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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Looking at a pinto. Likelyhood of odometer rollover?

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Smeed

Triple post! :O

My parents went to pick up the car earlier today so I volunteered to stay and watch my brothers. Long story short the car is in nice shape with the exception of a little sun damage in the interior but it looks like the car does only have 28k miles. Ill get some pictures tomorrow when they get back.

'73 runabout

Smeed

Just if anyone was wondering, carfax wont accept anything older than '81 because it needs a 17 digit VIN.

'73 runabout

Smeed

Im not sure if there is a cutoff year for carfax but I cant find anywhere on their website that says so. Hopefully carfax doesnt wait until you pay for the history report to break the bad news to you...

I found the car on craigslist: http://nh.craigslist.org/car/406765479.html

'73 runabout

Pintony

Hello Smeed,

I think Carfax is for model year 90?? and newer??

Did you find the Pinto U seek on the net???
Do U have a link???
From Pintony

Smeed

What about a carfax report? Are those any good for older cars? I dont know what kind of info they would have on a car with only one or two owners...

'73 runabout

77turbopinto

Quote from: dave1957 on October 05, 2007, 09:17:18 PM
another thing to give a quick check is the drivers door..how does it close? a 28k door should close good and have no play if you pick the door up and down

Yes, worn hinges can be adjusted to make the door close properly so lifting of the doors is a great idea.

Also look to see if it has had new pins and bushings installed, or the hinges replaced. I have rebuilt a bunch of them, they are super easy to do and will make the door solid.

Bill
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dave1957

another thing to give a quick check is the drivers door..how does it close? a 28k door should close good and have no play if you pick the door up and down
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Smeed

Will do. Ill be looking at it/buying next weekend.

'73 runabout

77turbopinto

Just making sure.

Let me know if you get it, I would like to come look at it.

Bill
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Smeed

Of course, that one is a given :P I was just laying out what I should look at to make sure its truly got 28k miles.

'73 runabout

77turbopinto

Quote from: Smeed on October 05, 2007, 03:32:46 PM
...So I should be looking for worn pedals, pitted windshield, loose steering....

You need to look at the entire car, those items are just indicators of mileage on the car.

Bill
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Smeed

I understand what you mean about the age thing, I know some people may try to pull the wool over my eyes because Im inexperienced, which is why Im trying to make sure Im well informed.

My dad is coming with me to look over the car. He said the same things you guys did about the pedals... something about the steering too. He has rebuilt a few 240zs and things like that so he knows his stuff pretty well.

Ill ask about breaks, word and the recall fix.

So I should be looking for worn pedals, pitted windshield, loose steering. Thanks for all of the tips so far :)



'73 runabout

Iceman75x

Quote from: 77turbopinto on October 05, 2007, 08:29:53 AM

I almost hate to say the biggest problem you will have is your age, and please don't take offence. No matter how much you know, some people will think they can fool/mess with you. DON'T go to look at it alone, go with someone older that knows about cars. I was 17 at one time too, trust me. Another thing, if you find problems with the car, or strong evidence that it is being misrepresented, don't make a big deal or argue, just make an offer or say bye. DON'T get emotional at all, and don't worry, Ford made millions, you WILL find the right one for you.

Ain't that the truth. I went to look at an old mustang II that I suspect the guy started parting out. He told me the bumpers he got rid of them because they were badly rusted even though the rest of the car was fairly clean. Then not 5 minutes later he told me it came with "full plastic" bumpers. This, along with a few other things convinced me that this is not where I'm going to spend my hard earned cash. Needless to say, I left empty handed and didn't spend a dime.

Pintony

Hey Bill,
The Windshield is a good one to look at....
From Pintony

77turbopinto

I agree with UP, 55, and Tony.

For me, I care less about miles on a car than I do about the condition. I have seen lower mileage cars that have big problems, and higher mileage/well maintained ones that were fantastic.

I normally REMOVE the pedal pads if they have little wear or look new, when the pads wear through they will have the paint worn off the pedal itself and people rarely paint the pedal before installing a new pad.

