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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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dangerusdug

Yes I failed at stating that fact. It's only January..

78squirewagon

Quote from: Pintony on April 03, 2008, 08:47:24 PM
:wow: if you can't drive to a show then Y do you have the plate?
Cops zoop!!!! :showback:

Nobody drives a collector car in January in WI unless it's a winter beater  ;D   The West Allis cops decided on year to just be a bunch of *****s and bust people as they were leaving WOW. They tried it agin the following year and people (promoter, State Fair Park officials) threw a fit so they have been pretty ggod the last few years.
But they do have a right to do that because it states that the vehicle is not to be driven during the month of January if you have collector plates. It was just pretty crappy on their part to inforce the rule after a show. But now WOW has been moved to Febuary so they cannt say anything to anyone  ;D
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Pintony

Quote from: 78squirewagon on April 03, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
Collectors plates are a wonderful thing. Unless you take your car to World Of Wheels in January and the City of West Allis Police department knows that you are not supposed to be driving without a "special" temp plate and they pull you over as you are leaving the show ;D.  It has happened more than once

Good Luck getting your car back

:wow: if you can't drive to a show then Y do you have the plate?
Cops zoop!!!! :showback:

78squirewagon

Quote from: dangerusdug on March 30, 2008, 02:06:24 PM
Here in WI. we have plates that are good for life, but you have to have proof of insurance in an accident.

Collectors plates are a wonderful thing. Unless you take your car to World Of Wheels in January and the City of West Allis Police department knows that you are not supposed to be driving without a "special" temp plate and they pull you over as you are leaving the show ;D.  It has happened more than once

Good Luck getting your car back
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Fred Morgan

hjeffb let me know what v.c. say like 28-2532 registration violation civil penalties so we can give them a spanking. no were in my book says anything about mandatory 30 day storage, also in AZ you can make deals with toe guys say if it's $300. all I have on me is $140. and I can take car now. It will be alot faster for me if you give the direct writ-up code, should be 2  codes. Fred :) ???
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Fred Morgan

Hi hjeffb, I asume you live in scots. AZ I live on border most of my cars are reg. AZ some CA.. Due to the border prob. for me I have in the pinto manuals for both states, cops hate me because they can't give me crap. So soon as I can I will look up 30 day deal I thought only CA was pulling that. AZ CRIMINAL AND TRAFFIC LAW MANUAL this man. is very hard to come by. Ill get back.Fred ???
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Blacksheep22

My father had a wrecker buisness here in VA and the auction thing will work its just whoever "Buys" it will have to title it in their name and then "Sell" it to you. More money and paperwork but worth the effort if you want the car back. Also go talk to the wrecker company directly as soon as possible. We had a law here where we had to "Impound" DUI cars for 30 days and trust me, if they think the car wont bring $1000 at an auction they will work with you because it isnt worth their time to go through all the hassle of the auction and paperwork to do it and if you talk to them now maybe you can prearrange a price for their towing and storage fee's ahead of time so when the due date is up you will have had time to get the money and they get rid of a hassle to them and everyone comes out smiling. We had a couple of junkers like that looked like they were in a derby already and the owner wanted them back because they couldnt afford anything else and we would let them have it back on the release date for a couple hundred or less if they had anything at all. (like i said, better than auction!) Might be why we went out of buisness but we made some loyal customers and made some new friends that way. Go talk to them, what can they say? No? at least you tried that route.
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FCANON

I wouldn't wait any longer than you half too..alot of the auction people will try to buy Pintos to butcher for hot rods and to races or demo..So waiting for the auction might be a bad Idea...

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apintonut

Quote from: hjeffb on April 01, 2008, 05:51:51 AM
I got a few good ideas from you guys ty. No i don't blame the cops I know they were doing their job. I blame myself for not waiting the extra day it would have taken to get it all leagal. Yes I was taken to jail finger printed and released . I'm 38  not quite at the 40 years old insurance drop.
   The auction idea sounds pretty good. I just hope there are no enthusiasts there ,seems like i should be able to get it back pretty cheap  I hope.


                                                       hjeffb


awww that y u go in with the donuts and title.
get the tow company on ur side, having them in ur corner could help allot especially
when it come down to the price and access.
they have the right to sell at privet action. and if they have the title that speeds up the paper work time "so it came up for sale before the rest of the inventory",
good luck
 
ps dont for get to up date ur profile and put ur pin in the map u may find one of us close enough to help. or  may know some one that works at that tow company.

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hjeffb

I got a few good ideas from you guys ty. No i don't blame the cops I know they were doing their job. I blame myself for not waiting the extra day it would have taken to get it all leagal. Yes I was taken to jail finger printed and released . I'm 38  not quite at the 40 years old insurance drop.
   The auction idea sounds pretty good. I just hope there are no enthusiasts there ,seems like i should be able to get it back pretty cheap  I hope.


