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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Project Shur'tug'al [AKA 75 Pinto street toy]

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Quote from: hellfirejim on June 03, 2009, 08:43:37 PM
Progress report on the tranny swap.  They had to fabricate a new shfter cable mount to fit but with that done the trans is in the car.  Additionally the 4 spd driveshaft fit perfectly behind the C3.  More good news is the trans hole is covered by a plate which doubles as a shifter mount point.  The shifter is installed and adjusted.

Next come the mounting of trans cooler and the lines.  A few other items like the removal of the clutch pedal and cable.  After the trans part is done we still have to put in the new front springs.

To tell the trutch I am going crazy waiting to get it all done.  here are few shots.  the bracket is hard to see, sorry.
jim

PS: The white ball is going aay to be replaced with my T handle with lineloc button sitting in the tray in front of the shifter.. ;D




Evening all.  Been a long day.  I quoted the picture above so you can see what i did.  The electric radiator fan was not coming on properly [poor ground] so i figured the easiest solution was a ground ring and spacer.  Here is the picture, mostly self explanatory.



This other picture is of my paint booth as i painted and re-installled my swing out side bars for the roll bar.



:lol:  Just finishing up odds and ends before saturday and the exhaust. 

i did realize that my fuel gauge doesn't work so i will need some ideas on that. 

jim
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hellfirejim

Well Howdy Do!!  Life is good.  I took ther Pinto out for it's first test run and yes with open pipes.  it did very well and only has two small problems that can be fixed easily.  BTW: I have an appointment in 2 weeks to get the exhaust done. 

The pictures are of the tranny cooler and lines.  Yes i have already made some changes but no pictures yet.  Here is just one of them.



This picture is of the interor after I clearanced the consol, painted it and mounted the T handle w/line lock button.



The rest of the pictures are here.  http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/First%20test%20run/

Life is Good.

jim
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hellfirejim

Progress report on the tranny swap.  They had to fabricate a new shfter cable mount to fit but with that done the trans is in the car.  Additionally the 4 spd driveshaft fit perfectly behind the C3.  More good news is the trans hole is covered by a plate which doubles as a shifter mount point.  The shifter is installed and adjusted.

Next come the mounting of trans cooler and the lines.  A few other items like the removal of the clutch pedal and cable.  After the trans part is done we still have to put in the new front springs.

To tell the trutch I am going crazy waiting to get it all done.  here are few shots.  the bracket is hard to see, sorry.
jim

PS: The white ball is going aay to be replaced with my T handle with lineloc button sitting in the tray in front of the shifter.. ;D





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hellfirejim

I said more when it happens and it is happening.  On the way home i got a call from my buddy to stop by the shop.  Since i am not using a stock shifter there were issues to solve.  Some good fabrication should solve it.  I also had to locate where i wanted the shifter to go.  by the time i get home tomorrow from work they should be pretty far along....  I hope. :lol:

PS: I didn't say it out loud but the car is in the shop for the tranny swap and the front coil spring swap.  when it comes out it should be a different car..... ;D
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hellfirejim

No the trans swap has not started yet..... :rolleye:  However I did do a little something.  I got a set of front coil springs used from Chris (POPbumper) and i cleaned them by hand.  The first thing was to spray them with PB blaster tolossen the rust.  I then rubbed them down with a grey scrub pad.  yes by hand.  After that i then took to some sandpaper and went over the coils springs.  i cleaned them and degreased them to spary with flex primer.



After that I sprayed them with a flexable bumper cover paint. Better than nothing while i wait for the trans swap....[did i mention that the wait is driving me crazy.......



More when it happens.
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r4pinto

Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
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hellfirejim

First is the trans cooler is here and it is so cool.  This is one made at least 10 to 15 years ago and is it sweet.  Not one plastic piece in the whole damn thing..  Absolutly first class fabrication.

This weekend i installed my spoiler.  At first I was going to use double sided tape but after talking with someone who has done it before, it doesn't really work all that well. So what to do?  Silicon Adhesive.  Oh yes and make sure it is clear. 

I first laid the spoiler up on the rear deck and it fit well.  I then laid tape around the spoiler to give me a layout area.  Oppss forgot, I carefully pryed up the Pinto emblem and the Ford letters.
Ok back to work.  Since I knew the deck under the spoiler was going to be under there for about 2 years I took the time to prep the deck under the spoiler.  I sanded and spreaded with a primer/sealer.  When that dried I layed out a beed of silicon around the inside edge of the tape.  I then laid on the spoiler and clamped the bottom and across the top I took a bowed piece of wood and put the bow down on the center of the spoiler to hold it down while it set.

