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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

'74 Wagon Project (Now with link to photos)

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78pinto

if they are giving you this much grief....i'd just cut them! Cutting metal with fire always make you feel more manly! ;D
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Poison Pinto

DAY 5 (May 20) Well, I gave the threads another soaking over night (this would make the 3rd night's worth), and hit them with the propane torch...yet again (even though I've repeatedly tried heating/soaking, I still want to thank Boss for the suggestions). No luck.  >:( This is what gets me: I work on an oil well service rig. I'm used to dealing with big honking bolts that are rusted from years of exposure (and neglect). I'm used to spraying penetrating oil on the threads and I know all about heating up the threads with a torch (or a hammer). So why I nearly pull the car off its jack stands and can't get a single bolt to give confounds me. I'm beginning to wonder if there isn't something else I need to do first. I've never had this much problem with a rear end before.

Anyway, I dropped the rear spring brackets and shocks on both sides. Now all that's left is the front mounts on the springs. :-\ Guess I'll wind up replacing the springs along with the axle.

Just for good measure, I pulled the roof rack. At least I have some feeling of accomplishment for the day.  ::)
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

straw boss

Soak the threads with penetrating oil and let them sit overnight.  It may help to put some heat on the nut with a propane torch before you start to loosen them.
'80 Sedan, 2.3, EFI, Electromotive TEC3, 75 shot N2O, Esslinger Alum. D port head, 5 speed, 3.55, 15x7 Mustang "10 hole" rims.  Continual project.

Poison Pinto

DAY 4 (May 19): After much poor weather and late hours at work, I get a chance to work on the wagon again. Decide to pull the rear end. Unfortunately, the U-bolts that hold the axle to the springs are bolted on too tight for anything I've got. A good dose of WD-40, followed by a drenching in PB Blaster and still not one will budge. I pulled out the 1/2" breakover drive with a cheater pipe. Nada. So I unbolted the rear spring bracket and pulled the shock on the driver's side. Got to the front spring mount and that bolt didn't budge.  :-\

Anybody have a suggestion what I can do to drop the axle? I'm about ready to just cut through the U-bolts.  >:(
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

Poison Pinto

I'm planning on using an M-II 8" rear just for the ease of installation. Thanks for the info on that. I want to use the car as a "daily driver" to and from work (about 30 highway miles one-way). I also want to do some local cruising because this car is intended to be seen (and heard).

DAY 3 (May 14, 2004): Again, because my employer seems to believe that if the sun's up, I should be working for him, I didn't have a lot of time before dark. Still, I easily pulled the seats and factory shag(!) carpet out of the interior.

The headliner is nearly 100% (only a 1/2" tear near the edge over the back seat), so that will stay. The door panels and other interior plastic pieces are also in serviceable condition. Because of this, I'll paint the exposed metal parts of the interior black and the rest will remain its original green. The original car color was T4 (I call it "pea green"). I plan on painting the exterior chartreuse green (the color of the monitor screen icon or IM scroll icon when you're online). I'm hoping it doesn't clash!  :P
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

78pinto

yes the 8 inch is a stout piece when set up correctly (my buddy tom has run 11's with his 351w and a 4:11 geared 8 inch) the 8.8 should fit, its 1/2 inch wider on each side that the 8 inch, but it was meant for coil springs and a totaly different mounting arrangemeant. You would have to cut off the coil perches and mounting flanges and add on some leaf perches in the proper area. Gears.....depends on what tranny your running and what you wanna be able to do with the car (highway driving, racing, local cruising) if you go with a T5  5 speed you can go with a 4:11 and still be able to cruise out on the highway with ease!
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Poison Pinto

Will an 8" M-II be able to handle the torque (I'd think it should, it's only a 302, but what do I know)? Conversely, will an 8.8" bolt into my wagon without chassis mods?

And another question: since I don't plan on racing with the vehicle, would it be better to go with 3.55 or 3.73 rear end ratio? I want to go faster than the local authorities deem proper, but I don't need to go as steep as 4.10 or 4.11.
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

78pinto

8 inch rear out of a mustang II  ('74 to '78)  5 liter mustangs have 7.5 in earlier '79 to '85 ish later ones '86 to current have 8.8  they are a completely different animal! ;D
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Poison Pinto

Okay. A T5 tranny and 8" rear end from a 5.0L Mustang (Makes note on "To Buy" list).

