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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

FAQ: Rear End Ratios

Started by Poison Pinto, June 28, 2004, 08:17:00 PM

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Wittsend

As noted a number of posts earlier the first number is often obscured by either the bolt head, or "gunk" build up around the bolt.  Being there is no 2:18 or 4:18 I'd feel 99.9% confident that you have a 3:18 (based on the 1867 ... you provided) which was only available in the 6-3/4" rear end.

fastfred

The tag on mine at the bottom reads 1867 224A.  The high one looks like FU-5FC with perhaps something before this!
Fred

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  A men brother! I've been in the same boat as you have.
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Wittsend

It was interesting as I looked for internet information to support what I had posted. Those with limited slip rear ends posted the method you had (which is correct) and those with open rear ends posted what I had (which is also correct). What I did NOT find find was any posts stating 'there are two methods, for two different rear end types.' Thus it seems that whatever method people had used at some point in their life..., they thought applied to both.

But, yes, I learn new things all the time (or learn I was was wrong). Sometimes to my embarrassment, but ultimately for the long term betterment.


BTW, to the original 'how to tell' question above?  If you jack up one wheel and the tire rotates you have an open rear end and use the "open" method listed above. Note that the car needs to be in neutral and the brake off so properly secure the car from moving/falling on level ground.  If the tire will not rotate you have a limited slip/posi traction type rear end and need to use that method listed by Dick above.  This will require both rear wheels being off the ground and thus it only increases the need for the mentioned safety aspects.

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Wittsend

Quote from: dick1172762 on December 13, 2017, 09:44:09 AM
But if you have both wheels off the ground, the spider gears would not come into play or would they?

My experience is that:

1. Most cars have an open rear end.
2. Most people prefer to (or, only can) jack up one wheel. And with the open rear end it is necessary.

Hence the one wheel fixed, two wheel rotations method.  Regarding both wheels off the ground in an open rear end situation, yes, that becomes difficult. I've tried doing that in the wrecking yards and as one brake may rub over the other the spider gears come into play and skew the driveshaft rotation count.

That is why one wheel locked down makes for a consistent result.  That can be difficult to accomplish in the yards. I've tried jamming items in wheel openings, stacking tires until they jam and even turning the brake adjusters (one tight, one loose) to accomplish the task.

As you have stated it is both wheels off the ground and one tire rotation to driveshaft rotation count IF the rear end is limited slip/locker etc.

dick1172762

But if you have both wheels off the ground, the spider gears would not come into play or would they?
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Wittsend

Dick, you have had too many (race) cars with limited slip rear ends.  When the rear is open the spider gears come into play and the driveshaft rotation is half. The easier solution is to just turn the wheel twice and measure the driveshaft turns.  http://www.mossmotoring.com/the-highs-and-lows-of-differential-gear-ratios/


Or, the relevant part there of:
The easiest way to determine the gear ratio is to jack up the car (safely) and block one rear wheel so it can't rotate. Most British cars have "open" differentials, where a spider gear causes the wheels to rotate opposite one another. If you block one, the other wheel spins twice as quickly. When driving, this allows the wheel on the inside of a turn to rotate slower than the one on the outside of the turn. With the transmission in neutral, rotate the unblocked wheel two full turns and note how many times the pinion flange of the differential rotates. Marking the wheel and flange with a white marker helps keep track of the rotations. The number of turns is the gear ratio, which is called out as number of turns of the differential pinion to one turn of the axle.



open = two wheel turns


limited slip (etc.) = one wheel turn

dick1172762

Not double. If you rotate the tire one turn and the drive shaft turns 3 turns, you have a 3:00 rear end. If the drive shaft rotates 4 turns you have a 4:00 rear end. Etc, etc. Using this method you will see its very hard to pick out a 2:93 or a 3:18 from a 3:00 gear. If you take the rear end apart, it very simple to check the ratio by dividing the number of teeth on the pinion gear by the number of teeth on the ring gear. (the small number divided by the large number).An example would be 6 teeth on the pinion and 20 teeth on the ring gear would give you 6 divided by 20 and a ratio of 3:00. Easy as pie!
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Wittsend

No, the code as far as I know is not in the VIN. You have to look at the tag on the axle..., and as Dick stated it still might not be that ratio - but hopefully is.


As far as the tag in the image it was not cleaned sufficiently. The area I circled in red is the ".18", and the dirty area in blue I circled is likely where the "3" is.  As for your own car you will have to crawl under and clean/read the tag (safely secure the car before doing so). I've included a 3.00 tag as an example of the how far the "3" number is close to the bolt hole.


There is a mean by which one can rotate the tire and count the driveshaft rotations but in an "open" rear end the true count is double the drive shaft rotations and subject to misreading. If for some reason the tag is missing you will need to do that as a way of getting "close."


FWIW if I was choosing a rear ratio and my choices were factory only it would be either the 3.18 or the 3.40. Most likely 3.18 if I was using 13" tires and a fair amount of highway driving and 3.40 if I was using larger tires and perhaps inclined more to city driving.

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Wittsend

Do know that your tire size is as much a "gear ratio" as the gears themselves. Here is a calculator link that can be very helpful http://www.wallaceracing.com/calc-gear-tire-rpm-mph.php

I quickly ran a few tests at the Federal 65 MPH speed limit. Here are the results:

3.00 gears, 24" tire (likely a 13")        = 2,730 RPM

3.40 gears, 27" tire (likely 15" or 16") = 2,750 RPM

So, as you can see there is only a 20 RPM difference at 65 MPH between 3.00 and 3.40 gears because the tire size became the great equalizer. And just to prove the point:

3.00 gears, 24" tire (likely a 13") = 2,730 RPM

3.40 gears, 24" tire (likely a 13") = 3,094 RPM

Not altering the tire size made a 364 RPM difference. That is significant. Thus, know your goal.

