Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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dave1987

Well I couldn't track down where it's coming from on the OUTSIDE, but I did see where it is dripping on the INSIDE. The left most dash mounting tab underneath the windshield gasket lip. That's a mouth full! lol

Here are some pictures:

1) Dripping Point
2) Direction of water travel
3) Final dripping point onto the floor
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks man. I know my rear window leaks a little bit. Just waiting to find either a good gasket that I can pump with sealant after installing, or some good glass. If I find good glass, I'll just break my rear window (it's terribly scratched as it is :() and replace the glass, reusing the original gasket with sealant.

Rear window does leak to badly right now, only in a really bad down pour.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

TIGGER

Good luck man.  I struggled for quite some time to get my crusing wagon water tight.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dave1987

Gonna try tackling the water leak under the dash again today, after work. With all of the rain, the driver's side floor mat (rubber) fills with a puddle of water, every night. :(

When I did the heater core, I removed the rest of the rotted insulation that was under the dash. What used to be a thick insulating material had turned into a crumbling wonder of brown fluff! This insulation used to be stuck under the dash along the wiper post section of the cowl, so I am suspecting the wiper post seals are gone.

I will be pulling the wiper posts and the motor to replace the seals with some nice ones I pulled from the 78 bobcat this spring, and I will be putting some sealant on them to just to make sure it doesn't keep leaking. My windshield gasket has a few small cracks, but nothing really bad. I sealed it up with some silicone sealant last year and it didn't help at all, so my strongest bet is the fresh air ducts or the wiper system.

Wish me luck!

On a side note, I did get the good insulation from the 78 bobcat this spring as well, which I will be sticking up there once I am sure it's not leaking.


For the pictures below, the first one is of the old insulation from the cowl. The left is the old deteriorated crap, and the right is the good material from the bobcat.

Second picture is what I found in the heater box when I tore it down. Not to bad for 31 years!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Thanks Chuck! Nope, not the whole car, but you can definitely tell where it has been painted if you are really admiring the car. It's pretty dark compared to the trunk lid, but the guy did a great job blending the paint across the quarter panel up to the door!

The mist from the clear coat was ALL OVER the car though, which was not fun to buff off. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Looks very good! You didn't need to respray the whole car after the quarter repair, huh?

Congrats on passing your emissions test!

:afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

The paint is actually a 1992 Jeep color, Canyon Blue. My brother repainted it in autobody class during highschool.

Sherwin Williams - Ultra 7000 Series Paints
1992 - 1992 Jeep - Code: AY96KC3
Canyon Blue Metallic


That's the paint type for those of you interested!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

I agree, it looks great!!

That is the color of Pinto I need to find, but it needs to be a 71-73 sedan!! LOL Once I find that one, my search for Pintos will be over! Ok, I'm hoping LOL! Anyway, your Pinto's color is the color my parents had when I was younger and I'd like to build one to look just like theirs!  ;D
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

smallfryefarm

Smallfryefarms Horsepower Ranch

dave1987

Needed to post some updated shots! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

TIGGER

Yup the pass side wiper post is what took out my pass side floor pan in my crusing wagon.  I used that black clay caulk stuff from 3m to seal both posts.  It comes in a small box with a bunch of 12 inch or so strips
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

dave1987

I got the heater core changed out yesterday after receiving my 73 wagon.

Replacing the core was a five hour task, less than I expected actually!

I redid the seals on everything and new hoses as well.

It doesn't heat up any quicker than before, but it doesn't stink anymore!

I can't fully test how well it works once the thermostat opens, since the car won't heat up to 190 degrees with the weather we have had (to cold outside). It gets up to 160, and stays around there. If I drive 35 mpg in third gear for long enough it eventually gets up to 190 where the thermostat pops open, but quickly cools back down enough to sit at 160-170, after wards.


While having the heater box out, I did a visual inspection of the firewall from the inside, the cool air intake hole as well as the cowl from inside. No rust at all from the inside, and I cannot find any traces of water leakage on the passenger side. I'm thinking the leakage I have on the driver's side may be coming from the wiper posts.

What material should I replace the existing wiper post seals with?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Haha, I guess you saw my post in pintogirl's thread! :P

I'm guessing it's plugged up or something. I hope it helps, I really do!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

good luck and maybe that will fix the heat problem  mine gets very hot in only a few minutes  like less than 5
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

I'm planning to remove it the way Haynes instructs. Unbolting the blower motor from the outside of the firewall, then disconnecting the defrost ducting, following up by removing the entire box assembly while pulling the hoses through the firewall. Seems easy enough, but nothing on this car is. lol

I do plan to remove the passenger seat, glove box door and insert as well as the under-dash AC shield I installed, so as to gain easier access during the removal procedure.

