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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Jinxter

Sorry for posting a bit late here, but Yasou!  For being in a locale where lots of parts are hard to get, your car looks great!
Beat it to fit, paint it to match...

mark78

Quote from: osiyo59 on February 19, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
Mark,
Welcome to the club :welcome:

I have a 73 Squire wagon that I picked up abou 6 months ago. It had been stored in a garage since 1981, untouched and never driven. I am going to convert the steering rack to the 72 version so I can use a aftermarket rack. If I can get it to work with the 72 rack you are more than welcome to have my old rack. I know the 73 is the oddball year for the rack. You could also try to fabricate a new bracket to utilize the 72 style rack. Thanks for the great pictures!

Rob

Many thanks Rob, that would be great!
my pinto lives in Greece since 1973...

osiyo59

Mark,
Welcome to the club :welcome:

I have a 73 Squire wagon that I picked up abou 6 months ago. It had been stored in a garage since 1981, untouched and never driven. I am going to convert the steering rack to the 72 version so I can use a aftermarket rack. If I can get it to work with the 72 rack you are more than welcome to have my old rack. I know the 73 is the oddball year for the rack. You could also try to fabricate a new bracket to utilize the 72 style rack. Thanks for the great pictures!

Rob
1966 Mercury M100 Custom Cab 5.8L EFI/AOD
1973 Pinto Wagon Daily driver (For Sale in Classifieds)
1973 Pinto Squire 2.0EFI/Turbo

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mark78

things are much easier now, because of the ebay and the internet..10 - 15 years ago it was almost impossible to find parts, only used from a couple of junkyards specialized in american cars....VERY expensive and most of the times parts in the same or worse condition of what someone already had...
the biggest problem now is the shipping cost ,  for heavy or big in size parts it is extremely high.
I am mostly looking for parts through ebay, when I find something in a good price.
I have found recently some part cars here in Athens, that could be bought for 1000 $ or so, the bad thing is that I haven't found any 73's or previous models....only 75+ :(
my pinto lives in Greece since 1973...

Cookieboystoys

yep... I would guess it's gonna be hard to find the parts where you are at, some of what you listed would be hard to find even if you were here in the USA. My guess is that you'll have to put together a shopping list of all the parts you will need and work with someone here in the states to gather parts to ship to you.. If you want to go stock and origional..

If the resources are available perhaps you can find someone willing to do mods to it and use available parts for suspension, similar to what someone did when they swapped in the cortina springs. Not my first choice, I like to stick to stock as much as possible, but that may be an easier option considering your location. Depends if you are willing or capable of doing the work yourself "or" find someone willing and capable of doing it for you. I would look to racers for help here.. dirt/road/circle track.. they would most likely have the knowledge in dealing with mods and improvements to the suspension.

I don't see anyway around having to get at least some of what you will need here in the states but perhaps w/mods to the suspension you can shorten the list. Fuel tanks should be fixable there, dash caps are available here but if you can get the dash cap off that can be recovered there. Depending on what is wrong w/the heat you may have to aquire parts for that here (USA) too..

You have an interesting project ahead of you and I wish you luck, I know how hard it was to find the parts I needed and wanted for my project. Can't imagine what it would be like if I was located where you are.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

mark78

more recent fotos 15 days ago
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my pinto lives in Greece since 1973...

mark78

First photo is about 15 days ago.Rest of the photos have been shot in 2003.In 1995 the last interior upholstery restoration
took place.
The car is moving, but has some serious-not severe- mechanical problems.

Body/rust : It is almost clean, cause most rusted parts were repaired back in 95.Only two spots left rear low fender and top roof next to the left hinge.This is easy, but expensive to fix, mostly because I ''ll have to repair some more little scrathes, etc.This will mean the car will have to be fully repainted, something that any store can do, but it would cost around 2000$.So I am waitng for the right time....

Engine/transmission : As most of you know, this car has the european 1.6 OHV engine, so it is easy to find some parts.It runs ok, no oil burning, or noise, but I feel it is a little weak in comparison to the previous years.Manual Transmission is in good condition.

Steering/suspension : This is the hard part....My steering rack is in really bad shape.Also in need to replace the front coil springs ( someone has fitted a pair of cortina springs) , and maybe bushings and ball joints in upper and lower control arms.Easy to find shock absorbers here.
Rear suspension? I don't really know, it seems ok , maybe the shock absorbers.