After it had set, I cleaned up the extra silicon with a razor blade and it was done.  Alright i can't leave well enough alone.  Remember the Pinto emblem i took Off?  look at the picture of the spoiler.

jim



link to other pictures

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/spolier%20install/
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hellfirejim

got the fuel pump rewired.  Now just waiting for the trans cooler to get here.... :read:
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hellfirejim

hell i am paddling as fast as i can.  i got the rest of the wiring for the safety switch done and it works.  i also got the the ground strap from the engine block to the body.

my shifter arrived along with the trans cooler install kit.  just waiting on the trans cooler and the package goes in the car......
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Turbo Toy

Enough of this foolishness. When we gonna ride in this thing? I'm not going to put the 4.10, posi together until you drive it down here. It's coming along nicely considering all the setbacks you have had with the motor and trans lately. Git er dun. :showback:

hellfirejim

Short update.  The trans came in and it is a C3 which is just fine for my needs right now.  Decided on a new flex plate [chewed teeth $24].  I ordered my new shifter and install kit of the trans cooler.  Speaking of the trans cooler it is on its way too.  With parts coming i will finish the saftey switch wiring and begine the fuel pump re-wire this weekend if the weather cooperates.

More pictures later.
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hellfirejim

Ok back to your regular warm weather posts.  Today is pictures of my new inertia fuel pump shut off safety switch.  A mouthfull.  The first picture shows the parts required to put this together.  It is amazing the amount of time it took to do this right.  Basically I put the switch into a plastic box and mounted it next to the battery behind the pass seat within easy reach from the drivers seat. 

The switch is from an escort and is relatively cheap $20.  The pigtail for the wiring which you will need is over $30+ dollars. :hypno:   Nuts and bolts about $10 and the aluminum was some scrap I had left over from another project.  It just takes a lot of time to sort it out but worth it.  The second picture is is installed.





Here is the link for the rest of the pictures. 
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/safety%20switch/

Depending on the trans and such I may rewire the fuel pump next weekend.
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hellfirejim

Just a quick note before i head back out and work on my Pinto.  I just heard that i am getting a complete autotrans out of a pinto that was on a 2.3.  I don't know more than that and until weds when it is supposeed to arive.

Why is this important?  Down the road i was going to swap to an auto for health reasons and strength this fell into my lap for $100.  As i said i don'r know idf it is a C3 or C4 but either for now will work just fine.  more info as it comes it.
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hellfirejim

Great story!  I am working on something for the Pinto that is not quite far enough along just yet to say anything but I think it will be cool.  More when the time is right.

This weekend if it doesn't rain is installing the inertia switch for the fuel pump and maybe a re-wire of the fuel pump harness.

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71pintoracer

Back in my dirt track racing days I had a 2300 that was set up just a little too loose (they turn up better when they're loose!) It had so much blow-by that oil blew out of the valve cover breather and caught on fire! I solved that by putting a Ford anti-backfire valve in the exhaust at a 45 degree angle and hooking a silicone hose from the valve to the valve cover. The exhaust flow created a vacuum that relieved the crankcase pressure. As long as I kept it around 7800 RPM everything was fine. At 8000+ I would get a tad bit of ring flutter and when I came off the corner the oil had gotten sucked into the exhaust and the smoke would roll for a few seconds!  :lol:  :lol: I told people it was just an old worn out junk engine and it didn't run good until it started smoking! I won a lot of races with that ol' worn out engine!  :laugh:
If you don't have time to do it right, when will you have time to do it over?

hellfirejim

You know that is why I created this thread that seems to have taken on a life of its own.  If somebody sees something that they can use then so much the better. 

This is another reason for working on my pinto is I can exchange ideas and thoughts for $$$$ which are in short supply.  I really enjoy trying new things and simply doing it my to make me happy and it does.

Glad it was of some help.
jim

PS: Next is the install of the fuel shut off switch for my electric fuel pump.
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71HANTO

Dang...I missed it by ][ that much ;D  But you gave me an idea :amazed:  I'm staying wet sump but I'm going to install a petcock valve on the bottom of the catch tank with a high pressure return hose feeding into a fitting that I'll install in near the top of the oil pan or feed back into the oil cooler return line (more likely). Then I can let captured oil back into the engine when I'm back at the Paddock cooling it down. You just saved me A LOT of messy hassle between races ;D :drunk:  My Lotus engine was burping about 1/2 of one of these tanks each race (regularly hit 8000 rpm). I slightly overfilled it with oil for safety before each race (Paranoia). I am not using my AccuSump because it messed with me one time and cost me $$$. I don't trust it anymore and it's heavy >:(

71HANTO
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hellfirejim

Actually that is pretty close to the truth.  what it is is an oil / air filtration unit for a dry sump oil system.  It lets the oil drop out of suspension [if there is any] and the excess air breathes out the filter which keeps all the mess [oil] inside.

