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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Restoring my 78 Sedan

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dave1987

I have a crazy mind for cross referencing things....

I found the CORRECT style of ashtray light from a 78 Thunderbird. It mounts "inside the dash" on top of the hole in the top of the ash tray.

I went through about 40% of the 70s Ford/Lincoln/Mercury cars looking for an ashtray light, and most of them had it, but it was a light that hung down inside the ashtray from a plastic retainer.

I will try to get pictures, but have no batteries for the camera right now.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

If you come across another ashtray light, I'm looking for one! I haven't looked at the wiring too much yet, my glove box light is just filling the hole. I have the wire to the pass dome light switch, but haven't gone looking for the plug (it should be high on the right under the dash near the windshield), I'm waiting on cashflow for switches from ssc. I seem to recall not finding a plug for a factory radio on my car, but I can't remember looking that hard  ??? I just hooked the wire under one side of the radio fuse in the fuse box and used an inline fuse.

Chuck



A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

larjohnson

Dave1987, you get the light thing figured out, maybe you can help me connect the cables back up for my heat/defrost.  Thankfully, I have the 1972 Pinto to use a model.  I can look to see how it's done, maybe I can get the 1971's hooked up okay.  Guess we'll see.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

I got the pump from an early 80s Mercury Grand Marquis, and the Pinto correct pulley from a late 70s Lincoln Continental! What a combo, huh? :P

I also found a couple glove box lights with the switch, as well as the ashtray lighting. Just need to figure out how to wire them up now! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Hey Dave:

My car has the original pump. It sounds like it's on oxygen when you listen under the hood. psh...psh...psh...psh. Other than that it doesn't make noise, but now I know what to listen for! ;D

Exhaust is on my list too. I wanna do the same thing, header and bigger exhaust. My exhaust is all original except the cat. I had it replaced 4 years ago, but the heat shield rattles and the tube hanging out the side (about 3/4 inch) doesn't go anywhere. My car sounds like it has an exhaust leak. The pipe is pretty rotted but the original muffler is there. You should post a u-tube video when it's done so I can see how it sounds! Money is an issue for me too, once again we're in the same boat!

My goal with my car: Luxury feel and Sports performance! (A bit of a sleeper too!)

Chuck :afro:


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

Pinto gets a replacement smog pump today, going out to the junk yard to get a good replacement. The one in the car is the original, and is clicking very loudly (bearing going out). I figure I'll swap it out before it seizes and breaks the belt!

I purchased a Pinto correct 77/78 front valance from CarlHarris (member here) yesterday, as well as a tube header with a 2.75" outlet on it! :o I will hopefully have the valance repainted and installed in the next couple weeks, and the header will be going on the car when I have the exhaust line rebuilt. The exhaust will be redone with new 2 1/2" pipe, new catylitic converter as well as a flowmaster 40 series muffler. Should have it sounding MUCH more throaty and closer to a V8 at idle, as I am wanting. Exhaust will be at year from now at the most, but if I can scrounge together the money to do it sooner, I will have it done by the end of the year! :D
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

The Pony got a new pace maker today....Alternator was on it's way out and clicking. Lifetime warranty exchange is helpful! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Chuck started a thread of his car when he first got it, showing his car in the "unmolested" state before he started any work on it. This gave me enough motivation to get the photos up, of my car, before it was ever driven on the road, and one of her with her first new car.

She requested to be blurred out of the photos, and I did that of my grandmother as well. The salesman (Dave), I think should be fine though.

I left them in as high a resolution as I could without destroying the photo quality. They have some spots on them due to the scanner's dirty glass, but the photos themselves are just like new!

Just think, how often do you get to see photos of your own Pinto, back when it was purchased at the dealership, and before it ever had plates on it? I find these pictures to be quite meaningful to the history of the car, and gives it just that much more character.

It's not much, but it is all I have of it right now. There are more photos, but perhaps I will get those from my mother for my b-day this year, like I did these ones last year!

Yes, that is a Mustang II in the background, another one of the cars I hope to own and restore one day. :P

Emmett Ford, the dealership, has since been closed. However the lot it sat on, and the office building, are still there. I plan to take my Pinto back down to Emmett this summer, sit the car where it was in these pictures, and take some updated shots with my 35mm in both black and white, and color film. I think it would add some interesting shots of the car for it's photo album.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

dholvrsn: The radio plate came out of an 80 wagon I had about 4 years ago, it was modified (poorly) before, so I didn't mind finishing the job to add a cd player. I cut the roof off that wagon and used it as my yard truck for a year. It was liquidated with other cars and property when my illness started getting out of hand and I had to move in with my brother (no space for 4 Pinto's, an 87 Mustang 4 cyl and an 85 Ranger Pickup (also 2.3).

Dave: The dash looks awesome. I agree with you that the black/silver look goes very nicely with your car. Keep up the good work! :D

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

dave1987

And a shot of the new dash look. What do you guys think?

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

Got the dash done today, and I think it came out great! It isn't perfect, but it looks really good. I will redo it when I change the windshield gasket and the dash for the spare one I have in storage.

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dholvrsn

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larjohnson

Hey!!!!! the gauge cluster looks fantastic :amazed:.  Never used the metallic sharpie, that should help me restore my instrument cluster and heater control panel.  I was wondering how I was going to fill in the silver areas which had rubbed off.  I just love this web site, I find a lot of useful information from others.  By the way, your car is fantastic.  Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Good to hear that this will provide a reference for others! The one noticeable thing that I will be doing, is sinking the face of the gauges into the trim, rather than having the black trim of my gauges sit "on top" of the trim.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Very cool Dave! I just installed the a/c style console in my car, I'm planning to put gauges in the opening where the heater control would be, but hadn't figured out how I would trim the face. That's inspirational, and I may 'borrow' your technique to create a face for my gauges. ;)



This is before I added the wood trim from a 72 to cover the hole.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

pintogirl

Wow, that looks great Dave!!!! Now that you are a pro, I will have to find another dash piece to send to you, so you can make me one!!!! LOL I am getting used to the gauges being in the dash, may keep them in there now!!!! LOL Just need to find a clock or amp gauge!!!! LOL

Good work!!!

Kim

Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Well here is the work completed so far:

I cut out the holes with a hole saw slightly smaller than the face of the gauges, then used a file to enlarge them. Well, the plastic is softer than I anticipated and it ended up distorting the holes in spots, and I had to patiently fix the problem areas with bondo, a small razor blade, and some 320 grit sandpaper.

After the fine repairs, I painted it using satin black Krylon plastic paint, "drew" the silver stripes on with the metallic sharpie, and then clear coated with Krylon satin clear coat. A few of hours later, here is what I got:

1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I am "extending" the plastic around the inside of the holes to round them out after the rough filing job. So far it is coming along great. I'm taking my time with this so it comes out right. I would get frustrated and have to do it all over again if I kept looking over at my temp/oil pressure/volt meter gauges and seeing it all messed up.

I will post pics when the panel is done, as well as once it is secured to the dash!
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

I did use a hole saw, but the gauge face is slightly larger than any of the hole saws available, so I used a file to make the holes slightly larger where needed. Now the holes are rough around the top edges and too big in some spots. Somehow, I need to fill in the empty space, as it looks really tacky.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

phils toys

What are you using to cut the holes?  I would  use a hols saw and a drill press  with a block of wood behind (under) it should give you a very nice clean hole.

Hole saw kit at harbor freight  on sale  about $5
Phil
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
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2011,2014 pinto stampede

dave1987

I got the seat hinge covers on, with some effort. The steel (or is it iron) they use for the pivoting elbow on the seats is very hard to tap. I drilled the holes for the screws starting at the smallest bit, then working my way up to 1/8". Once I was there, I had to tap the hole for the securing screws, and ended up BREAKING one of the tapping bits! I had to get another big and re-drill the hole elsewhere. Lucky me, the one I started with was actually off by 1/8"!

Right now the seat hinge covers do nothing cosmetically, aside from the small bottom half of the hinge that shows past the seat covers. I can't wait to get my original seats re-upholstered!



I started on the dash panel that pintogirl sent me. I have the wood grain polished off, touched up the silver edging, did the cut outs for the gauges, and mounted the Pinto dash emblem. Only one problem, two of the three gauge holes are messy around the top and I need to find some way to make some cleaner looking. I'm thinking of pulling out the Bondo and adding to the holes to make them smaller, then sand away what is necessary to make it look right. I'll get it figured out some how, but any tips would be greatly appreciated.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

dave1987

They do ride quite smoothly for a compact sedan of the 70s. The only thing I might change would be softer shocks....Classic brand are pretty stiff. I wouldn't mind some Koni's. 8)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

pintogirl

Quote from: dave1987 on February 23, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
Thanks Larry, and glad to be of help!

I just got back (about 2 minutes ago) from dropping the Pinto off at Les Schwab for a thrust alignment. First time the car has been in a shop in nearly 11 years!!!!

I'm worried about other people touching, er, working on her, and have this nervous anticipation feeling in my stomach. I think pintogirl and blupinto would know what I'm talking about! lol

I can't wait to get her home and drive her with the new front end! :D


UPDATE: The car is home again, and drives straight when I let go of the wheel! :D The only adjustment they had to do is the toe out and pull it in a bit, drives like new now! :)

Yah, I know what you mean. Hubby's kid installed my windshield when I wasn't home and he put the chrome trim on. I wasn't happy about that. I would have prefered to do that myself. In fact I did take it all back off and re did it because he had it on wrong.

Congrats on the like new ride!!!! I have to say that hubby was quite suprised on how the Pinto rides. He said that if felt more like a luxury car!!!

Kim             
Kim
www.pintobuyersanonymous.com

I have come to realize that I am powerless to cuteness of a rusty old Pinto.

Sacramento CA

dave1987

Thanks Larry, and glad to be of help!

I just got back (about 2 minutes ago) from dropping the Pinto off at Les Schwab for a thrust alignment. First time the car has been in a shop in nearly 11 years!!!!

I'm worried about other people touching, er, working on her, and have this nervous anticipation feeling in my stomach. I think pintogirl and blupinto would know what I'm talking about! lol

I can't wait to get her home and drive her with the new front end! :D


UPDATE: The car is home again, and drives straight when I let go of the wheel! :D The only adjustment they had to do is the toe out and pull it in a bit, drives like new now! :)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Dave:

Hey thanks, but since I know the Mustangs and Fairmonts have them, I too will look locally.  If I don't find them, I'll let you know.  I already have one, which I got with the purchase of the seats in Greenfield, but one was missing.  If I can at least find them for the 1971 I'll be happy.  Thanks for your help, I was wondering what I was going to do about those covers, as I really wanted them.  Your car looks great.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

dave1987

Thanks larry and beegle55!

Larry, I found my seat hinge covers at the junk yard. They came off a 79' Mustang, but I also noticed that the fairmonts at the junk yard have them too, so they would be worthy candidates too! If you like, I can go out and pull a set when the weather clears (it's raining here for the next few days).

The set I am going to be using is originally white, but I am painting them black using some SEM paint.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

larjohnson

Dave:  The air conditioner shield looks fantastic!!!!!  You have a sweet little Pinto there.  I too want to put the seat hinge covers on (not sure if that's what you call them), but I only have one (for the 1971).  Did you get yours at a salvage yard?  Or did you purchase them as new old stock?  I'd like to purchase some for both my Pintos, could you tell me how you acquired them?  I went to the shop yesterday, and they're still working on the ball joints of the 1971.  I'm really hoping to bring her home by next weekend. Once the weather breaks, I'll be working on her till she looks new again.  I'm hoping to take her to her first car show in April.  Anyway, keep up the good work, you've got a great piece of Ford history there.   Larry :police:
Had a 1971 trunk model in High School, wanted another for old times sake, just purchased another in Washington State, very nice restore project.  I also own an all original 1972 Ford Pinto Runabout, one owner, always garaged, with 33,000 actual miles.  Life is SWEET!!!!

beegle55

Good work! The shield looks great and I'm glad to hear that your Pinto will be in great driving condition soon! Fun times await...

   -beegle55
2005 Jeep GC 5.7 HEMI
1993 Ford Mustang
1991 Ford Mustang GT
1988 Ford Mustang
1980 Ford Pinto Cruising- Mint, Fully documented
1979 Ford Pinto Trunk- 2.3L 4 speed
1978 Ford Pinto HB- 302 drag car
1976 Ford Pinto Runabout- 40,000 mi, V6
1972 Ford Maverick Grabber (real)
1970 Ford Mustang 302

dave1987

Thanks for the compliment Chuck! I'm sure you will find one, it is just a matter of time. I will keep an eye out as well.


I got the ball joints done yesterday afternoon. Scheduled an alignment for Monday at 10AM, and I will also be asking them to install the new rack and pinion bellows, as I have had enough with pickle forks for one year, lol.

Once that's done, the car will be road-trip-worthy again! Bring on the summer cruise nights! 8)
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

discolives78

Thanks for the advice (hopefully I'll see another one someday). The interior looks great! I like the hybrid shifter and the way the MII console nestles the factory cubby hole.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.