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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Ponygal

Quote from: douglasskemp on April 09, 2008, 07:40:08 PM
Keep the old wheel just in case.  I am seriously NOT impressed with the three spoke grant wheels, specifically the horn button.  We installed one on my mom's 67 Mustang, only to have the horn short out.  The holes the horn wires go thru are metal with no chafing protection.  The car was having problems with the power assist (typical for those years) and due to added strain her wheel rotated on the column in relation to the mounting piece ever so slightly, but just enough to cut through the wire's insulation.  Luckily we caught it and didn't burn the car to the ground.  Needless to say, that wheel was replaced with an original 1967 FOMOCO product.

I will absolutely look into that!! (and remember that advice for my '66 Mustang as well, although I think I'll be replacing the wheel with a fomoco product anyways)
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

Ponygal

Another day, another few dollars...

A new alternator has now been installed, after the old one was discovered to be on the way out... my horn is now working consistently and with just the gentle press of a palm... Also bought some flex hoses for the brakes, and new upper ball joints for both sides.

We've also decided to get the exhaust redone as a pinhole has been discovered somewhere just behind the cat. No biggie though, appointment should be within the next week.

I took some time last week and painstakingly chiseled off the sun-scorched rain gutter trim. I've decided to forgo putting the darn stuff back on as there is plenty of chrome/aluminum trim on my "deluxe-exterior-packaged" sedan already, and I can only imagine the insanity that will ensue working the new stuff onto the rain gutter itself.

I'm DYING to take a grinder and sander to this car...

In other news, my plates are in, and here is your first look at one mounted to the front of the car. Yeah, it's cheesy, but I still laugh every time I see them :P



At it again tomorrow... with any luck we'll be getting the exhaust done + certified next week!!!
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FCANON

Lookin good... I hope you success with your certification.

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Ponygal

Carb rebuild was a success, new gas definitely helped.

Painted the grill and mirror satin black (yeah, it's $10 job hahah)

A few more things to look over on the car, and hopefully we can make an appointment for certification next week!!!




'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

douglasskemp

Keep the old wheel just in case.  I am seriously NOT impressed with the three spoke grant wheels, specifically the horn button.  We installed one on my mom's 67 Mustang, only to have the horn short out.  The holes the horn wires go thru are metal with no chafing protection.  The car was having problems with the power assist (typical for those years) and due to added strain her wheel rotated on the column in relation to the mounting piece ever so slightly, but just enough to cut through the wire's insulation.  Luckily we caught it and didn't burn the car to the ground.  Needless to say, that wheel was replaced with an original 1967 FOMOCO product.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

Ponygal

Quote from: Pintony on April 05, 2008, 01:23:09 AM
Hello Ponygal,
A WORD OF CAUTION!!!
Check the clearance between the black dome shaped piece and the brown part of your collum If these parts touch there will be sparks...
Unless the one I have on the Purple Pinto is defective?????
I was driving and there were sparks between them and it burned out my turn signal harness.
From Pintony

There's at least a pinky's width of clearance there, although hard to see in the pic... If there were sparks between them, wouldn't that mean your entire wheel is live? yikes
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

77turbopinto

I put a Grant wheel on my K-car (convertible). What a PITA.

Good point Tony.



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Pintony

Hello Ponygal,
A WORD OF CAUTION!!!
Check the clearance between the black dome shaped piece and the brown part of your collum If these parts touch there will be sparks...
Unless the one I have on the Purple Pinto is defective?????
I was driving and there were sparks between them and it burned out my turn signal harness.
From Pintony

Ponygal

A better shot of the Supertrapp:



Mirror:



Old wheel... anyone looking for one???



Took a break from the cursing & swearing to take a shot of the new wheel:


'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

Ponygal

A few more things to add...

Installed the new Grant steering wheel, went together great EXCEPT for the long-drawn out and totally unnecessary battle to get the horn cap on and still have it functional. Problem was solved by trimming the steering column shaft down a few mm's and also shaving another few from the cap itself. Thanks to my brother for  fixing both of those little issues for me :D Horn works, although somewhat sketchy.. I'll see if more messing around can get it nice and sensitive before certification.

