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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Metal repro parts for Pintos - possible resource identified

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TIGGER

I agree with Smeed, I use Irfan at work.  It is a great tool for pictures and imaging.  Good luck
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dga57

Thank you Smeed... we'll give it a try.  I am utterly and completely computer inept, but my son is usually great at doing this kind of stuff.  He worked on it for nearly two hours before finally giving up.  Pintony specifically requested that I post pics of the quarter panels... I hadn't really thought about that so much... but I do want to document and share my progress on the project once I get rolling, so we may as well figure this out now.  Probably won't get a chance to play with it anymore until Monday but I printed out the tutorial in preparation.  Have a great weekend, and thanks again!
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Smeed

Quote from: dga57 on February 09, 2008, 04:08:54 PM
I took some photos of the quarter panels I bought from Black Car Parts but I can't get them to post.  Spent $30+ on software to resize and I still get the message that they are too big.  I have to go to work now but if anyone would like to send me their email address, I'll mail the photos to you tomorrow or Monday and see if you have any better luck.

Dwayne
A little off topic but...

Follow this step by step guide to resize images. The software is free and I use it everyday.

http://www.somewhere-in-time.net/tutorial/irfanview/

you can get the software here:
http://www.irfanview.com/

'73 runabout

dga57

I took some photos of the quarter panels I bought from Black Car Parts but I can't get them to post.  Spent $30+ on software to resize and I still get the message that they are too big.  I have to go to work now but if anyone would like to send me their email address, I'll mail the photos to you tomorrow or Monday and see if you have any better luck.

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dga57

Hey Pintony!
I'll try - I'm not all that computer literate when it comes to posting photos and stuff :embarassed:.   At this point I haven't unboxed them yet... simply opened one end to make sure I had two, and that they were left and right.  Quality looks okay, peering into the end of the box like that.  Will try to pull them out and snap a photo and see if my son can help me post it. 
Dwayne  :tgif:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintony

Hello dga57,
OK you got your items FAST..
Can you take photos and post them here???
How is the quality?

From Pintony

dga57

Just another little unsolicited plug for Black Car Parts - I received my quarter panels yesterday... only eight days after ordering :amazed:.  I think that is phenomenal service!
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: dga57 on February 04, 2008, 09:38:01 PM
Try www.blackcar-llc.com.  I just ordered a set of quarter panels from them last week.

Dwayne

Excellent! found the site and panels... looks like they make most of what is being requested.

$460 for 2 quarters shipped.... not a small pill to swallow but still not to bad if you want replacements. I know I would have paid the body guy a lot more than that for labor to repair mine and as I recall I got mine shipped for about the same price if not a little more....
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

dga57

Try www.blackcar-llc.com.  I just ordered a set of quarter panels from them last week.

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: BlueGoldPinto on February 01, 2008, 11:39:04 AM
I do know that BlackCar.org offers repro rear quarters for all years Pinto and they come to about $200 a pop.

I went to www.blackcar.org and got this...

blackcar.org
This domain is expired, please renew it. Please contact us for more information.

so.... does anyone have good contact info on where to get these quarter panels or patch panels...

name??? web site??? phone # ???
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Wittsend

Hello,
I just replaced my passenger side front floor panel. The cost was zero dollars as I used the side of an old computer case for the metal.  While I didn't have the ability to make the strengthening/drain channels, I did use a larger/smaller socket as a die to  make flat dimples to strengthen the metal and hopefully eliminate resonance.

Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy fabricating stuff for next to nothing. While it is no original "look alike," I do believe one can make homemade panels as a viable replacement if time is taken to shape and acceptably weld them in.
Tom.

77turbopinto

Quote from: Cookieboy on February 02, 2008, 01:01:42 PM
Thanks Tony, I know Bill doesn't agree but it kills me to think good floor pans are being cut from cars to replace floor pans in other cars. My thought is... if the floor pans are still good... someone might be willing to restore it. Without floorpans the donor car is scrap. I know this doesn't apply in all cases but I see a lot of requests for floor pans, more than I do for fenders, doors and quarters...

3 of my 5 cars have "homemade replacement" floor pans and they are all crud... it's hidden by the carpet so thoes who did it didn't take the time to do it right. Only one of them will have a proper replacement as the other 2 are beaters/parts cars at this point. I will have to talk to the body guy doing the work and see if a quality repair can be done. If not I will have to find a donor car and as I stated I would hate to do that. If replacements were available... problem solved  ;D

I understand that floors would be helpful, no argument there. Truth be told, I have patched more floors than any other area on a Pinto, BUT I would have preffered to have REAL PINTO PATCH PANELS for the other areas. Exterior body parts are MUCH harder to fabricate.

It's SO easy to use replacement floor panels made for other cars, or to fabricate parts from scrap. All it takes is minimal effort to have it come out nice. (NOT so easy for a Q-panel).