  I have a 2.3 Turbo in my car with a very low 3.97 first gear (T-5) and a 3.40 rear gear. With the 175-70-13" tires I find it too low.  Previously I had the same set up with 3.00 rear gears and the 215-60-`14" tire.  I actually liked that for acceleration as it gave longer "pull" time between gear shifts with the turbo. HOWEVER, for everyday driving it was awful. The car was always in the wrong gear for normal everyday speeds. As an example 45MPH was too wound out in third gear but too bogged in fourth gear. Therefore the 3.40 gears were better in that regard because it put the engine in a 'sweet spot' for the speeds posted even though it came as a trade-off for the low (too low for my liking) first gear.

My opinions are a bit altered because of the Turbo motor but I'd think about 3.25 is a good overall ratio with 13" tires. And because I'm accounting for more highway driving than scooting around town my numbers are different than Dick's. As to the tag posted I'm thinking you are missing the "3" in a 3.18, 6-3/4" rear.  If you are running 13" tires and do a fair amount of highway driving it should be acceptable.  BTW, what ratio do you have now?  It would be good to know so you have a point of comparison.

dick1172762

I have no idea about what ratio is in the one pictured. If it has been changed along the way it could be any ratio. Taking it apart is the only way to know for sure.
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Crazy Lacy

Is the one you're saying is the good one to have, the one I'm asking about ?

Thanks for input  8)
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dick1172762

Over the years I've tried just about every gear ratio that you buy from 3:00 to 4:69. On one of my 80's Pinto I had a 4:11 gear in it and around town(Denver) it was great. The ratio of 3:55 looks like the best because it is good from a dead stop and will be just right for city driving. Too low? No because how much of your driving is going to be on the interstate? Around town it'll be just right. Try it / you'll like it!
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Crazy Lacy

There's one near me for sale that has Code 1867 207A, it's that any good? My rear end on my 4 speed 72 sounds like it's howling . The r-end for sale near me
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oldkayaker

For the Ford 8", the ratios 3.25 and 3.40 are still available new.  Maybe scarce in the junk yards.  The second link does not function as is, it needs to be copied and pasted to work.

http://www.summitracing.com/search/department/drivetrain/section/differential-rear-end-components/part-type/ring-and-pinion-gears/axle-model/ford-8-in?keyword=ford%208%22%20gear

http://www.yukongear.com/PartsList.aspx?SearchMode=Cat&CatID=35&CatName=Ring & Pinion Sets&MakeID=2&MakeName=Ford&ModelID=275&ModelName=Mustang&Side=Rear&DriveType=RWD&DiffID=160&DiffName=Ford 8"
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

cromcru

i have one 3.25 ratio or my 8 inch rear end. not selling
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Wittsend

From my experience these cars would benefit from having a 3.25 as an overall best ratio.  Sadly (in the 8" type) you have 3.00 and then jump to 3.40. And I have found the 3.40 very hard to find. They all seem to be either 3.00 or 3.55. I did the turbo swap so an 8" is essential. Otherwise the 3.16 / 6-3/4" seems a logical choice. Ford actually did use a 3.25 for a very short time.  This from the guy who was pillaging all the 8" rears and I fortunately happened beat him to the one I got.
Tom

americanpintobean

I have a rear end tag that says WGF-K, which means it should be a 3.40:1, but the numbers underneath are 3 18 xx xxxx

americanpintobean

I would like a posi 3.55,  6.75 rear end/axle for a pinto.  Can someone help me out?  Please help

dholvrsn

Are those door post sticker codes in the previous post?

I have a '79 wagon that says AX=Y on that sticker. I'm 99% sure that it isn't posi.
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billnall

FORD CAR REAR AXLE DOOR CODES for locking/limited slip
If it is a number from 1-9 it is not locking/limited slip.

YEARS 1980 Pinto
locking/limited slip
Z=3L08

YEARS 73-79
locking/limited slip
C=2L47
H=2L73
J=2L50
P=3L40
W=3L45
X=3L55

YEARS 69-71
W=4L30
Y=4L11

YEARS 69-79
K=2L75
L=2L79
O=3L00
R=3L25
S=3L50
V=3L91
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billnall

1980 Ford Pinto rear end tags decoded from Ford Parts Catalog.
WDY-AS=2.79 - 8"
WDY-AT=3.00 - 8"
WGF-AM=2.73 - 6 3/4"
WGF-AN=3.08 - 6 3/4"
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ernie

I have a 1980 with a tag that says WFG  AN  3.08 that i am selling.  I noticed others saying tag is WGF?  are there 2?

Pintony

Pretty sure the rear axel tag would say WFK... if it were a Posi.
Besides the L that would be in the 3l.40 which is sometimes crushed by the retaing bolt.
From Pintony

77turbopinto

I just "SCORED" a rear from a 78 cobra II, as well as the front and rear sway bars and assorted parts. The rear has a tag:

wdy oaan 7jd
40 8 244c

I am assuming that it has 3.40 gears (I know it is an 8 inch), am I correct? I did check the rotation and it seems to be about that for sure (spining both hubs at the same time).

Boy I want the whole car, still has the engine/tranny, but the car is soooooo rough.

I plan to transplant the meatball into the 68 rear I have in the pinto (it currently has 2.79's), It should fit... right???

Bill
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WGF-AL
3.18 6.7
1978 PINTO 3.18 RATIO 6.75 RING GEAR 23 SPLINE AXLES
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steveo

It looks like  18 6 7 224C    it's a little hard to read, but i'm pretty sure that's right

billnall

What is the 2nd line of numbers on the tag?
Ford Parts Man
Bill