Brakes : this car has drum brakes front and rear ( weak spot of this model in my opinion).I have fitted new cylinders and shoes in front, and I have a remanufactured  master cylinder soon to be fitted.Drums are in very good shape.
Brakes are decently working(not excellent), the propotioning valve doesn't seem to be working very well, also have a missing pressure check valve, which means that if brakes fail, there will be no red light warning.

Also heating is not working, and I have a small leak in the fuel tank, another difficult part.
Dash cap is cracked, and rest of the upholstery is in decent condition.

I have calculated that it would cost around 6.000$ to bring this car in original, "show room" condition.I am not really sure if it is worth it, so I have decided, for a start, to repair some mechanical problems and keep it in a decent condition.


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Cookieboystoys

Nice story/history and 280,000 miles... WOW!

couple questions..

1) you said "in 1995 it became as you see it in the photos" so the question here is are the photos you posted recent or are they from 1995?

2) what is the current running condition of motor and tranny?

3) next would be brakes and suspension... condition?

Big question is... is the Pinto drivable and how well does it run and drive? What do you know of that needs to be fixed?

Since it has been in Greece since 73 and has 280,000 miles on it some parts and work must have been replaced or done in that time. Talk to those that had work done, try to piece together a history of service and repair that has been done in the past. You might find that info usefull when looking for parts as you need them.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

oldcarpierre

mark78

Welcome to the site.  You will fit right in, as most of our own relatives also think we are crazy.

oldcarpierre
1974 Medium Lime Yellow Pinto Sedan
14000 Miles - Unrestored Original in the garage
2013 Ford Taurus out in the rain

FCANON

All I can say my hats off to you for your respect for you little piece of history.
The fact that the car was well maintained shows but to keep it that way in its location and the fact it was the primary family vehicle is incredable.

Welcome to the site.
Frank
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mark78

Quote from: High_Horse on February 18, 2007, 01:44:17 AM
Mark78,
    Thanks for taking the time to send in the photos. You have a very nice car there. What is the history of that car? Did you buy it new? Who drives it the most? How many miles are on it? Does it have a name? My comments are this....Take good care of that car and enjoy it.

                                                                                                        High_Horse
                                                                                                     Wichita,Kansas
                                                                                                           USA

Thanks everyone for your good words.I am looking forward to take advice on my attempt to make it safe and reliable on the road again,I have many questions :embarrassed:.It is really difficult to maintain a car like this in Greece, for reasons, I think, everyone can imagine.
This car was imported from USA in 1973 by my father, who worked as a captain in a greek  ship.He bought it in florida, used, with only 3.000 miles on it.
It was our basic family car until 1995,when we bought a ford mondeo 1.8, and in full use until 2001 when I bought my ford focus.From that time it is hardly moving, but I couldn't throw it away, cause I love it a lot to do so.
The car has been always blue, the interior was orginally white ,later tan, and in 1995 it became as you see it in the photos.
It has been driven for approx 280.000 miles.....
I know that the 1,6 with drum brakes is a slow and hard to handle car, I don't believe I have a supercar on my hands, or a car with great money value, but for me it has high emotional value, and that is why I still own it , despite the words from friends and relatives that believe I am crazy :)

PS : I usually call it "old man" ;D


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High_Horse

Mark78,
    Thanks for taking the time to send in the photos. You have a very nice car there. What is the history of that car? Did you buy it new? Who drives it the most? How many miles are on it? Does it have a name? My comments are this....Take good care of that car and enjoy it.

                                                                                                        High_Horse
                                                                                                     Wichita,Kansas
                                                                                                             USA
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

skrach

its nice to see pintos around the world
1971 Ford Pinto Sedan. Original CA Car. Root Beer Brown. but wont be that color for long. Tired of the poop brown reputation. haha

Cookieboystoys

Looks Great! I like 73's and doing a restore to mine. You have a much nicer looking one to start with than I did. Keep us posted with what you plan on doing... we all like to hear and see progress  ;D
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

gawdzuki

Great looking Pinto. Looks very well cared for.

mark78

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mark78

some more
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mark78

Hi to all, i am posting here some photos of my 1.6 1973 runabout that has lived for 34 years in Athens , greece.
Trying to do some restore at this time, I'd like to hear your comments.
my pinto lives in Greece since 1973...