You mention some crud jobs. I wonder IF someone is that much of a HACK would really take the time and effort with getting Pinto panels? If they did get the panels, they might still do a crud job installing them.

I agree that there are some folks out there that will cut up a "donor", but most "donors" that I have seen cut up have other 'issues' that would stop them from ever being restored anyway (wrecked, rotted in other areas, NO TITLE.....). IMHO: IF someone HAS a donor they might not be willing to cough up money to buy parts they already have.

I only expressed MY opinion on this topic because of how much work I have done on these cars.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: Pintony on February 01, 2008, 10:38:59 PM
Hello Group,
I think the floorpans are a top priority!!!

Thanks Tony, I know Bill doesn't agree but it kills me to think good floor pans are being cut from cars to replace floor pans in other cars. My thought is... if the floor pans are still good... someone might be willing to restore it. Without floorpans the donor car is scrap. I know this doesn't apply in all cases but I see a lot of requests for floor pans, more than I do for fenders, doors and quarters...

3 of my 5 cars have "homemade replacement" floor pans and they are all crud... it's hidden by the carpet so thoes who did it didn't take the time to do it right. Only one of them will have a proper replacement as the other 2 are beaters/parts cars at this point. I will have to talk to the body guy doing the work and see if a quality repair can be done. If not I will have to find a donor car and as I stated I would hate to do that. If replacements were available... problem solved  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Pinto1600

Good morning all,
                 I'd like to get in on this thread if I may. I fully agree that we(Pinto owners) are almost always left out in the cold for most any replacement parts for our cars,so I happy to see that someone is spear heading a solution for us. As for myself,I am not in need of major body panels but the smaller parts such as splash pans,battery trays and some plastic parts are sorely needed. Hopefully if enough voices are raised a major step will be taken. Count me in!
Happiness is..Driving a classic Pinto

dga57

I just ordered a pair of quarter panels from Black Car Parts @ $185 each.  Unfortunately, with $90 tacked on for shipping, that brought my total to $460.  Oh well... you've got to pay if you want to play!  My gut instinct is that since I don't have a welder, I'm liable to pay that much or more in labor just to get them put on the car.  Haven't started looking into that yet... thought I'd wait until the panels arrive.  The '72 Pinto I just bought is essentially rust-free except for the quarters, which are absolute toast.  As far as replacement parts I'd like to see reproduced; based not so much on my Pinto as on other cars I've restored, patch panels would be a godsend, although most of them really aren't that difficult to fabricate if you have a little talent and a lot of patience :).
Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Pintony

some may remember this photo from the Blowin off the dust thread a few years back.
This pannel had compound curves and I made this in 3 hrs on an anvil with a ball pein hammer.
From Pintony

Pintony

Hello Group,
I think the floorpans are a top priority!!!
Although there is nothing I can not make as far as metal is concerned here is a 1 of the early Pinto battery trays I made for myself.
HOW COOL!!!!
Notice how I have not drilled the bolt holes yet.....

hellfirejim

I agree that patch panels would be the first thing.  For me what I need is the right front fender panel where the battery was.  Now just a rusted hole. 

Other than that I am good.  I hope for other people this comes to pass.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


77turbopinto

Please don't get me wrong, I think its great that there are people out there like you that are willing to do some leg-work on getting parts made.

I think that there should be some DEEP thought into what parts would befit the most people (need/price) and go from there. I don't think it is a good idea to ask them to make parts that other companies are making (Q-pannels, rockers).

If the parts that are made help the most people, the more parts that should sell, the more Pintos that get saved, the more people we might draw to re-do Pintos, which will create more demand for parts..............

I still think that exterior body rust repair patches is the place to start for metal parts.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

popbumper

...in which case I think that it's important that ">insert company name here<" either takes deposits or prepayments on items before they decide to even go forward. I personally have had pinball machine metal cabinet parts reproduced and sold them, but my cash outlay was a (mere) $2000 upon which I realized a reasonable profit across several orders and a two year time frame.

(Yeah, beleive it or not, there is a very strong underground movement of pinball machine collectors out >there<, and I'm one of those crazy people who make and buy reproduction parts).

  Marketing and selling reproduced parts is a tricky arena; most companies do it based on the fact that they have full coffers and can afford to take losses where appplicable, and/or there is a known demand for which, coming fuill circle, folks "pony up" for ahead of the build. I would not want this scenario either. A company or individual must also seriously consider their reputation, quality, pricepoint, markup, etc., especially for unique niches like this. Not an easy road to hoe.

