

I'm sure you'll figure it all out.  I have faith in you and Harold II.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Yeah, she really is coming along Dwayne, Hopefully I will get the rear shocks installed & find a way to take care of the horrible rust problem underneath the car lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

At the rate you're going Matt, I have no doubt you'll make it!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Update....

I adjusted the fast idle, wired up the passenger side dome light switch, adjusted the heater control cables, cut & mounted the tailpipe, reinstalled the glovebox.. All that in about a week. Next thing is to go ahead & get the radio hooked up & reinstalled. I can't wait for that!

I have a list of about 5 car shows that I plan on taking the car to in the next month, all I have to do is get her registered & insured.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne, I am mainly concerned of the structural integrity of the car, since she is so rusty.. I got too much invested at this point to give up on her now.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Matt,

Child labor is super-efficient in any form... and especially if you grown your own!   :lol:

Glad to hear you are continuing to make progress on Harold II.

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Yep Dave, that's the one. It works really good, although I lost the box years ago lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

You have an old Sears Engine Analyzer too?! Awesome! My dad bought one in the 80s for use on my Pinto but he only used it once. Still in it's original box! I use it when I do full tune-ups. Black and silver, yes?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

Good for you Matty!  :D

Who said 10-year-olds are useless!? lol. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Update!!!!

With the help of my best friend's 10 yr old son I got the exhaust issue fixed, as well as worked on the curb idle. I checked it with my Sears Engine Analyzer I bought way back when & while it wasn't completely solid the idle wasn't too bad. The needle drifts a bit from about 840-860 & runs very nicely. . The next thing I plan on doing is finding the dratted tail pipe, mount it on the muffler, & also adjust the fast idle. Right now it is probably about 1000 or so, & I know it needs to be higher. I also plan on rewiring the stereo in the car, so I can get it & the booster all hooked up. Next, I gotta find the money to pay for the power brake parts I am getting from Tigger, as well as the power steering setup I will be buying from him as well. Once I get that stuff on the car I will be a happy camper, as I will be able to steer & stop the car so much easier.  Pics to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The gas leak is gone. The gas tank repair worked on the carb. No seepage at all, so that is another problem gone. Now I am going to work on the radio wiring. There is a slight problem with the starter solenoid plug, as I just tried to start the car & I had to jiggle the plug to get the car to start. No harm, as it's not suprizing, being a 33 year old car.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

So far today I have been working on Harold II & while I haven't gotten too much done I am getting little things fixed. I am working on installing the radio & equalizer & have put some gas tank sealer on the plug that was leaking on the carb. It has been on there for about 2.5 hrs & hopefully in a little bit I will be working on tuning the carb to get the car running smoother. I am also rewiring the radio, so I don't have all the audio equipment running through one ground. More to come later
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I know you're right about the positive attitude part & I am getting help in that department. Yup, I been getting my head checked.. It's the american way of life it seems lol.. Anyways, as for picturing what the car will look like when done I even see it in my head as we speak.

Interior:
Nice blue seats from a Mercury Topaz coupe. Why a Topaz you ask? Because the Topaz has a better chance of a power driver seat than the Tempo lol. The interior is going to be a combination of blue & black. The seats, carpet, rear panels, door panels, kick panels, & center dash will be blue. The dash cap & top of the doors will be black, floor console black, sunvisors black.. Headliner I haven't decided if I am going to go black or blue. Factory style 8-track player, 2 speakers in the dash, 2 on the rear deck, wiper delay, equalizer/booster in the a/c style Pinto console, followed by a Mustang II console between the seats. Deluxe steering wheel, deluxe door panels, wood grain insert on the dash, wood grain shifter trim & e-brake handle.

Exterior: Blue, close to a shade offered in 1973, steel wheels with the slotted hubcaps, sport remote mirrors.


Trunk & engine compartment are basically done. I am going to fix a trunk leak & probably paint the inside a gloss black, that is not final. The engine compartment has been painted gloss black, but it doesn't look its best. The engine for the most part has been rebuilt, the lone exception being the piston rings. The engine had great compression so I left them alone. Power steering & power braks will get installed on the car.

That is pretty much what I am planning on doing with her & hopefully I can get it all done, or atleast most of it done before carlisle.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

75bobcatv6

when you look at the car you have to see what you want it to be. and either visualize yourself getting there bit by bit, or making yourself do it as i have been having to do lately. as long as you can get yourself into a PMA (positive mental Attitude) you should be able to get things done. Ive recently gotten everything out of my car and am starting the interior work on it. even tho its 115+ outside i really wanna see some progress, even if its small

r4pinto

I went to the car today, but I couldn't get motivated to do anything constructive at all. She is missing due to a vacuum leak, the exhaust is banging against the leaf spring & about 1/2 inch from the ground, seeping gas at the carb, too low idle, needing carb adjustments, interior cleaned out, door adjusted... So much, yet I couldn't do anything at all. I couldn't even make brackets to mount the floor console & radio booster/equalizer in the console.

