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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1977 Pinto- project in the works

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r4pinto

I wish my pasenger front floor looked that good :(

With this car lately it's been one step forward and about 50 steps back. I love this car more than the 78 I used to own. It prolly shows by all the work I have done to her lately. I do not want to let her go but I might have to :'(
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Carolina Boy

I feel your pain!!
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

r4pinto

The driver side rear just needs some minor fixing with a couple minor spots but this is very bad for the passenger side rear, especially since the whole front floor is shot. On the upside the transmission tunnel looks brand new.I got some major deciding now. Do I try to find a good shell nearby or do I fix what I got.. I can figure a way to pull the engine & it's got no tranny. I have yet to install the 8" rear.. Oh man.. what to do  :-\
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, I was removing the rear seat so I could locate the source of the trnk leak & found a very bad problem.. See the pic below



I know it's a 32 year old car but this is not good. If I'm gonna save her I need some major welding
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I was gonna install the tranny today but instead I cleaned up the garage & rebuilt my replacement carb. It's not going to be bolted on just yet because I still have to drop the tank and clean it out so I dont plug up the replacement carb. I hope to install the tranny tomorrow but we'll see.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thansk Phil! I'll give that site a look :D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Another thing I just thought of to check would be the tail light seals. They use a foam type gasket that tends to leak after time. I replaced mine with a cheap foam fender mat, cut it up into the shapes I needed and double layered them.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

I'll check it out. I don't think that's where it is since the leak is more towards the back but it doesn't hurt to take a look.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

dave1987

Don't overlook the rear window gasket! I had a leak in the driver side corner of my rear window gasket. Squished some silicon windshield sealant in there and it's stopped for now.

The only thing separating the cabin from the trunk is the seat, and that's just upholstery on fiberboard...
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

 >:( The damn trunk still leaks!! It is raining pretty good so I went outside & opened the trunk. The trunk floor is wet. What I've got to do is remove the back seat and while someone is watering the deck lid I will be inside the trunk with a flashlight. If the trunk were bigger I would just close the lid while in there but since the trunk is tiny that won't work lol.

I also found the water leak at the front of the car is back so I gotta pull the glove box so I can see where it's coming from. I am sure it's from the corner seam but not positive.

More to come later.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I got some pics of the door panels on my car. They don't look too horrible in the pics but to be honest the door panels don't do the pics justice.

Right side


Left side
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Today after work I took my 04 Paliby Maxx to get the tires rebalanced and while they were doing that I walked to the Lowes behind it to get some weatherstripping. I did what Dave did to his but instead of 1/2" and 5/16" I got three rolls of 1/4" weatherstripping. Same result, just different size. I noticed the Autokrafters catalog has the trunk weatherstripping for Pintos, so when I weld in new metal to replace the rusty parts I'm going to buy the actual seal for the car.

I also went ahead & went a little farther on the interior of my car. In the garage I had some door panels I previously bought off here & put them on the car. They are not the ones I want on the car but since the doors leak these work fine. Now, before you get in an uproar these are already junk. The backs are horrible & the vinyl is junk. I just wanted something on there so I won't have to look at the ugly inside of the doors when driving the car. Once I get the new doors on with new door seals then my good door panels will go on the car. They don't look great on there but from a distance they don't look too bad. I will try to clean them up some but don't know how well they will come out.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Well, here's what I got done today. It might not seem like much but it's better than nothing.

After I got off work I got one of those xmas tree shaped bits.. You know the ones that can drill different size holes & also deburr... Anyways, I went to Harbor freight and bought one and enlarged the hole I already drilled for the passenger side mirror cable to go through. I then mounted the mirror & ran the cable in the car. That miror has been in my garage since my first Pinto in 2004 & aside from a dirty mirror glass it works great!. You would never know the car never had it.

Next I finished installing the cable for the driver side mirror. That one I used that same bit inside to drill the hole for the cable to fir through. It turned out great as well. I got ambitious. I retaped the trunk seal so it doesn't flap all over, reinstalled the antenna, and most importantly... I washed the car for the first time in almost three years!!!

Wow.. The car shined up. While I had the hose off I looked for the water leak at the front. Couldn't find it. The big difference between when it leaked water in the car & now is that the antenna is in place. I saw a small pin hole that lead to the wheel well. In order to fix it I will have to pull the heater box & dash so that will come at a later date. I will seal it somehow in the mean time. I also found the trunk leaks BADLY!!! I gotta get a new seal for it but in the mean time I will figure something out.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Phil. I plan on going to Harbor Freight tomorrow to pick up a hole saw kit so I can get the holes drilled for the mirror cable to go through. Then I can get the duct tape off the holes. Going to also go ahead & reinstall the antenna for the same reason. No radio in the car for now but atleast that will be taken care of. One step closer to completion. I do have some old door panels in the garage so I'm gonna go ahead & install them for the Ohio show in July. I don't want to risk destroying the deluxe door panels I got to install on the new doors I got last year. Before I install the doors I bought from Phil I'm going to strip them to the bare metal & fix any dings that are in them. The door panels I bought off eBay will be going on those panels.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

keep up the good  progress matt
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

After getting a little lazy for the day I got a boost of energy so I went outside to do some cleaning & reassembling of my interior. I got the trash out of the car, as well as reinstalled the instrument cluster. She is looking really good inside, even though she has sat for a couple years. I also got the wheel covers back on the car, since they were sitting for the past year. Got the trunk lock installed & mopped up the water that was in the trunk. The seal is shot beyond belief so I gotta do something to fix it. I'll prolly do Dave's foam weatherstripping repair since they don't seem to make a trunk seal for the car.