Another good clue is the windshield; if it is pitted badly that is a sign that it might have high miles. From what I have seen, owners tend to do everything else but that.

Don't test drive or look at a car in the rain; rain will hide noises and keep most people from spending time looking.

The car might have had new ball joints and other things done so don't rely on just any one thing.

Check to see if it has had the recalls done.

Like Tony said and I agree, the early ones are more expensive and harder to find parts for.

I almost hate to say the biggest problem you will have is your age, and please don't take offence. No matter how much you know, some people will think they can fool/mess with you. DON'T go to look at it alone, go with someone older that knows about cars. I was 17 at one time too, trust me. Another thing, if you find problems with the car, or strong evidence that it is being misrepresented, don't make a big deal or argue, just make an offer or say bye. DON'T get emotional at all, and don't worry, Ford made millions, you WILL find the right one for you.

Also keep in mind that anyone you ask advice from will most likely try to talk you out of the car. That's just human nature; if you buy it and everything goes wrong, they don't want the responsibility. Cars can have hundreds of flaws, that does not mean it's not worth buying, it just affects the price you should pay if you want 'that' car, and that second person is there to help you see as many of them as you can before you shell out the cash. Tell anyone that goes with you what their 'job' is and that you will take all reponsability for the purchase.

You need to have a plan before you go see any car. The most important part is the financial one, but you have to decide ahead of time what issues you want to work with and what ones you don't.

A common misconception is that sellers will always accept lower offers. I have had some cars that I priced at my ROCK BOTTOM price and have watched empty trailers leave my place. Don't always make a low, or REALLY low offer 'just to see' as it can backfire on you and where the seller might have lowered the price a little, but because you upset or insult them, they might stick to the list price. This does not mean that you should not try, just be warned: offer according to value to you.

If I find ('when' really) another local Pinto I will let you know.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

A 28,000 mile Pinto will drive like NEW.
Find a bumpy road and drive about 30 MPH with the windows down and the radio off.
Listewn for front end noise...
A 28,000 mile pinto will have none.
Also take the pinto up to 65 mph to see how much the steering wheel shakes.

I like Bob55 idea about looking at the brake pedal to see if there is wear...
On a 28,000 Pinto there should be NO wear on the pedal pads.
OR U can do what I do is say the whole trip...
This Pinto is going to be a POS over& over.
Be prepaired to walk away.
If U find that the miles seem to be fishy???
Try to re-negotiate a diferent price...
OR just WALK on the deal...
Questions to ask the seller
How much work has been done lately??
R the brakes NEW???
Even a simple brake job could be VERY costly.
The last time I needed front rotors for an early Pinto they were 140.00 each new...
From Pintony

BUYER BEWARE!!!!

UltimatePinto

If you can, get the front end off the ground with the wheels straight and check the ball joints
.
You can do this by grabbing the tire with both hands, ( 12 o'clock & 6 o'clock respectively ), and try rocking the wheel. Push with one hand while pulling with the other, back and forth.

I would think there should be very little,if any movement if the mileage is as low as advertised.

Al

bob55

Get plenty of pictures, sounds like you're taking that precaution.  You can also take a look at the brake and clutch pedal pads, those will wear on the lower corners after only a few miles.
In a quandry......

Smeed

Its a 73 runabout. The owner claims it came from New Mexico and that there is no rust, the body looks good from pictures I saw. Also says it runs and drives perfect. He got the car from his brother in-law, who I guess is the original owner, and its now in New Hampshire. 28k documented miles... I dont know if that means he has documents to back up his claim or he means thats what it says on the odometer. Im going to talk to him once more before I look at it in person and potentially buy it. Its quite a drive so I cant just take a look, drive home and decide. We settled on a price of 2k, how will I be able to tell that the mileage isnt something like 128k if he doesnt have papers to back it up? Should I ask him about things or will this prompt him to hide/replace anything that would look worn? Ive never bought a car before and Im pretty sure my father has seen all of the cars he has bought in person before.

...or maybe Im just being a bit paranoid.

'73 runabout