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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Converting Manual Steering to Power Steering - Mounting hole problem

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TIGGER

79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

pintoguy76

I got it fixed today guys. The power steering works great! A HUGE thanks goes to TIGGER for telling me about the steering column that telescopes in and out, all I had to do was tap the end of the column shaft with a hammer until it went in  enough and gave me the clearance I needed for the ragjoint. Now all I need is an alignment! I'm loving that nice tight suspension!! I dont have to worry about losing a tie rod end while im driving down the freeway. That wouldnt be fun. LOL.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

douglasskemp

Quote from: billnall on April 11, 2007, 12:01:57 PM
....but I remember when I replaced my rag joint with the aftermarket kit I thought it was too thick but I had to loosen the rack bolts then bolt the rag in place then tighten the rack bolts. When the job was complete the rubber part was not straight but was bent and the metal parts almost touch each other because the rag is there for flex.
Come to think of it, I remember having to do something similar on my old 79, except we loosened the steering column.  Left the rag joint looking like an 'S' almost.  Worked great though.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

pintoguy76

I could try that. I thought about it but havnt done it yet.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

billnall

The steering column shaft is the same 74-79 for p/s and m/s.
Also the lower shaft that includes the rag joint is the same 74-79 and there is no difference between p/s and m/s for these parts.
Quote from: pintoguy76 on March 30, 2007, 05:03:53 PM
The ragjoint is too thick and so they dont match up.
You may already know this but I remember when I replaced my rag joint with the aftermarket kit I thought it was too thick but I had to loosen the rack bolts then bolt the rag in place then tighten the rack bolts. When the job was complete the rubber part was not straight but was bent and the metal parts almost touch each other because the rag is there for flex.
Ford Parts Man
Bill

pintoguy76

Oh i dont seriously plan on giving up that easy trust me. LOL. I may have to put it back together with the manual steering to drive it out of my driveway and to  place where i can work on it, but with me having as much money into this project as i have, i'm not about to seriously give up on it. I'll pull the steering column and look at others or do literally whatever it takes to get this to work. I'll keep this thread up to date so you and others can see the progress. It SHOULD have been a bolt in, thats what i was planning on, but because i had the wrong rack and pinion the first time, i had issues there, and now the gap being to small for therag joint to fit in. But after i get over that little hurdle, all should go over smooth. So far i havnt had to modify anything to get anything to bolt up, and i shouldnt have to. These cars are built to where pretty much all the provisions for most options are already on the car. For example, even tho my car came factory with only one speaker in the dash, the holes are back there in the back for some 6x9 speakers but they are just covered up. Another example is, if you have manual brakes and want to convert to power brakes, all you have to do is change the brake pedal and bracket, remove the old master cylinder, and unbolt the plate from the firewall that the master cylinder mounts from, and bolt in the correct plate and then bolt in the booster and master cylinder. With all this said, the power steering swap should be the same, i just have to find the correct parts. I've been informed that atleast some if not all pinto steering columns have an adjustment in the length of them (slide in and out) that would pretty easily take care of my problem. Like i said i'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for everything so far, guys.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

CHEAPRACER

 NOOOO! Please continue, I've been planning on doing this swap and thought it was going to be a simple bolt in. I was more worried about installing a different pump then anything. I've been watching this post and hoping to see you finish this.
Cheapracer is my personality but you can call me Jim '74 Pinto, stock 2.3 turbo, LA3, T-5, 8" 3:55 posi, Former (hot) cars: '71 383 Cuda, 67 440 Cuda, '73 340 Dart, '72 396 Vega, '72 327 El Camino, '84 SVO, '88 LX 5.0

pintoguy76

Bill, green sales CO says that part number you gave me is that metal adaptor ive been talking about. I'm gonna go ahead and order it but im not too convinced it will work. It seems as tho I about have to cut the arm in half, take 1/4" out of it, and weld it back together to get it to work.  :o Is it possible that the steering colums are different between power and manual steering cars? The only other thing it could be is that maybe the rack and pinion is still not right yet but i dont think that is the case. I'm about stumped on this. If this doesnt work, i'm going to have go back to the manual rack and pinion and I really dont want to do that. Im ready to have a nice tight suspension on that thing and with my manual rack, its quite sloppy right now.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

TIGGER

Sorry, I do not have any shorter shafts or adapters here at the house. They are the same as what you have.  The one off my 73 is even longer?  I do have some more in my storage area but it will be tuesday or Wednesday till I will be there.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

pintoguy76

It's about 9 inches. From the flange, to the part that connects to the steering column. To be exact it was like 8 and 15/16". About 7 and 15/16" from the top of the lower arm itself down to the bottom of the flange. I think it may be the adaptor that adapts the rack to the ragjoint that has the differenece but im not sure. If you could check the arms to see if you have any shorter ones, and any of the adaptors that you may have (ragjoint to power rack adaptors) thatd be great. My adaptor is 1 and 3/16" thick. It if were closer to 1 inch or so it'd give me the room i need.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

