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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Help Restoring a '79 Pinto

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Cookieboystoys

I just got another from 1aauto myself for my current 78 project  and here's the video

http://www.fordpinto.com/video/view_video.php?viewkey=3d06de0ca9a15b615367
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dave1987

I would go to ebay and look up the seller 1aauto. Here is a link to their auction for a 79-80 dash cap.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/79-80-Ford-Pinto-Dash-Pad-Cover-Cap-New_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1638Q2em118Q2el1247QQcategoryZ40017QQihZ016QQitemZ260218861970QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V

The included instructions and cookieboy's instructional video are both great guides to install it. I used both and mine came out wonderful!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

hooshkin

There was a short in the tugo lights so I took them off. One side was broken already too, so they were useless. We think there was a short in them. Also, we're gonna change the starter as soon as we can get someone to lift the engine up. There's no other way to get that baby out, i've had a good mechanic look at it too. The engine will have to be lifted.

Also, quick question. My dashboard is all cracked up and is ruined. Know any good places where I can buy a new dashboard for my car? Thanks!

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Owner of 1979 Ford Pinto

hooshkin

Aw'ight ya'll. Here's the deal. See im not too good with cars. But anyways, I lifted the hood up the other day, and there was this tube that somehow had fallen off of the air filter, thus causing it not to start. After reattaching it back, i put the positive cable back onto the battery (I have to keep it off the battery when the car sits out or else that will drain the battery if I keep it on there!).. After waiting a few minutes and trying to start it a few times, I finally got it going.

I also bought a new starter that we'll probably put on tomorrow so i'll let ya'll know how it goes.

But that is the main problem. I don't want to always have to open the hood and take off the positive cable when i have the car sitting out and then put it back on when I want to go somewhere. It's a waste of time and i need to fix it!

Thanks for all the advice n' tips. I really need to get this baby going. I bought it a year ago and still haven't gotten it going. Just never have the time or help. My uncle would've had that thing going the first week I got it if he wouldn't have gone to jail lol.
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D.R.Ball

So any luck? Or is it still dead.....BTW what is the condition of the fuse box and wiring ,good bad or  :wow: as on my 1976 Wagon...Hell at least it started and ran out of the wrecking yard where I found it..... :amazed: Upon rereading your post how is your starter solenoid and the fusible links ? All of your ground's connected all lights work, or dose one work too well or not at all......

Pintony

Hello  hooshkin,
It is almost impossible to diagnose an elcetrical problem with anything other than a BRAND NEW BATTERY.

Try getting your Pinto running and warmed up. Stop the engine, and then pull the plug on the regulator.
Wait the required amount of time and then try to re-start.
If your Pinto re-starts then yourt problem is in the charging system.
The regulator is a good place to start replaceing parts.
Start by removing the reg and sandpaper the mounting bracket to make sure you have a good ground.
Also make sure your Neg. battery cable goes from the - side of the battery to the body and then to the engine block.
Pintos have to have this ground to the body as the regulator is on the body.
Most people that replace the Neg. cable do not bother with the tab that goes to the body thuss causing more grounding problems.


From Pintony

hooshkin

Quote from: fastbak390 on February 24, 2008, 03:11:03 PM
When you try to start it after the 5 minutes, will it turn over at all? Or is it just dead as a doornail?
Yeah, it'll try to start but will fail.
Quote from: crazyhorse on February 24, 2008, 03:57:43 PM
When you have the starting problem, is the car up to operating temperature? If so, you may have a timing issue. It may also be the starter going bad. I've had both probs with my '74 at one time or another.
I do need a new starter now that you mention it. Someone also said something about a voltage regulator.

Thanks
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crazyhorse

When you have the starting problem, is the car up to operating temperature? If so, you may have a timing issue. It may also be the starter going bad. I've had both probs with my '74 at one time or another.

As for your e-brake, I'd bet that the new master cylinder is pulling the rear shoes back in further than before. This will require an adjustment of the E-brake cable. That's under the cover on the trans tunnel. Tighten the nuts to tighten the cable.

BTW Fastback390 I need one of the wheels from your yellow car :) Barring than that I'd settle for one center cap. HEHE
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fastbak390

If it drains to the point where it wont crank fast enough within 5 minutes, there would have to be a SERIOUS load on the battery for a short amount of time.

When you try to start it after the 5 minutes, will it turn over at all? Or is it just dead as a doornail?

Something seems funny about the scenario.

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Welcome

1) Electrical stuff can be a nightmare; give me some time to think about it. You might need to start by isolating circuits.
2) Might not be related, just that something broke? Out of adjustment?

BTW: Nice to see another Tan Pinto, even with mine now yellow.


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hooshkin


There is my 1979 Ford Pinto, before buying it, it was left alone in a field for quite sometime. There is some rust near the bottom of the sides and the back and the interior is pretty much in need of a whole new makeover. Torn up carpet, cracked dashboard, really dirty.. etc.  Now it has been stored in my garage and i've been having troubles trying to get it up and running again.

Problem 1) Battery drainage. First, this Pinto has a new battery and altenator. The battery has been tested and it works fine. Once the car is running, it is fine. However, once the car is off, if you wait for about 5 minutes without starting it, it won't start back up unless another car will give you a jump. This is the main reason why I haven't gotten to drive it much. I've been told this could be caused by many reasons, but im not too sure what they are and I haven't had much time to get ahold of someone to look at the car.

Problem 2) E-Brake. After I had a guy put on my new masters cylinder the e-brake stopped working all of a sudden. No idea why.

Oh, and it has new windshield wipers lol. I would've already had this car going on the road if it wasn't for the first problem, so if any of you all know what to do, help me out. It's a 4-cylinder, new battery/altenator, master cylinder and has fresh oil, brake fluid and power steering fluid. Again, the battery has been tested and works. Thanks ahead.
Owner of 1979 Ford Pinto