Also got the lovely sport mirror on from S&H, the baby blue stands out on my chocolate pudding coloured sedan LOL I have plans to paint this along with the grill a nice satin black. I am attaching a Photoshop butcher-job of my proposed paint scheme for the car. Body colour will be navy metallic, and the black will be satin. I also will be reinstalling the side mouldings and painting the inserts black to match the rest. I'd love a set of rims like the ones I've got pictured here as well.. Hmm maybe next year!!


'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

High_Horse

Your doing really good PonyGal........ ;)


                                                                                High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

beegle55

Nice looking work. My '78 was pretty much that same car before it began its racing life. Enjoy your car! Keep up the joy of Pinto-ing.

     -beegle55
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Ponygal

Did the tune-up today, wires, plugs, cap & rotor, oil change... runs much smoother now, just needs some fresh gas, carb kit and air & fuel filters. *Also, we were able to fix the marker light socket issue by "borrowing" an interior trunk light socket from the Lincoln. 11 years on and they are still the same, right down to the shade of brown used on the wiring. Amazing.

Here's a couple shots from my cell phone, one of the Supertrapp in place and the other of the fantastic sticker I got from PCCA :D




'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

Ponygal

Quote from: crazyhorse on March 19, 2008, 11:16:04 AMThere were "love beads" caught up in both sides :) So, yes my car was truly a survivor of the '70's.  :lol:

LOL! too funny!!



'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

High_Horse

PonyGal and CrazyHorse,
                       Cool....Then they are good....all i need is some gray belt.

                                                        Inertia rings

                                                                                 High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

crazyhorse

High Horse was dead on with the inertia reels in the seatbelts. There's a pendulum in the reel, that when you stop hard swings forward, catching in the star wheel on the reel.

I had to remove my belts in my '74 to fix the reels. There were "love beads" caught up in both sides :) So, yes my car was truly a survivor of the '70's.  :lol:
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dga57

Hi Ponygal!
I would love to send you a picture but I am the world's worst with computers!  I've been trying for two months to post photos of the new quarter panels I bought from Black Car Parts for my Pinto ::).  I even had someone offer to resize them for me if I'd email them to him and I can't even seem to get that to work :embarassed:!  Tell you what, though... if you'll PM me a mailing address, I'll mail you actual photos of both my vintage Lincolns.  One is a '79 Collector's Series sedan in Midnight Blue Metallic, and the other is a '79 Mark V in white with the Wedgewood Luxury Group (Wedgewood Blue landau top, bodyside mouldings, pinstripes, and velour interior).  Both have been completely restored and have less than 100,000 original miles... not bad for 29-year-old vehicles!
Dwayne :smile:
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Ponygal

Quote from: dga57 on March 17, 2008, 08:24:05 PM
Thanks for putting my mind at ease regarding the demise of any truly classic Lincolns.
Dwayne :smile:

I can assure you that if this car was a 70's era car, you would need to pry the wheel from my fiancée's dead cold fingers, as he loves those ones. Nice to meet another who has the same obsession for land yachts ;) Any chance you might share a pic of yours?
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

dga57

My apologies, Ponygal... at least your explanation for scrapping the Lincoln make sense.  I just had visions (nightmares) of a slab-side suicide door Continental meeting its death!  It's true, there's not a lot of demand for late eighties Lincolns at the moment.  If, however, you would be interested in parting it out, there are owners on several Lincoln sites that would love to snap up some "new parts".  My two collectable Lincolns are both 70's era, which is a whole different animal from yours, so not much from it would work on either of mine; and my third one is a 2007 model.
Thanks for putting my mind at ease regarding the demise of any truly classic Lincolns.
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Ponygal

An update:

Got the exhaust done tonight, the Supertrapp sounds great, although there seems to be a bit of hollow resonance happening towards the front, maybe the cat is a little on the hollow side :S

New belts replaced, thankfully the squeaking has now ceased, and has been replaced by the lovely whirrr of new rubber flying through pulleys.