Lastly I found a couple holes in the body behind the door where the antenna and mirror grommet goes through and put tape over them. I will be putting the antenna and mirror on the car but until I do I want to keep the holes covered so wasps or other bees don't try to make a nest in the car. If that were to happen I would have to junk the car and that would be bad. I plan on reassembling the replacement carb and get it ready to install. That will come after the gas tank has been dropped and flushed. I don't need a repeat of June 2006 on the way home from Carlisle.

more to come tomorrow after I get off work, weather permitting.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Update...

I got the front of the engine back together today. Since the car sat for a while I pulled the plugs & squirted some oil in the cylinders then got the front crank seal, pulleys & timing belt put on. I went ahead & set the radiator back in the car, even though it is junk. Atleast it is out of the garage though.

Next is to reinstall the oil pan & for the first time in almost a year, the transmission. More to come soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Kim,

I sure hope so anyways. After installing the transmission I still need a u-joint to install the driveshaft but I plan on getting that relatively shortly.. My brother just came back from a trip to California. Had I thought of it I woulda told him to go Pinto Parts hunting lmao. There just aren't any parts cars near here, thus the long list I sent ya lol.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

Woohhhhooooo!!! You are coming right along!!! Congrats!! Sounds like you will be on the road in no time!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

r4pinto

One step closer to running for the first time in almost three years!!! I got the crankshaft back in, oil pump bolted up and the new flexplate installed. Tomorrow I will be torquing the flexplate bolts to specs, as well as installing the oil pan, crank seal holder, timing belt and accessories. Depending on how things go I plan on shortening the spark plug wires & getting them reinstalled on the engine as well. If all goes according to plan the transmission will be back in the car very, very soon.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

I just lucked out.. As I previously mentioned I bought a rear main seal to install while I had the crank out of the car & it turns out it's a good thing I did. The old one has some of the rubber cut on it & more than likely would have started to leak. Better to replace it now then with the crank in the car. That is no fun there.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Haven't really done anything to Harold II lately, but that will change tomorrow.

I made $20 by fixing my brother's brakes so I went out & bought the rear main seal & gasket sealer needed for me to reinstall the crankshaft. The rear main seal was not leaking but while I have the crankshaft and tranny out of the car I figure now is the best time to get to it as a preventative measure.

When I get off work I am going to get the car up the driveway and take care of the bottom end. I can then reinstall the crank, timing belt & get ready to install the transmission. If all goes well the car will start & go up & down the driveway on her own. I can't drive it much since there is no exhaust or good radiator, thanks to the jack handle sized hole in it.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Thanks Phil,

I actually saw the striker bolt you are talking about, retailing at $9 but there just isn't the cash right now. The tape is a temporary measure until I can get the right part to fix it lol.

One thing I have been working on the past couple days are a set of deluxe door panels I bnought off eBay quite quite a while ago. The chrome stripping was all peeling off really bad so I went ahead and used silver model paint to recoat them. I am very, very happy how that turned out. I do need to do some regluing of the part that folds over the edge & repair a couple tears in the vinyl before they go on the car but overall I am happy of the condition. I only paid $20 when I got them, so I knew they weren't going to be perfect.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

phils toys

keep up the good progress matt. The help  section  of the parts store sells the striker bolt for about $6.00. I replaced both of mine  it took the rattel out  but i still  need to replace the weather striping, to get rid of the whistles  while driving
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

r4pinto

Another update.. Since I originally replaced my driver door back in 2006 I have noticed it closes in way too much & didn't line up. Today I adjusted the striker bolt out & it now lines up perfectly. The only drawback is there is a nice size gap from the squished weather stripping so I gotta figure something out until I can get the new doors on the car. The door also rattles a bit now, but I am thinking it could be from the striker bolt bushing missing  & the worn weather stripping. Next step is to get both those issues resolved.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

r4pinto

Yeah, I think you're right Kim. Now I just need to get a radiator to replace the one I broke when I threw the jack handle after getting mad at the car this weekend.

Who knows.. Maybe some day she will be in good enough shape to make the trip out west lol. I doubt it but you never know
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintogirl

I didn't know that Peanut Butter (PB) would do that?!!!!!!

Seriously though, I am glad to hear things are starting to work out, or come out!!! :)

You will be on the road before you know it!!!!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA