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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

blupinto

I'm sure you'll be fine Matty. Just the same, happy head examining!
One can never have too many Pintos!

russosborne

Matt, how long has the carb been sitting, a year? It might have some varnish built up in it.
Congrats on getting it running.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

r4pinto

Her shocks are the originals from 1977 so I know they are shot. The exhaust is bottoming out because it is too low to the ground. I just have to adjust it to get it up higher.

Thanks for the kind words Becky, now off to get my head examind lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

How are her shocks? If she's bottoming out her shocks probably are shot.  Anyway, good for you and Harold II!!! I had faith in you two!!! ;D
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

IT'S ALIVE!!!! ALIIIIIVVVEE!!! MUAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Now that I am done with my frankenstein moment, it's true, the Pinto is alive once again. I blew out the fuel lines, installed a brand spankin new fuel filter, reinstalled the sending unit with new filter on the end, & put 5 gallons of fresh unleaded in her. She stumbled a bit at first but after the gas got to the carb she started up! Now she runs very, very rough at first but once I rev it a couple times she smoothes right out. I'm certain it's an adjustment that needs done with the carb.

I did see there was a little seepage at the carb at a cap on the left side near the fuel filter, so I am going to see if I can get that to stop leaking, otherwise it's off to the auto parts store to get a rebuild kit for one of my spares.

After I go get my head shrunk I am going to work on cleaning her up & out, so she looks better as she is sitting in the driveway.


Next thing planned for her after cleaning is to adjust the exhaust, as I bottom out everytime I hit a bump. I repaired a broken piece last year & think I just need to shorted the main pipe a little more to accomodate for the sleeve joining the two pieces together.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The work has started... Hook the battery up to the battery charger... Check. Disconnect the rubber hose from the fuel pump... Check. Find out why the dome light won't come on with the door open... Check & fixed.

Dummy me. The dome light problem was caused by the simplest of problems... The plug was disconnected from the switch. Plugged it in & she works. Now I am going to blow out the fuel lines, reconnect the line to the pump, & reinstall the sending unit, along with the replacement strainer I bought a year ago. We'll se if she runs good after that.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

That's what is wierd... I have a radio that has power all the time since it is digital. With that I really don't understand why the battery still has a charge since there has been a drain on it.  Oh well, no complaints there lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on July 19, 2010, 08:49:57 PM
Went to the car yesterday but it was stormy to work on the car. It has been over a year since she has been started but the battery still holds a charge! Although drained I could still listen to the radio!

The headliner stitching is gone so I will need to fingure something out to get that rigged up for now.

Matt,

Your battery sounds like a couple of mine.  Neither my '72 Pinto nor my '83 F-150 have anything on them option-wise that would drain the battery.  The battery in my truck was installed new in March of 1998 and still starts under its own power, although it admittedly sounds a little weak during the Winter months!  lol

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

Went to the car yesterday but it was stormy to work on the car. It has been over a year since she has been started but the battery still holds a charge! Although drained I could still listen to the radio!

The headliner stitching is gone so I will need to fingure something out to get that rigged up for now.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well,

I got moved in & have been too busy to work on the car. That is going to change, hopefully in the morning. I am planning on getting some fresh gas, blowing out the fuel lines, reinstalling the sending unit, & evicting the bees from the outside mirrors.

Hopefully after tomorrow she will run. Gotta make sure I have the key to the Omni GLH, as she is parked behind the Pinto. Can't move the Pinto if I can't move the Omni.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

It's alright Matt, we got hit hard with that same storm today. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on March 25, 2010, 10:41:13 PM
JuJu no good today  :( It rained all day long so I couldn't work on the car. We will see what happens soon.

That darned Becky... she sent you mechanical Ju-Ju without weather Ju-Ju (weather Ju-Ju never occurs to those California girls :lol:)
Here's some Ju-Ju from Virginia for mechanical prowess AND good weather!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

r4pinto

JuJu no good today  :( It rained all day long so I couldn't work on the car. We will see what happens soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

I got you covered Matty... Good JuJu headed your way! C'mon Harold II!
One can never have too many Pintos!

dga57

Quote from: r4pinto on March 24, 2010, 10:02:45 PM
Wish me luck! tomorrow I will be working on getting her running, and this time stay running. We'll see what happens.

