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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1976 Wagon with 308.000 miles!

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Now for the possible down-sides of doing this, and what I have observed.

  Will the oil retain more contaminants?.    I believe it will. Since the PCV is not as effectively removing the volatile contaminants from the crankcase, the oil will become the reservoir for these contaminants. This means, simply, change your oil at the recommended intervals!
  • The water vapor cannot as easily be purged from the engine.     When we look at how this water vapor enters the engine, it becomes very clear. It comes into the crankcase via the normal PCV system. Since we no longer have an open air inlet for this moisture to enter, I believe the water vapor that is now in your engine will be pulled out, albeit more slowly. However, the influx of water vapor is now nearly eliminated.
  • What about a negative affect on the gaskets and oil seals?    Again, I have not seen any oil leaking from the Pinto engine. And I do mean that there is virtually ZERO leakage from the main seals (or anywhere, for that matter) on this engine. (I truly hate a leaky car.)
  • Will I see increased oil consumption?     This old 291,000 mile Pinto engine has always used some oil, and I've driven the car daily since May, 1988. I can count on about 1,600 miles to the quart of oil consumed. This has not changed.
  • Rough idle?   No, I think it actually idles a bit smoother.
  • Why hasn't Detroit done this years ago?     The auto manufacturers are after one thing, your money. They simply don't care how much that new car costs to operate.
 

I am only trying to pass along information that I believe is important enough to share with everybody who will listen. Again, I am not making a dime on this, nor do I expect to, ever. Please give this some thought, as a lot of fuel is potentially at stake. Consider at least trying it for a while.  My satisfaction will come in the knowledge that I may have had a small part in reducing emissions and our country's dependence on imported oil. Any oil, for that matter! 
                                                                                               
UPDATED INFORMATION:

In reference to the previously mentioned negative affect on the engine's oil seals... I have some new data to share.

Problem:  Rear oil seal leakage: I modified the PCV system on my Chevrolet S-10 class-C motorhome. The engine is a 2.8 liter V-6. In late July, 2006 we were leaving town for a long weekend of camping. I started to smell oil burning; never a good thing to experience! After finding a suitable wide spot on the highway, I noticed that the rear main oil seal was leaking quite well. Actually, it was nearly a steady stream of oil at idle. Now, please understand that we had driven this vehicle on a 7,200 mile tip across the US in September and October of 2004, with not a bit of mechanical trouble. This just had to be caused by the mods I had made to the PCV system. The process of replacing the original PCV system was done very quickly (it took about 10 minutes, tops!) and I proved to myself that it had indeed been the cause.

What had happened is this: the engine's crankcase had a negative pressure that was actually opening the rear main oil seal. This seal is supposed to be held closed by the pressure of the oil pushing against it from the inside. But a deep enough vacuum pulled in air past the seal, allowing oil to be pushed out.

The oil leak immediately stopped, and hasn't dripped in the 240 miles since. 

In fact, my 1992 Ford Ranger pickup and my brother's Ford half-ton PU both have a distinctive "whistle" after we shut them off from an idle. This indicates a deep vacuum within the crankcase, with absolutely no adverse affects! In fact, my brother's Ford pickup idles at about -20" HG., and this engine has no problem with oil leaks.  So, some engine's oil seals just seem to be more sensitive to a vacuum.

I never did check the vacuum in the crankcase on the Chevy's engine; maybe I should have. But I tend to believe it has more to do with the design of the oil seals than anything. I've chosen to run this engine without the PCV modifications due to the limited in-town or moderate loading of the engine. However, I have come up with a remedy, should this be a problem to others.

Cure:  I have researched the availability of an adjustable vacuum relief valve. They are a simple device that will prevent the crankcase vacuum from reaching below the valve's setting. A ¼" NPT model is in stock locally for about $10 (Grainger's). This will need to be installed in line between the valve cover and (preferably) the air box or air cleaner. If this valve setting is adjusted correctly, probably 6" to 8" HG, then it will open as needed at idle and downhill, etc. With the tubing run into the clean air stream, the engine will not have a new influx of dirt.

How are my other cars doing?  The old Pinto is still running flawlessly at 298,750 miles (as of 11/18/06). It's still averaging right at 26 MPG in town!! This is not running on the highways; it is 99.99% stop-and-go city driving. The Ranger pickups are still running fine. We are still seeing a similar MPG stated previously.

What about the highway mileage? I really haven't seen any increase in MPG over the 7,700 miles since I first modified the Pinto. But, there hasn't been any DECREASE in MPG either. Our Ranger pickup; pretty much the same highway mileage, also.

Please feel free to copy and forward this to as many people as you wish!!!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

mikerich1972

Modify Your Engine's PCV System to Gain up to 17% MPG
The idea is to reduce our country's dependence on foreign oil and save you money. I do not want your money in any way.

Now that you understand where I'm coming from, here's the deal... Would you spend about 20 minutes and under $10 to modify your vehicle's engine, and gain 5 – 17% increase in miles per gallon? There is nothing to wear out, replace, clean, renew, or change ever again. This is a one-time modification that will last for many years.