The system lets the engine breath which will be important when the boost is added.
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71HANTO

Not to jump on anyone's post, it is an oil overflow or catch tank that is required by race rules. HIGH RPM engines can and do burp oil on to the track just in front of YOUR own rear wheels 1st!!! FUN :hypno: :accident: Pictured is what I bought on Evil-Bay for under $20 delivered about a month ago for my Hanto Pinto race project...

"Life is a series of close ones...'til the last one"...cfpjr

Carolina Boy

Hellfire, what is that setup going from the valve cover cap to the fender????
If life gives you a lemon, squeeze it in your moonshine and buy a Pinto.

hellfirejim

Well I am back at it again.  Yes the tranny is shot but I have a line on at least 3 maybe 4 boxes to put in.  I have decided that right now i need to just get it up and ruinning and worry about it later.  Down the road i am going to swap out to an automatic for health reasons and to hold the power when i boost the motor as this little trans may take one or two shots at the higher lever and scatter itself.

So what do i have for you today????  Well I installed my SPAL Thermostatic radiator electric fan controller.  First i would recommend the SPAL kit as very high quality. i got it all wired and here is a picture of it.  Most of the wiring is hidden but you can make out the relay in the pass corner by the hood hinge.


Here is the link to some more pictures of it.
http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/new%20motor/

So what is next?  I just ordered the Ford inertia shut off switch for an Escort that i am going to wire in for my electric fuel pump.  Depending on how that goes I am also planning to re-wire my fuel pump with a bigger gauge wire like it should have.  The idiots put in 18 gauge wire and I  know that won't last.

PS: I almost forgot, that is the new motor a 85 Factory turbo long block.

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hellfirejim

Damn these little cars, if it is not one thing it is another.  On the last test run of the new motor the trans is not able to select first gear.  I saw that the adjuster ring had backed off and the shifter was just wobbling around.  Now I need to find out about that.

Also working on installing the temp controlled on/off for the radiator electric fan.
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popbumper

Jim:

  Good to hear from you, Godspeed on your project >and< your health! Thanks for keeping us up to date!!

Chris
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71pintoracer

Glad to hear things are going well all the way around Jim! Sounds like you will be crusin' in the Pinto very soon.  :fastcar:  ;D  ;D  ;D
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hellfirejim

Well more good news.  I stopped back at the shop and they fired up the Pinto.  It fired at the touch of the key, idled smooth, had good oil pressure and almost 20 inches of vacuum.  So the thermostatic controller for the fan gets installed and then off to get the exhaust done when i can come up with the money.  When that is done I am going to install my wideband that I have and then drive the hell out of it to sort out any bugs.
jim
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Pinturbo75

glad to hear jim, keep on truckin, errr pintoin.... you know what i mean!! ;D
75 turbo pinto trunk, megasquirt2, 133lb injectors, bv head, precision 6265 turbo, 3" exhaust,bobs log, 8.8, t5,, subframe connectors, 65 mm tb, frontmount ic, traction bars, 255 lph walbro,
73 turbo pinto panel wagon, ms1, 85 lb inj, fmic, holset hy35, 3" exhaust, msd, bov,

hellfirejim

No pictures today just some good news.  I still have a job and they started back in working on the motor to stick back in the Pinto.  Also the latest results for the cancer tests show a very little activity.  So life is good.
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hellfirejim

The oil pan and pickup came today.  looks real good.  here is picture:



here is the link for the new [to me] motor on the engine stand and a picture of the blownup motor.

http://s93.photobucket.com/albums/l66/hellfirejim/Engines%20and%20oil%20pan%20new/

Until more happens or this weekend when i take the short block out of the truck and pack it away in the shed.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385


hellfirejim

I forgot to tell you about the oil pan.  It came from a friend of mine on the delayed payment plan until i learn it I have a job or not by the end of the month.  It is the real deal and you can see the rest of the pictures at the above link.  It will go back into the box until i can build "the" motor.
jim
It's a good day to be alive!
PCCA Pinto Number #385