Best of luck, Matt!  I have faith in you AND in Harold II!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rctinker

1977 Crusin Wagon when I was 16

r4pinto

Wish me luck! tomorrow I will be working on getting her running, and this time stay running. We'll see what happens.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Update:

It has warmed up so on Thursday or Sunday I will be reinstalling the sending unit. I will also be blowing out the fuel lines, putting gas in her & seeing what happens. If all goes according to plan she will run soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Becky,

I expect her to be there as well. If all goes according to plan she will go to Carlisle the next two years! Going to blow out the fuel lines to make sure there is no rust (or water) hanging out in them.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

blupinto

Darn Dads! Sometimes when I straighten up a room or the garage I inadvertently do the same thing- to myself! That's why I avoid straightening up! lol.

Matty, Harold II's issues will work themselves out in time. As a Pinto Mom whose Baby is somewhat in the same boat- but with more issues I know how frustrating not having funds or not having- or finding- the essential part you need can be. All I can tell you is hang in there. You have to keep plugging away at her. I expect Harold II and yourself to be there at Carlisle in 2011. Don't despair. You'll find a way.  :)
One can never have too many Pintos!

r4pinto

Months have passed, and the car still sits without a sending unit in the tank. This week I plan on getting the sending unit back in the tank, provided I can find the ring to hold it in. Dad rearranged the whole garage, and now I know where none of my tools or parts are. More to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dga57

Matt,

The Harold II project is sounding better all the time!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintogirl

That's awesome Matt!!!!

Hope the carb adjustments do the trick and you have a confident driver!!!!  ;D

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

Well, I got the temporary patch job on the floor & also got the interior back in the car. It's been such a while that it looks wierd to have an interior in the car lol. I also installed the replacement seat belt on the passender side of the car. After that I took the car on a drive & she seemed to do alright. The carb does need some minor tuning so I'm gonna make the adjustments tomorrow. The choke doesn't want to set so I'm gonna get that taken care of. She did seem to do alright on the freeway but we'll see what happens tomorrow after the adjustments.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

The carb I got off ebay arrived today so I ripped off the old one & bolted on the new one. At first the car seemed to have the same boging problem, but when I took her for a drive it shortly went away. I also adjusted the driver door so I could open it & close it with no problem. Tomorrow I am gonna bolt up the driver fender back on the car & also make sure the lights are working. I will also be patching the rear floor & reinstall the interior.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

No more leaky engine!!! I installed a new oil pan gasket & that solved the problem. When I installed the old one it apparently slipped off inside the pan. That caused me to lose oil. No problem, all fixed.

I also took the car for a drive & noticed I could not get on the gas for anything. I am thinking it is because the carb is junk since even the previous owner had problems with it. I will be looking at it tomorrow after I get home from my uncles place. Fixing his brakes.

We'll see what I can find when I tear into the carb. At this point that is just about the only thing that is gonna prevent the car from driving to Mentor, Oh for the Pinto meet, and that will get fixed one way or another.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Got a little done to the car today..

It was supposed to rain so I didn't want to worry about the oil leak the car has. Instead I went ahead and worked on fixing little things that drove me crazy.

One thing I looked at was the key buzzer. It worked when I bought the car but not since. Found the buzzer itself is broken so I gotta get a replacement. The seat belt buzzer also didn't work so I tracked  down the connector & did some investigating using the 78 EVTM manual. On my car the light would work but not the buzzer. The book said to look for continuity at the seat belt buckle connector. I went to do that, only to find it was unplugged! I plugged in the connector & it worked. I also went ahead and tried to figure out why my washer pump would not work. I push the button & get nothing. It worked when I parked the car in 2007 so this puzzled me. I had an old washer pump pig tail so I used it to bypass the wiring & switch. The pump worked with no problem. I'm gonna investigate further tomorrow.

The blue kick panels I got from Phils Toys also went on the car. They look 100% better than the old, chipping nasty black ones that used to be green. Lastly, the radio. I bought a cheap radio from Pick N Pull over a month ago, and since I got the car running I went ahead and hooked it up. For a 13 dollar radio it actually sounds decent, although the LCD display for the channels keep flickering. It's only temporary until I can get the 8 track back in there, so I don't care too much. It's got a wood grain trim piece around it, so it actually goes with the scheme of the old interior. Tomorrow I plan on fixing the oil leak and the dome light. It woks when I turn the knob but not when I open the door.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks

I was hoping to have a different carb on the car before my trip to Mentor, Oh in about a week but oh well, can't cry over spilled milk lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

larjohnson

Hey!!!! Do you know how many things I haven't won on Ebay for my Pinto????  Anyway, I'm sure a new carb will come up soon, and you'll get a great deal.  Look forward to hearing about more of your progress.....Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!