Still interested? Read on.

In the very competitive game of bracket drag racing, the engines are covered by many extremely restrictive rules. Any small horsepower gain that can be found within these rules is a huge advantage. Reduce the internal "drag", or rotational resistance, and you have a more efficient, more powerful engine. Some "old" drag racers have known this for a long time. They have been connecting vacuum pumps to their engines for an overall gain of nearly 10 horsepower. Small gain, yes; but an advantage of about 5%!!

In this application, we will put the engine's own Positive Crankcase Ventilation (PCV) system to work for us. We use the PCV system to reduce the pressure inside the engine's crankcase, thereby reducing the quantity of air that must be displaced by each piston as it travels downward. With the reduced air resistance within the engine, it naturally rotates easier.

So, how do we do this?     What you need to understand is how the PCV system works. It pulls filtered air into the engine block. This purged air is then pulled into the intake manifold, where it is burned in the engine. Simple, all we have to do is cap, or plug this airflow INTO the engine's crankcase. This is usually done with a small (1/2") tube that leads from the airbox (or downstream of the air filter) to the engine. It is generally connected to the engine on one of the valve covers. By capping this tube, be certain that you are preventing air infiltration two ways: into the tube leading to your valve cover; and into the air intake, or airbox. Because we don't live in a perfect world, make sure that all the tubing connections are tight. Let me go beyond that, they need to be VACUUM TIGHT. This may not be an easy task on older vehicles, as I will explain later, but well worth it.

We are now causing the crankcase air pressure to be changed from near atmospheric to at least -4" mercury (HG). The manifold vacuum usually runs at about -24" HG at idle. This is transferred to the crankcase by blocking the air flow. (The nasty vapors are still drawn off and burned in the engine, so the emissions have not increased, and the EPA will be happy.)

Does this REALLY work?    The first engine I modified is my 1976 Pinto with a 2.3 liter 4 cylinder. (Yes, they still DO exist!) This engine now has 291,000 miles, and runs as well as anything else on the road. I probably have driven about 1,200 miles since I capped the PCV, and I have seen no increased oil consumption, or other adverse effects. This is a true high-mileage engine with plenty of wear and blow-by. In my mind, if any engine is going to bite the dust through this, here is a classic case. (I wasn't especially worried because I have a rebuilt engine awaiting the day this old one dies). The around-town MPG increased from 21 - 23 up to 25 - 27, depending on the temperature. (Since this is a carbureted engine, the choke does play a role in economy). After the first tank of fuel, the MPG dropped back down to the normal (22 MPG) range. Slightly discouraged, I took a closer look at the whole PCV system. What I found was a bit of a shock. The oil filler cap on the old Ford was set up for a hose to the air filter. I had simply blocked this at the cap. After a while, the oil that had soaked into the seam of the two-piece metal cap had been pulled out by the vacuum, creating a new air leak. I eventually replaced the cap with a non-breathable one from another application. This, along with being extremely aware that vacuum leaks are nasty little annoyances and, careful attention to the gasket on the cap, cured the leak. The crankcase vacuum now runs at -4 to-5" HG at idle. The in-town fuel economy again changed for the better! Back up to, per the latest tank of fuel, 26.49 MPG. Not bad for November...

I did this on my dad's 2003 Ford Ranger. This is a two-wheel drive, 4 cylinder with a manual transmission.  He was getting similar MPG's around town, averaging 22 to 23. In the latest report, he is still getting 26 to 27 MPG in town.

I want to point out that the on-board computer in newer vehicles doesn't care about this modification! (The computer does not control or monitor the PCV in any way.)

In both cases, this is an increase of 17%

I honestly do not have enough data on highway mileage to conclude anything, but I suspect the increases would be slightly lower. More in the range of 5 – 10%, due to the decreased manifold vacuum at highway speeds.
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

mikerich1972

Hey guys. Look into JEG'S or any other racing equipment outlet and you will fine VACUUM pumps designed for this purpose. And that is to keep a vacuum in the crankcase!! Read up on it too.. They claim to gain up to 14 or so horses!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

Wittsend

At 308,000 miles and 42 years my bet is 99.9% their hard. I agree if done yourself it is a good investment. If your paying someone then just get the whole had redone. But, this doesn't account for ring/bore wear.  So, I'd say either do the seals yourself, or just keep driving it and add oil as needed.  BTW, my 150,000 mile turbo motor still has a nice crosshatch on the cylinder walls. Ford did something right.


If you do it yourself I recommend the using thin rope in the cylinder to hold the valve in place while the spring is compressed. Happy motoring and may you get 308,000+ more!

pinto_one

That's great , if it's using oil you might try changing the valve stem seals , you do not have to pull the head and worth the effort, had them get hard as a rock on a few pintos and rangers with the 2.3 , easy way to check them is to pull the valve cover and use a ice pick and stick the side of the seal through the valve springs , if they are soft they are good , if they crack and crumble they are bad , hope ''this tip helps everyone ,

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

74 PintoWagon

Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

dga57

That wagon of yours is nothing short of amazing.  I hope mine proves to be just as reliable.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

mikerich1972

Well, more news on the "old" wagon.