  My wish is that >we< could uncover a supplier that is viable, providing quality products at fair prices, to a secure, reliable audience. Of course, I wish I had my Pinto wagon back as well....so much for wishes.... :nocool:

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

77turbopinto

Quote from: popbumper on February 01, 2008, 04:45:43 PM
Bill:

  Sure, like anything, an asking price of an item does not cater to everyone's needs, but this thread was not about "What do people need and are willing to pay for" as much as "what things in general would folks like to see reproduced"? Having been in other collector hobbies, the rules usually follow the basic framework of:

1) A particular item of interest is highly desireable, but rare, pricey or simply "unfindable"
2) Enough people step forward to claim interest
3) Someone clever enough to have the ability/cash/plant/interest to reproduce it does so
4) More people step forward to claim interest
5) Price is linear to amount manufactured, and hopefully "reasonable" to the potential buyer majority
6) Folks with the deepest pockets get theirs first
7) Desperate folks who are willing to sacrifice to get it get theirs next
8) Some folks just don't have ANY cash, and no matter what the price, they get by without it

..and there you have it, no disrepect meant. Been down this road at least a few times. Stuff costs money; money talks and the rest walks. I am just trying to let folks know there may be other options. Again, I'm just a nobody, without any car, trying to help people I don't know. Talk about unqualified..... :D

Chris

Chris

None taken.

I only brought it up because I have seen similar threads before, and there are some folks that get all exited but never think about what the items will cost. This COULD HURT ALL OF US IF people make requests to have specific parts made by that company, the company makes the parts, and then NO-ONE BUYS them; they probably won't make any more Pinto parts if that happens.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

popbumper

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 01, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
I also know of a company that sells re-pop q-panels for non-wagons, they are like $200. each (might be the same one). I have the info for them somewhere.

Be aware that stuff like what is mentioned in this thread tends to be pricey to manufacture; just because people NEED them does not mean they WANT to PAY for them. (I know there is at least one person here that knows what I am talking about)


Bill


Bill:

  Sure, like anything, an asking price of an item does not cater to everyone's needs, but this thread was not about "What do people need and are willing to pay for" as much as "what things in general would folks like to see reproduced"? Having been in other collector hobbies, the rules usually follow the basic framework of:

1) A particular item of interest is highly desireable, but rare, pricey or simply "unfindable"
2) Enough people step forward to claim interest
3) Someone clever enough to have the ability/cash/plant/interest to reproduce it does so
4) More people step forward to claim interest
5) Price is linear to amount manufactured, and hopefully "reasonable" to the potential buyer majority
6) Folks with the deepest pockets get theirs first
7) Desperate folks who are willing to sacrifice to get it get theirs next
8) Some folks just don't have ANY cash, and no matter what the price, they get by without it

..and there you have it, no disrepect meant. Been down this road at least a few times. Stuff costs money; money talks and the rest walks. I am just trying to let folks know there may be other options. Again, I'm just a nobody, without any car, trying to help people I don't know. Talk about unqualified..... :D

Chris

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

77turbopinto

Maybe "willing" would be a better term....

I would hope that more BODY stuff is made. I am sorry, floor pans are way to easy to make.

BTW: The floor changed in 75 to make room for the 'cat'.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: 77turbopinto on February 01, 2008, 03:31:26 PM
just because people NEED them does not mean they WANT to PAY for them. (I know there is at least one person here that knows what I am talking about)

I hear ya Bill... I paid un-godly amounts of cash for my replacement quarter panels for the 73 once I found then... not a lot of people will do that and just because they are made not all will pony up the cash to buy em'
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

Cookieboystoys

I think.... floor pans can be different for early vs late Pinto's... I'm not sure but believe this to be so... can someone else post more info on this... This would be important to know if reproductions are made.

I think floor pans are one of the more important parts to have remade...

and

Patch panels would be nice too... for rust repair on doors, quarters and fenders...

of course this is coming from someone way up in the rust belt  ;D

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

77turbopinto

I also know of a company that sells re-pop q-panels for non-wagons, they are like $200. each (might be the same one). I have the info for them somewhere.

Be aware that stuff like what is mentioned in this thread tends to be pricey to manufacture; just because people NEED them does not mean they WANT to PAY for them. (I know there is at least one person here that knows what I am talking about)


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

popbumper

Keep the ideas coming. Once I give this about 24 hours, I'm gonna call Joe (my contact) and let him know what's up. Thanks guys, excellent input(s) so far.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

bobscat

like someone stated before, rear quarters, and I would like to see more front end stuff for 79-80 cars cause there seems to be alot more out there for earlier models than for these.  But, I don't really know what the demand for that last one is.

FCANON

www.pintoworks.com   www.tirestopinc.com
www.stophumpingmytown.com
www.FrankBoss.com

BlueGoldPinto

I do know that BlackCar.org offers repro rear quarters for all years Pinto and they come to about $200 a pop. However, if these guys started to repro these as well, we might be able to get possible discounts for mulitple orders. That's MY two cents worth (I don't belive in our government anymore ;D)
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)