Side note: the current engine is a 2.3/140 cid.

DAY 2 (May 12, 2004): Only a couple hours between work and dark. Pulled the hood, grill, and both front fenders. (My goodness, how many of those blasted bolts do they need?) One thing's for sure, the car may blow sky high but the front fenders aren't going anywhere!

Next on the "to do" list is to pull the seats and strip the interior. I'm planning to redo the interior in black and reskin the front seats in leather (have I mentioned I have millions to spend on this project? ::)). The back seats aren't going back in...the wells in the floor pan back there look like they'd be a good place to set a couple 18" or 24" subwoofers.... 8)
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

78pinto

sounds like entertainment!  C5 tranny is an automatic, a decendant of the C4. For a 302 you want a T5 standard tranny from a 5 liter mustang, make sure its from a 5 liter when you find one!
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Poison Pinto

Finally.... It's been about a month since I bought my '75 Pinto wagon and today I had the time and assistance to get the vehicle towed home.

I took all sorts of pictures and will post them on the board here in a few days when I have them developed. I'm sure all of you can hardly wait.  :P

This is going to be kind of my progress diary, so bear with me.

DAY 1 (May 11, 2004): With assistance, the car gets towed to its new home. The journey was quite "interesting." Only a couple things to say on that:
1) Make sure the car being towed has brakes;
2) Make sure the driver of the vehicle towing the car knows:
   a) how to keep tension in the tow strap;
   b) the hand signals you will use (especially the one for "SLOW THE @)(*&(#&$ DOWN!";
   c) that she needs to pay attention (moreso than usual) to *everything* around her and to quit gawking at the buildings she passes, playing with her hair, and driving 45 mph when the driver of the towed vehicle is signalling to slow down;
   d) not to slow down sharply and then veer left on the highway causing the towed vehicle to pass on the right and break the tow strap (thank God it wasn't a chain).

Somehow, the car got onto one of the concrete work pads in my back yard without causing death or injury or even vehicular damage. The tow strap is, um, an unfortunate casualty. I took pictures of the vehicle from straight-on and 3/4 views. Also took pictures of the engine. These will be posted soon (when they're developed).

I jacked the car up onto jack stands and removed the front wheels just as darkness fell.

Regarding the original post of this thread, I know the following from reading the multitude of posts on this site:

0) Yes. Or at least the parts are interchangeable, which is really the main concern.

1) Maybe beefier front springs, but otherwise none.

2) Still curious about what transmission is in the Pinto. Perhaps a C3? Or would it be a C5? I don't know transmission IDs at all. All I know is it's a manual bolted to a 4-banger.

3) I'll probably bolt in an 8" Mustang II rearend.

4) Not going to worry about it. I'll just use the 4-bolt alloy sport rims.
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.

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Okay, I recently acquired a pea-green '75 Pinto wagon. The body is in reasonably good shape (no dents, plenty of rust). I intend to modify it to resemble the "Poison Pinto" die cast Hot Wheels car from the late 1970s (lime green, engine sticking up out of the hood, blanked windows, etc). Unfortunately my job has prevented me from having an opportunity to get the car to my own shade tree, and where it sits I haven't had much of a chance to look over the mechanicals to see what's what.

Soooo....

Although I've rebuilt and replaced engines and transmissions, my "expertise" with auto mechanics is replacing part A with another part A, this is my first attempt at a conversion. Basically, I need to know the following info:

0) Is the Pinto mechanically/structurally any way similar to the Mustang II?

1) What modifications (if any) will I need to make to the front end to support an '85 302? (I did catch the King Cobra mount PNs from another post, thanks!)

2) Will a C5 tranny mount up without major rework or is there a different manual tranny that I should use?

3) Does a 9" rear end bolt right in, or does this require significant modification?

4) What is the easiest 5-hole hub conversion?

Yeah, I realize all these are old-hat mods for some of you, but it will help me significantly to have these main points in one place to refer to.

And, yes, I'll post some before/during/after pics once I get the little gem out of the field where I found it.

Thank you for your time and your help.
I left my Pinto in front of my house last night. This morning there were two more left with it.