One small nagging thing I've been meaning to do is also done; finally got the negative terminal connector boot back on. Now have a matched set, and they look perty.

We took her for a spin around the parking lot out front and with both of us strapped in, I jammed on the brakes and SUCCESS! perfectly locked seatbelts! High_Horse, I think your forward inertia theory is correct. We tried a few times, switched drivers and it worked perfectly every time. I guess the new ones are just more sensitive to everything and lock even on small tugs. The parking lot up here is rough with ice, and I felt the belt locking slightly even on the bumps so I feel much better about it, thanks for the suggestion.

Compared the new wheel with the old, and there will be a definite decrease in diameter compared to the old one. Can't wait to get it in, just have to get an adaptor kit.

Will update with new pics soon!
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

Ponygal

Quote from: dga57 on March 15, 2008, 09:25:30 PM
Ponygal :wow:?  You're going to crush a Lincoln????  What's wrong with it?  I have three and love them equally with my Pinto!!!  That's some classy American steel you're thinking about scrapping!
Dwayne :smile:

It's an '88 Town Car, all white... it was owned by a relative who passed away. It was more of a temporary replacement as it only cost $200. I personally have never felt comfortable with the car, we smashed into a rock cut with it so the front fender is toast, as well as the back taillight valance. We currently own 5 cars, and are moving to a new home that only has enough room for 3 max, so we have to downsize anyways. No one will pay anything for a massive gas guzzler when gas prices are $1.15/litre, so the best we can do is crush her :)
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

Ponygal

Quote from: dave1987 on March 16, 2008, 03:41:24 AM
Did you get the steering wheel that the Mustang IIs, Cruising Wagons and Sport Pintos had? If so, it really isn't any smaller than the Pinto wheel. I just got one about a month ago and it's nearly the exact same size.

Naw, this is an aftermarket wheel.
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

High_Horse

I have never been able to get my belts to lock either when I pulled them but when I removed them the locking mechanism worked fine....are these mechanisms designed to lock when there is a sudden decrease in forward velocity....like sudden braking or impact???  Glad you brought it up PonyGal.


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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

dave1987

Did you get the steering wheel that the Mustang IIs, Cruising Wagons and Sport Pintos had? If so, it really isn't any smaller than the Pinto wheel. I just got one about a month ago and it's nearly the exact same size.
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dga57

Ponygal :wow:?  You're going to crush a Lincoln????  What's wrong with it?  I have three and love them equally with my Pinto!!!  That's some classy American steel you're thinking about scrapping!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Ponygal

I don't think there is anything really wrong with them, but I like to see these things for myself. I was able to get them to lock a couple times, but it took some lightening fast yanks to get them to work. I've got a huge parking lot that I can do the brake test like you mentioned. I'm used to my Mazda's sensitive locks I guess.

Thanks!

Got a new steering wheel today as well. 3-spoke chrome with circles cut out. Can't wait to install it, my original wheel is so darn big it rubs my legs when I get out :S
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

77turbopinto

If you have any doubt about the seat belts don't drive the car.

I have never been able to do a quick "snap" and have them lock unless the belts are pulled out like when in use. Also, I test mine with a stomp on the brakes.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Ponygal

Well, my original plan was to move, do the body on the car, then get it certified. I've since decided to get it on the road, crush the fiancée's Lincoln, move, then do the bodywork :D (my truck will replace the Lincoln until something cooler comes along)

Spent almost $200 on parts the other night, plugs, wires, cap & rotor, belts (bye bye squeal), exhaust and wipers. Still need a carb rebuild kit and air filter. I also have to have a close look at my seat belts, not sure if I'm just used to the newer cars, but mine don't lock well. I can yank them as fast as I possibly can and they won't lock. Maybe a stiff mechanism?

I'm also on the lookout for a passenger side marker light socket, mine's pooched and not sure where I might be able to get one?
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...