Some days I don't know why I even bother.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The parts collecting has begun!! I am in the process of getting things ready for the power steering install, & have added a post with a list of parts I am needing for my car to make her show ready for Carlisle 2011. I am stoked! I gotta decide what to do about the carb & get that car road readyt bigtime because as she sits she won't be able to go far reliably. I just wish I could fix the headliner before Calrlisle but I prolly won't be able to. Might just have to glue some new vinyl over the old headliner for a temporary fix.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Yup, as fresh as I could get. The car had no gas in it at all. When I bought the carb off ebay I slapped it on the car, but it never felt quite right. I am actually thinking of rebuilding the original carb & slapping it back on. The car fires right up, but doesn't seem quite right. On the other hand I recall replacing the carb because I couldn't get the original carb to work right anymore, so I dunno.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

russosborne

silly question, but did you put fresh gas in the tank?
and it could be just from the car sitting so long. Holley carbs used to be famous for going bad after sitting(back in the 70's)(which is why I still don't like them), for example.
Try a tank of new gas, and give it a good long drive. Even if that doesn't fix it, it will feel good. :-)

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Thanks Dwayne,

I hope the enthusiasm will continue, since I have a bad history of not doing that lol.

Today I  was working on a Toyota Tundra's brakes so I couldn't do much to the Pinto. However, I did go ahead & get a garden hose so I could wash the car. There was a years worth of dirt & debris, so I wanted to go after it bigtime. That car looks so much better, especially without all the cobsebs & such that were clinging all over the car. I still need to work on the carb because the car just doesn't seem to run too good with the current carb. It smells quite rich when it is running, so I gotta figure out what to do with that.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Congratulations, Matt!  Glad to hear Harold II is running again!  Now, if I could only get some of your enthusiasm and energy to rub off on me! :rolleye:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Hmmmm... Thanks for the info. I will make sure to only put about 1/4 can since the tank is only 1/2 full.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

71pintoracer

Quote from: r4pinto on July 29, 2010, 08:52:30 PM
Thanks guys!! Beegle55, I will get me a bottle of Seafoam & go ahead & put it in the tank. Couldn't hurt anything.


don't put too much in there matt, don't know if it will hurt the Pinto (since they are so tough!!) but I have been fixing 2.0 Escorts who's intake valve seats drop out after jiffee lube tells the customer they need to have the fuel injection system flushed out and they dump a can in the tank! A 16 oz can treats like 25 gallons so just give it a sip.  ;)
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

r4pinto

I tell ya, tomorrow I plan on cleaning the interior of the car & get the inside windows clean. The silver sharpie on everything inside still looks good. Maybe I will still mount the equalizer in the car, or atleast do a mockup of it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

And what fun would that be if you don't bring the towel??  :evil: ;) lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

ME!? NICE!?! LOL That'll be the day! I'll just hop in her regardless! And if YOU'RE nice I won't even bring my Towel Of Death. Whhhhap-SNAP! lol. :devil: :o ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

And you will Becky, and you will. Maybe I will give you a ride in her if you're nice lol.

I just gotta work on adjust the driver door, as it is a little off on the adjustment. The door is mangled from the incident a couple years back, but the filler on the door makes it look a little better.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Matty, I don't know about the chokes on later models but Wildfire's choke is automatic- she runs- I mean ran- rough when she was first started til the choke warmed up and opened. She's a '74, and she got fed Sea Foam, Lucas oil, carb cleaner (no not all at once! lol). Whatever the case may be, in the wise words of Larry The Cable Guy... Git 'er done!  lol. Like always, I'm rootin' for you! I want Ruby to meet her younger sister from Ohio. ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Thanks guys!! Beegle55, I will get me a bottle of Seafoam & go ahead & put it in the tank. Couldn't hurt anything.

I actually ran the car for a while today & that car really missed being alive. If I wanted to I could probably go out to the car right now & start her right up. That car runs so very smooth. When I first start her up after she sits it's a little rough but smooths out, I forgot how smooth she can run. I just need to adjust the carb so it will run better during startup.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

beegle55

I've had good luck running Seafoam through the tank after a car has been sitting a while. That may be enough to take care of your rough idle at startup.

Good job on wiping off the dust and more fun is to follow I'm sure!

     -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
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