It now has 360,900 miles on the original block. Uses oil, but the oil pressure is still over 55 PSI and the last time I ran a compression check all the cylinders were within reasonable range. Still a great daily driver, and it gets a lot of attention!!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

mikerich1972

It's now at 343,600 miles officially!!
Still runs as well, if not better, than new.
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

chrisf1219

i hit 80000 orignal miles so i guess im good for aleast 200000 more!!!!!  chris
77 wagon auto 2.3  wagons are the best and who knew I like flames on a pinto!!!!

74 PintoWagon

Pretty darn good, it must of been well taken cared for..
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

mikerich1972

Okay.. we now have 343,600 miles on the old Pinto. However, I noticed on Monday that it's got a cracked exhaust manifold. Thanks to another member here (thanks, Derek!!!), I'll be getting another one soon, along with my original one braised. I'll have it back on the road by Friday.

Not bad for a really high mileage engine!!!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

r4pinto

Quote from: dga57 on November 07, 2010, 09:50:53 PM
Sounds like your Ford might have a little Timex blood in it... takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!

Dwayne :smile:

Or energizer batteries... They keep going, & going, & going......  ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

mikerich1972

Still running great at 326,650 miles!!!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

dga57

Sounds like your Ford might have a little Timex blood in it... takes a lickin' and keeps on tickin'!

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

mikerich1972

FYI: The old Ponto just turned over 326,000 miles this weekend!!  Still runs great on the original block.
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: mikerich1972 on March 22, 2010, 08:51:54 PM
When I told him of the high original miles and that it's driven daily, he just about fainted.

I get that too... but not from a Pinto. I have a chev lumina mini-van with 392,000 miles confirmed on the original drive train, 3 previous owners are known and motor still runs strong enough to have towed one of my cars home last year on a dolly, 200+ mile trip. My kid is the current driver and it still looks ok. funny thing is... it's the daily driver that has needed the least amout of work/repairs in the last year or more...

keep them wheels turning...
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

mikerich1972

 I got stopped today by a guy in a 1951 Chevy panel. He had followed me for about 5 blocks, apparently admiring my Pinto! He asked the usual questions about the paint, and its age. When I told him of the high original miles and that it's driven daily, he just about fainted.

Funny thing, though. For a guy in his late forties, he had no idea what it was until he read the emblems on the car!! I guess maybe more of those Chevy guys still need to be educated.  :welcome:
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

mikerich1972

The latest on the high-mile Wagon......

I am now putting the original emblems back on the hood, tailgate, and dash. I removed them years ago, to simply get a few smiles and curious looks from others (I replaced the tailgate and dashboard emblems with FIREBIRD). I think it's time to get it back into great original condition for the car show season. We are constantly being asked about this car, so why not let others enjoy it too?   :smile:

We have a local show called "Cool Desert Nights" that we usually attend and show one of our Pontiacs. This is no small affair... it averages over 500 entries! Last year, we were reminded that we could cruise anything we want, as long as we have a vehicle registered for the show! This year, the Pinto will definitely do the Friday night cruising!!!

The car now has slightly over 321,000 (actually 321,081) ORIGINAL miles, and I see no mechanical problems in the engine yet!   :surprised:    No worries, though. I rebuilt another 2.3 and have it waiting for the inevitable engine swap, when that day finally arrives!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

r4pinto

Thanks Mike... I am hoping to have some better luck with her after it warms up & I get her fixed.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

mikerich1972

Wow, R4pinto !!!!

Sorry to hear about the bad luck with yours..... I have driven mine almost daily for, well it will be 22 years in May! I bought the car with about 97,000 on the odometer, so I've put on most of the miles now.

1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

r4pinto

Nice to see someone having good luck with their Pinto. Since 2006 I have put maybe 50 miles on mine, and everything has gone wrong on it. If you combine your & my Pinto we got a normal car lol
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

discolives78

Impressive to see it still going, Mike!

I'm going to trade mine in at 100,000 miles  :lol: not.

Are you using the dielectric grease on the plug boots when you mess with them? I don't know if you can tell if you're losing juice there. Just a thought...

Also, are they fouling? or are the insulators crumbling? How many miles do you get out of your plugs? I've been through 2 sets in 17k miles. They're usually black/sooty ( my car runs a bit rich) The first set the insulators on 2 broke when I took them out. I'm using Splitfire plugs right now, they seem to be holding up ok.



Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

mikerich1972

Not much chance of the problem being a plug wire. I often check the ignition system with my indcutive timing light, which also checks the wires the way I kook it up.

Thanks, though!
1976 Pinto Wagon 2.3L
1972 Harley Davidson FLH 1200
1972 Pontiac Firebird 350/350
2003 Ford Motorhome
2018 Ford Focus

pintogirl

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

blupinto

One can never have too many Pintos!

blupinto

I'm glad she's still running strong for you Mike! Could it be something besides the spark plug though? Like a spark plug wire or bad cylinder?
One can never have too many Pintos!

pintogirl

Looks great!! Looks like Joe's in Morgan Hills car!!!
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA