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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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douglasskemp

FYI, I just sent a message.  Waiting for response.  Will post if/when I get one.
--Doug
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

77turbowagon

Quote from: douglasskemp on July 25, 2007, 12:45:52 PM
77turbowagon,
Did you want me to contact him through MySpace, or would you prefer to do it yourself?  I will wait to hear from you before I do anything since this really is between the two of you.  Realize of course that I have no problem being a moderator of sorts if you deem it necessary.

--Doug

Well I'm not to fimilar at all with myspace and I'm sure it's not dailup friendly. I've pretty much accepted that I'm not going to see a dime from this guy so if you want to go ahead. I really do appreciate all of y'alls support on this matter. To bad it couldn't be resolved but I believe this guy has already made up his mind that he isn't going to pay up no matter how much he's nagged about it.
Thanks guy for the Support.

douglasskemp

77turbowagon,
Did you want me to contact him through MySpace, or would you prefer to do it yourself?  I will wait to hear from you before I do anything since this really is between the two of you.  Realize of course that I have no problem being a moderator of sorts if you deem it necessary.

--Doug
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

bob55

It can't hurt to give it a try.....I did something of the sort a few years back when I got ripped off.  I'd sent payment for parts, first he had a family emergency, then a storm, then his car was broken into on the way to UPS.....it took over a year, but I finally got cash back in the mail, 100%. 
In a quandry......

Cookieboystoys

Quote from: douglasskemp on July 24, 2007, 10:42:42 AM
He came back the first time to attempt to defend himself because I found him on MySpace and told him he ought to take a look at the site again.  Maybe I should try again?

I was thinking of doing the same thing last night as I was looking at his myspace account.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

douglasskemp

He came back the first time to attempt to defend himself because I found him on MySpace and told him he ought to take a look at the site again.  Maybe I should try again?
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

bob55

I agree with you about needing an additional way to verify if someone's a deadbeat or just a plain a*****e, and like you said it's easy to contact someone outside of the message board, and just email and say "A friend of mine says you have......"  The klondikes are few and far between, but it only takes one to really leave a sour taste!
In a quandry......

Cookieboystoys

also to be considered... easy to change user name/email address and pretend he's a new member... or just contact someone direct for a part they are offering without using his FordPinto user name. Perhaps his real name and the city/state he resides in should be posted. I would hate to offer something for sale and have this person offer to by it. Would be a little harsh to post his home address and phone # and that should be avoided. However, I think we should all have the oppertunty to avoid this person if at all possible.
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

turbowagonman

Well think about it.......with just this one post about bluefordpinto being so bad even if he looks on this site at all do you think he would have the cohnoes to even post? I know if I did see a recent post from him I would slam the he!! out of him on that post!
All of us "Pinto People" stick together because we all have car's that are just not around anymore   :'( and when someone pulls one over on a fellow Pinto Person we get even. That's just not cool!!!!

Mean People SUK

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77turbowagon

Quote from: 78pinto on July 19, 2007, 11:51:33 PM
any update on this situation?

No update and expect the situation to go unchanged.

Thanks p84 for your comment and I agree that we need a "poop" list.

p84

I think this site should have a "POOP" list. I reciently have restored a 78 and bought many parts off this site. I can't say enough about all the great people I've come in contact with. Whats so hard about being honest, if you buy a part, PAY FOR IT. No bull---t excusess about a "I bought it for a friend" or any thing else. I go to car shows and brag about how great the site and the people are on it. So, its a great place, lets have a  "POOP" list, and ignore the dishonest basta--s, and live happily ever pinto. P84 has spoken.

78pinto

any update on this situation?
** Jeff (78Pinto) is Missing from us but will always be a part of our community- We miss you Jeff **

77turbopinto

He said he would pay you, but that was on APRIL FISRT, Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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turbowagonman

Quote from: 77turbowagon on July 05, 2007, 04:09:59 PM
Ok, it's been alittle over 3 months since I started this thread and haven't received anything. Money, email, PM, nothing. I think this guys friend is actually him. You know how people can be anybody they want to be online. Anyway thanks bluefordpinto ..... for ripping me off.

Man, I feel for you 77turbowagon, I know when I first read this post I didn't make mention of my dealings with this person (blefordpinto or FREIND) but I was contacted by him or her about a full set of Ign. & Locks with keys. As it turns out the box I had put everything in got burried and it slipped my mind. For once "Short Term Memory Loss" paid off!!!

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77turbowagon

Ok, it's been alittle over 3 months since I started this thread and haven't received anything. Money, email, PM, nothing. I think this guys friend is actually him. You know how people can be anybody they want to be online. Anyway thanks bluefordpinto ..... for ripping me off.

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71hotrodpinto

Hmmm CHARACTER....... Needs some. Sad really. Sorry for you 77turbo..



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77turbowagon


77turbowagon

I just received a PM from bluefordpinto saying that he is sending the money Saturday. He is covering his so called friends backside by stepping up. Thank You bluefordpinto.

71hotrodpinto

I can relate to the story 77. A ebay auction that i won but when payment time came around i ran out of money... :look: Soo i emailed him to let him know of the situation and he said fine. I recieved the part a few days later without paying and good feedback. :surprised: I then told him that i got the part and said that id still only be able to pay when i could. He said "whoops , my bad! "
I dont think i could have slept thinking that i wasnt going to pay him. I finally payed when i could a week later.

Hope you get your Cash! .... Come on blue...!


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High_Horse

Your a good guy BFP.

                                                            High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Pintony


bluefordpinto

turbo, and pintony, yes there is a "my side to the story" the steering column was not for my car, it was for a former friend of mine who said he sent you the money order, and then skipped town, im sorry you havent received payment yet, as for that, i guess i will have to eat the cost, and send you the $70 my idiot friend owes you, because it will be alot easier for me to go to him and break his legs, instead of you, so turbo, ill have it sent to you right away, and once again i appologize for the inconvieniance...just for shits and kicks, whats your address again? once again terribly sorry.  :sorry:
GET 'ER DONE!!!!!!

Pintony

OK Bluefordpinto,
I have been in this same situation B4.
Pay-UP and all is forgiven....
Do not let this get out of hand.
If you have a "your side" of the story?
Lets hear it with out getting RUDE!!!
We know sometime money gets tight.
I personally would hate to loose a member over a few bucks.
From Pintony

77turbowagon

I made a deal with bluefordpinto in November on a steering column, set a price, exchanged addresses, and I thought the deal was done. Good o' stupid me shipped him the steering column before I received payment. He emailed me saying the column arrived and that he was exceptionally happy because the paint matched and that all he would have to do is bolt it in. Great for him but I still haven't received payment for the column and it is now the end of March. After several emails and PM's asking for payment, my requests have been ignored. So now I'm out a good steering column and about $16 in shipping costs. It is partially my fault for shipping before receiving payment but I recommend to all of the honest pinto owners here not to do business with bluefordpinto. If by chance he wants to correct the situation and pay for the column as agreed, this thread will disappear.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, not going to happen.