                                                       hjeffb

Norman Bagi

Ouch,  I am sorry to hear that, and yes maybe the police were doing there job.  But with half the cars on the road being driven by illegal aliens without insurance, they could do alot more.  maybe cutting a guy a little slack wouldn't have been the end of the world, it stinks, good luck, if it turns out let us know.

popbumper

"Same" thing happened to me back in the 80's when I was restoring my '57 Checvy. I decided to take a spin around the block. Good news was (and not to diminish the original posters issues, that sucks), the cops drove up behind me, followed me back to the alley, and then peeled off. I guess they figured (they knew) it was in restoration (in primer, no bumpers, etc.) and didn't bother.

Chris
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1975 pinto

Quote from: 77turbopinto on March 30, 2008, 04:12:28 PM
Most likely Tony is talking about 'collector car' insurance. Keep in mind that most of those polices will limit when, where, and/or how much you drive the car.


Bill

Collector insurance is even more expensive, it's just the whole 17 thing, in september my rates will go down a little bit but not much. The thing that just gets me is my buddy has a 87' Fiero GT and he has full coverage and pays high 70's a month. I just dont get it. ???
6 miles south of Dayton, Oh

77turbopinto

Quote from: 1975 pinto on March 30, 2008, 03:11:05 PM
It must be nice, I pay $67/a MO. just for liability >:( without any wrecks or tickets.

Most likely Tony is talking about 'collector car' insurance. Keep in mind that most of those polices will limit when, where, and/or how much you drive the car.


Bill
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Pintony

$67.00 X 12 months=$804.00
That is 27$ more than I pay for 1Year for a $30,000 E350 W/1 Milion dollar coverage.
across the board.

Not sure how old hjeffb is?? But I'm sure that being over 40 makes a BIG difference!


                                           From Pintony

1975 pinto

Quote from: Pintony on March 30, 2008, 01:45:55 PM
Just re-newed my Insurance for my Red wagon.
58.00 6 mo. 9000.00 appraised value.
The appraisal cost more than the insurance. :D
From Pintony
It must be nice, I pay $67/a MO. just for liability >:( without any wrecks or tickets.
6 miles south of Dayton, Oh

dangerusdug

Here in WI. we have plates that are good for life, but you have to have proof of insurance in an accident.

Pintony

Just re-newed my Insurance for my Red wagon.
58.00 6 mo. 9000.00 appraised value.
The appraisal cost more than the insurance. :D
From Pintony

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 77turbopinto on March 30, 2008, 12:37:08 PM

I an sorry to hear that it happened, but I would not blame the police for any of it.

You're right Bill, they were just doing their jobs. I personally wouldn't consider driving one of my cars w/o insurance. I think here in MN if you get caught they suspend your drivers licence, pay big fine and have to take the drivers test all over again. Plus you get stuck paying high risk insurance for 2 years after....

At least that's the way it was 19 years ago when I got caught in a similar situation to hjeffb

Important to remember plates/insurance first... joy ride after  ;)
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

77turbopinto

Quote from: Cookieboy on March 30, 2008, 11:00:06 AM
.....to bad the cops had to be sticklers and couldn't cut you a break.

Here in CT he would have gone to jail too. He did not meintion if he did, but maybe that was a 'break' the police gave him?

I an sorry to hear that it happened, but I would not blame the police for any of it.


Bill
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Cookieboystoys

Ouch! a pain in the rear but the auction idea might be best if they keep it for 30 days.

to bad the cops had to be sticklers and couldn't cut you a break.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pintony


earthquake

Have a friend go to the auction with you and buy it back.I do not know the laws where you are but in WA you can't buy your car back so you have to have someone else do it for you.It will probably go pretty cheap,most older cars do.I got a 74 ranchero 351 Cleavland auto runner.I drove it home for 10 bucks,on average i pay between  $1to $50 for a parts car $350 for a nice one.Good luck on this one,I hope you get your car back.
Doc.
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apintonut

go talk to the tow yard maybe if u show up with donuts and is very nice and take the title with u they will help u buy it back at action. this will work if u play ur cards right!
good luck!!!!! :search:
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hjeffb

Earlier tonight I got my 1976 pinto wagon runnin after it had been sitting for 2 years. I thought well hell I gotta take it for a spin around the block   --  you know just to get the cobwebs out of her  --  . Wouldn't ya know my local Scottsdale police just happen to be around the corner  :police:  . Of cource a yellow pinto wagon kinda sticks out a tad bit . By just getting it running after a few years I of course had no insurance no registration  :(  so it got impounded. Well here there is some law that they keep your car for 30 days. Needless to say there is no way I will be able to afford the storage fees that will be put on my pinto. (sigh) I guess that is another pinto that will get sent to the crusher.  :wow: don't they realize that that is a classic car  the b******s