TIGGER

Measure the lenght of your shaft from the column to the ragjoint and I will see if I have one that is a little shorter.  I have a few here at the house that I can measure against.  I know the Mustang II ones are longer than the Pinto ones but I was unaware of there being a different between power steering and manual steering other than the piece that fits over the splines.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

pintoguy76

Also, i bought a new pressure hose and the nut screwed all the way in on the pump side and wouldnt tighten anymore with the wrench. The line is loose, and will wobble up and down. The instructions say that "late" ford hoses are supposed to swivel and go up and down freely without leaking but this doesnt quite seem right to me, and, is 1980 considered a late model ford? The car now has a new power steering pump, a new pressure hose and a new rack and pinion with new inner and outter tie rod ends. I wanted to go out of town with the car the next day, I had no idea this conversion would be such a pain in the A**. lol. I'm sure it will all be worth it in the end. This car desperatly needed atleast new tie rod ends and this way it'll have new tie rod ends, and power steering which is supposed to also have a lil quicker steering ratio.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

pintoguy76

I had to buy an adaptor (flange) that goes on the bottom side of the ragjoint that connects the ragjoint to the rack. However, I think there may be a few different types of those. Mine is almost 1 1/4" thick and there is no room between it and the bottom of the steering arm, for a ragjoint. That tells me something is wrong either the arm from the column to the ragjoint is too long, or the flange is too thick. As it is, the ragjoint would have to be about 1/8" thick to go in between the arm and the flange LOL. The ragjoint is about 3/8" thick so the flange or the arm need to be shorter by about 1/4" or so.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

TIGGER

The splines on the shaft are different between the power steering rack and the manual steering rack.  I think the shafts are the same but I am not 100% sure.
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

pintoguy76

Hm.... that thing must be awfully thin lol. I'll look for one.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

billnall

Ford says to use D9BZ3A525A ragjoint to make the late rack fit the 74-78 Pinto. Green sales may have some.
Quote from: pintoguy76 on March 30, 2007, 05:03:53 PM
One of the other rack and pinions bolted right up. Now the steering arm that goes from the bottom of the steering column to the ragjoint will not bolt up. The ragjoint is too thick and so they dont match up. i think i need a shorter arm, either that or the adaptor that adapts the rag joint to the  rack's input shaft is too fat....not sure which.
Ford Parts Man
Bill

pintoguy76

One of the other rack and pinions bolted right up. Now the steering arm that goes from the bottom of the steering column to the ragjoint will not bolt up. The ragjoint is too thick and so they dont match up. i think i need a shorter arm, either that or the adaptor that adapts the rag joint to the  rack's input shaft is too fat....not sure which.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

pintoguy76

Thats probably just a book for ford only parts. The parts store asks if its ford or TRW and also how long the input shaft is on the rack.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

billnall

Quote from: 77turbopinto on March 28, 2007, 08:34:55 PM
There are two different racks, the "Ford" one and TRW I think.

Don't know if that would make a difference.

Bill
I do not see any TRW racks listed for Pinto/MustangII in the Ford parts catalog.
Ford Parts Man
Bill

pintoguy76

Quote from: 77turbopinto on March 28, 2007, 08:34:55 PM
There are two different racks, the "Ford" one and TRW I think.

Don't know if that would make a difference.

Bill

I'm not sure on that either. I think mine is stamped "FORD" on it... but TRW may have stamped FORD on their units i dont know. I havnt checked to see if my old manual rack says ford on it or not.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

pintoguy76

Quote from: billnall on March 28, 2007, 06:21:51 PM
The crossmember shows to be the same 74-80 and the p/s rack&pinion shows to be the same 75-80 in the Ford parts catalog. So I would think that the bolt holes should be in the same for all Pintos with p/s. Perhaps the rack that they gave you had the wrong part in the box. The 75-78 MustangII also uses the same rack as the Pinto.
What year are you working on?

Im working on a 76. I ordered a rack and pinion for an 80 model since thats the car i got my core and the rest of the power steering parts from. Should be the same as a 76 tho. They should all be the same i'd think. My 74  has the same distance between the rack and pinion mounting bolts  as my 76 does. (16") However my 74 has only 2 bolts where my 76 has 3. Those are supposed to interchange too. Im wondering if they didnt give me the rack and pinion for a 71-72 or a 73?
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E

77turbopinto

There are two different racks, the "Ford" one and TRW I think.

Don't know if that would make a difference.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

billnall

The crossmember shows to be the same 74-80 and the p/s rack&pinion shows to be the same 75-80 in the Ford parts catalog. So I would think that the bolt holes should be in the same for all Pintos with p/s. Perhaps the rack that they gave you had the wrong part in the box. The 75-78 MustangII also uses the same rack as the Pinto.
What year are you working on?
Ford Parts Man
Bill

pintoguy76

I bought a remanufactured power rack and pinion to replace my manual rack and pinion. I also bought the brackets and all that good stuff to convert to power steering. However, after putting up a brand new power steering pump, and all the brackets and changing the alternator, i discover my brand new rack and pinion wont bolt up! The mounting holes are about 1/2" off. From center to center the mounting holes are 16" apart on both my 76 which i am working on, and my 74. The holes on the rack and pinion are about 15 and a half inches from center to center, with the bushings in place. I dont understand that. Is that just a difference between power and manual steering cars? Or is there something wrong with that new rack and pinion? If i have to elongate either or both of the holes, which one do i elongate? The new rack has 2 holes and my original unit has 3. The parts store says the computer says they interchange... but that assumes manual to manual and power to power. Help! lol. I was gonna take this car out of town tomorrow and wanted to do it with a nice tight steering instead of the sloppy steering it had. So i'm either going in my wagon, or staying home. Not sure yet. lol Any help would be appreciated guys. thnks ahead of time.
1974 Ford Pinto Wagon with 1991 Mustang DIS EFI 2.3 and stock Pinto 4 Speed

1996 Chevy C2500 Suburban with 6.5L Turbo Diesel/4L80E 4x2

1980 Volvo 265 with 1997 S-10 4.3 and a modified 700R4

2010 GMC Sierra SLE 1500 4x2 5.3 6L80E