Once the box is out, it's off to A Radiator King in boise to have them pressure test the replacement core (they only charge $5!), and then to O'Reilly's to get new hoses.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

good luck and most recomend removing the seat  better access  while laying on your back working under the dash.
phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

Eww! Pinto smells strongly like antifreeze inside the car when the heater is first turned on and very slowly dissipates. Looks like it's time to swap out the heater core for the spare I pulled from the Bobcat year year. :( Not looking forward to this next Wednesday.  :'(

I'll take the spare down to Radiator King and have them pressure test it and clean it. In the mean time, I will pull the heater assembly out and clean it all out (I'm sure it's full of crud) and fix the door seal.

Anything special I should know aside from what's in the Haynes manual?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Here's a picture of my car at the local Patty's Burger Time Cruise Night I frequented every Saturday this summer (2009). We had a professional photographer there every other week and I managed to get my car in a few shots. Unfortunately, this is the best of the ones with my car in it. What matters is that it's getting some attention! :D

http://hotrodhigh.zenfolio.com/p403991680/h38d146c3#h38d146c3
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Yay!!!!!!!  Always excited when a Pinto clears an obstacle.  Congratulations.

Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dga57

Quote from: dave1987 on October 22, 2009, 08:41:34 PM
My Pinto passed emissions again this year! YAY! Only took one try this year instead of 13 tries! :P

New Air Filter
New Oil
Retarded Timing A Few Degrees
Fuel Air Mixture Leaned Out (Until motor shivvers)
Adjusted Curb Idle To Compensate For Lean Mixture

Easy as pie this year! :)

Now I just need to get those photos up!  :mad:

Congratulations to you AND your Pinto!!! :drunk:

Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dave1987

My Pinto passed emissions again this year! YAY! Only took one try this year instead of 13 tries! :P

New Air Filter
New Oil
Retarded Timing A Few Degrees
Fuel Air Mixture Leaned Out (Until motor shivvers)
Adjusted Curb Idle To Compensate For Lean Mixture

Easy as pie this year! :)

Now I just need to get those photos up!  :mad:
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Well my adventure has been put on hold. Not enough money for gas. Yeah it's only about $15 in gas to get around to these places, but right now that's what I am using in four days of driving to and from work. :(

I WILL get these pictures done before the end of the year, I promised myself (more like a new year thing) that I would.

Finances are really bad right now. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Taking all those pix, in front of hold homes and businesses, is something like I would like to do.  Great idea...I still have some of the old shops around where I live, where I use to have work done and such.  I'm gonna do the same thing....I really enjoy going into my past, and remembering my childhood.  It was a great one..I was fortunate.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Roof rack plans put on hold. The roof strips have the mounting strips inside of them rusted away at the hold down points, so I will either be finding some inner strips in better shape, or modifying them to make them work.

Saturday is the car show, I will be cleaning up the car tomorrow to get it ready.

I will be going out to Emmett in the next couple days (Sunday after noon) to take picture of the car at the dealership where it was purchased. On the way home, I will meet up with the owners of my mother's old house in Eagle and see if they won't mind me taking some pictures of the car in front of their home that are similar to the ones my mom gave me. After that I will be heading back to Meridain and take a picture of the car at my cousin's old Cheveron Service Station which is now a flower shop. It is where my mom had 99.9% of all the service dones on the car. Last stop will be just down the raod from where I am currently living to get a picture of the car in front of my parent's first home where I grew up playing in the car. I will post pictures when I get them uploaded and touched up. :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

75bobcatv6

yeah they Secure with tube nuts and the racks on the wagon and hatch/trunk are the same

discolives78

Hey Dave!

In my experience with the wagon roof rack, there's a 'tube nut' similar to what holds the mirror on the car that the screws secure to. The wagon didn't have any additional supports in the roof. We took a rack off my mom's 82 Escort wagon and put it on her 80 Granada, the rack should flex some, I'd think. Move it around to see how it looks before you screw it down.

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Well I am back on the road again! The car still needs a new steering rack and windshield gasket, but all in due time.

I managed to nab a roof rack from a wagon for $14.99, but I am not sure if it will fit well on a Sedan. Is it possible?

Also, the roof strips "under" the rack are two pieces; the chrome on top and the securing bracket inside it. The two inner strips have the inside securing bracket rusting into pieces at the mounting points. Is there any way to repair this or should I just look for two new strips??

I only plan to put a roof rack on the car since the clear coat on the roof is peeling madly and just looks ugly. The roof rack should detur a lot of it, but I see myself using it a lot in the end.

One more note on the roof rack. Do I need to reinforce anything from the inside to keep the roof from collapsing when items on placed on it?
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

I'm up and running Dave! :fastcar:


Hope you will be soon. Best wishes! :)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Thanks r4! I'm just glad she's still in one piece. I'm in a slightly similar situation as Chuck right now. Registration expired on her and I can't afford to re-register, so she's sitting in the parking lot at my apartment complex getting paint misting buffed off her and the bumpers removed and slightly buffed. I plan to replace the scratched up door handles while she's parked, as well as fix my seat belt buzzer wiring. Hopefully she will be back on the road soon, it's depressing seeing her bake in the summer sun and not go anywhere. :(
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

r4pinto

Dave, looks good. It's still a shame but atleast it wasn't any worse than it was.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress