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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Pintos in movies --list

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discolives78

Ok, I didn't see it mentioned anywhere here so far, and come on you've got to know I'd have this one.  :afro:

Saturday Night Fever: John Travolta (Danny) parks his friend's Chebby behind a dark green runabout with a dark green vinyl top when he goes to help his ladyfriend ??? move.

Chuck


A virtual version of my last Pinto. Was Registered Ride #111. Missed every day.

blupinto

I watched Bernard and Doris the other night. Bernard drove a green '77 or '78 sedan or Runabout to his job intertview with Doris Duke. The poor green baby "broke down" before he quite got there.
One can never have too many Pintos!

75bobcatv6

i believe i saw one in the movie hoover deuce. 

dave1987

I just spotted a light green '73 Pinto Wagon with bumper guards in the 1986 movie "FX"! They show it very slightly from the driver's side and the camera slides in front of the car while they are at the impound lot getting stuff from the FX van.
1978 Ford Pinto Sedan - Family owned since new

Remembering Jeff Fitcher with every drive in my 78 Sedan.

I am a Pinto Surgeon. Fixing problems and giving Pintos a chance to live again is more than a hobby, it's a passion!

blupinto

What about Norma Rae? The union guy drove a '76 light blue if I recall correctly.
One can never have too many Pintos!

apintonut

74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

Reed

Last week's episode of "Supernatural" (great show) on the CW had one of the main characters driving a late model Pinto.  Of course, the episode was set in 1973, so it was technically incorrect, but there was good coverage of the Pinto, no snide Pinto comments, and the Pinto didn't get destroyed!
Looking for:  Rear and side window louvers for a 71 sedan, 15 inch aluminum slotted mags and tires (Ansen sprint style), and an Offenhauser dual-port intake for a 2000cc motor.

fomogo

Repeated views of a pinto in the lot in scenes from Hell Ride.


Jim
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Farmboy

 I don't no why I watched this movie but it has a nice runabout in it,  it's called "Cookie's Fortune"
  I do what the voices in my Pinto tell me to do




74 Pinto Wagon
71 Runabout (parts car)

lil_horse


77turbopinto

Quote from: Starsky and Hutch on August 30, 2008, 08:33:30 PM
                                                                                                                 I seen a Price is right skit on Mad tv with a 1977 Brown pinto Sedan

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Starsky and Hutch

Quote from: phils toys on January 08, 2007, 04:30:25 PM
Here is a list of movies/tv shows  ( hope this is what skrach  had in mind)
movies
Back to the Future- Yellow late model
Blues Brothers- Red wagon
Kujo -Yellow Pinto
Almost Famous-looking through the windshield of a 72 Pinto.
Escape from New York & Escape from L.A. are Full of 2 or 3 pinto shells
Terminator 3 there is a pinto shell
Final Destination 2 in the collision gets plowed by a log
Dukes of Hazard movie
Silence of the Lambs.. clarice drives one
Miracles
Starsky and Hutch one driving on the street
Taxi Driver
Crocodile Dundee- There's a red hatchback
The Betsy - a Red Pinto Hatchback it was being used as a test bed for a engine..
Friday - a black Pinto "convertible"!
Red Dawn" a yellow wagon from the rear ( also gets smashed).
Top Secret" (1984) shows an early pinto getting gently "tapped" from behind before exploding.
The Spirit of 76". early blue sedan gets blown up.
Straight talk dolly pardon driving a 79 or 80 odd shade of orange trunk model pinto.
JoJo Dancer, You're Life is Calling' - A brown Pinto wagon
Terminator. At the end of the movie, there is a 75 or so Pinto sitting beside the gas station.
Poltergeist-pinto hatchback pinto hatchback
Police Academy -green pinto wagon
Cheech and Chongs Next Movie-blue 77 or 78 peeling out
Being There
Uptown Saturday Night
Smokey & the Bandit
The Mack
Capricorn One
Let's Do it Again
...and Justice for All
The Glove
Clerks" and a guy wanted to know " where he could buy a set of hubcaps for a 1972 pinto
Gone in Sixty Seconds (original)- several
Scarface-golden brown Pinto station wagon
The Falcon and the Snowman
Eat my Dust
Dawn of the Dead ( orininal)-zombies having a feast on top of a 74 -75 Pinto
Fast Company-several pinto sighting in that movie with one bad V-8 monster on the drag strip
American Gigolos
Cheech and Chongs Nice Dreams -orange pinto wagon
Thunderheart
Chris Rock movie CB4
Smoky & the Bandit .
48 hours at least 3 green hatch back sightings
Folks - a red pinto pours gas all over it and hand his dad a cigar.
Rumble in the Bronx - Red 74
The Man - commandeers a Pinto
Fletch -yellow wagon with woodgrain
Used Cars -runabout
Dazed and Confused -red pinto
Ghost Whisperer -'74-'76 orange sedan
Damnation Alley -Most notably, a Wagon
Return to Witch Mountain - Medium blue pinto
Speed-Unfortunately, a 79 or 80 white Pinto Wagon gets destroyed, Sandra talks about driving the bus and states that it is "like driving a really big pinto."
The Devil's Rejects -Pinto runabout sitting in the tall grass
Diamonds are Forever" (1971) -pinto parked behind Bond
Surf Nazis Must Die -dark green runabout
Trick or Treat" (1986) -yellow 75 pinto wagon
Ghostbusters  -red pinto hatch
Dragnet-Yellow 71-73
Repo Man - at least 3 pintos a white, a blue and a brown wagon
Supernatural -yellow '79 or '80 hatchback
Bulworth -pinto wagon
Demolition Man -seen from the cockpit view from the helicopter, yellow hatchback
Commando -pinto hatch
Blood in Blood out
The LadiesMan -one of the guy drives a pinto
Angels in the Outfield
Who's That Girl- dark green (faded) Pinto
Taxi Driver (1976) background scenes you can see Pintos.
The Goodbye Girl (1977) a 76 ish green wagon.
Big Wednesday -nice brown window wagon
Oh God You Devil-blue 72
One Flew Over the Coo Coo's Nest-Red 72-? runabout
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension - brown pinto
Lords of Dogtown - green runabout
A nightmare on elm st- blue trunk model
TV SHOWS:
Chips-
The Rockford Files allways had one or two per episode.
Nash Bridges- prized but somewhat rough Pinto was stolen
Seinfeld-mall parking lot several pinto's in the background
A&E or the History channel about the "Hillside Strangler" in LA - Pinto in the background
Charlie's Angels drove an orange Pinto
Emergency when the fire truck pulls out of the station a Pinto slows down to let it by
Matlock 1980 pinto
Pinto wagon in one of the latest Toyota commercials
In the Heat of the Night-green Pinto wagon
WB's Charmed
Stella on comedy central
Reno 911 selling fireworks out the back of a pinto wagon
Automaniac with Bill Goldberg he talks about pintos. and then they show a shot of a pinto
The History Channel does a series on Engineering Disasters. They did a segment on the Pinto
Married with Children brown pinto sedan
MTV's 70's house black 1977 or 78 Runabout
Smith System driving videos,
Guns and Gears- tv show
Desperate Housewives -orange trunk model 79 or 80
Sci-Fi channel series John Doe -79 or `80 Runabout
Full House  -red pinto in a garage
( 8/3/06 ). It was an ad for ( I think ) Round table Pizza a sand pinto
Jesse James special evolution of Choppers. showed old 70s footage and several pintos were in it
Spenser For Hire -Pinto Squire wagon ('74-'78
The A-Team  -several episodes
Eureka" (si-fi channel)-dark green Pinto
Cold Case Files - several episodes
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             I seen a Price is right skit on Mad tv with a 1977 Brown pinto Sedan
1977 Pinto Accent stripe group Runabout                                                                    interior(Code PN) Color (Code R2)

apintonut

this has been a grate thread to follow but now for the real question where r these cars. dose any one here have one these would be some higher $$$$$ car with this documentation  to restore and sell at auction for more recognition
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

Kid Colt II

Quote from: dga57 on August 11, 2008, 02:22:53 AM
Now why didn't anyone else think of doing this? ::)   Thanks Kid Colt II.
A one-up for you!
Dwayne :smile:

Did I do something right for a change??  :look: :D

Thanks for the 1-up, brother.
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dga57

Now why didn't anyone else think of doing this? ::)   Thanks Kid Colt II.
A one-up for you!
Dwayne :smile:
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Kid Colt II

1972 Pinto 2 door sedan 4 Speed, 2.0 I4 ohc engine

nollid

some one who has alllllot of time on there hands should make a clip with all of these pintos on it.
1974 pinto runabout
1971 pinto
1971 wrecked pinto

bobscat

In the movie "The Good Humor Man"  there is what looks to be around a '74 red hatchback sitting on the street.

popbumper

Saw the movie "Karate Kid" last night. In the opening scenes, in front of LaRusso's townhome, the camera pans up as he and his Mom are driving away to California, showing a line of cars parked in front. There is a '73 hatchback in the group.

ALSO: In the "Kolchak: Night Stalker" original series (LOVED it when I was a kid, have it on DVD), there are SEVERAL episodes which show both Pintos and Mavericks along the streets as Kolchak tools around town in his modest 60's Mustang convertible.

Chris
Restoring a 1976 MPG wagon - purchased 6/08

Wittsend

I looked through the list twice and didn't see the low budget flick, "Double Nickels."  There is a great scene where a Pinto is chased by police down some of L.A.'s infamous "stairway sidewalks."

Just go to U-tube, type in "double nickels" and enjoy!

Tom

bobscat

Just watched the trailer for "Twilight".  There is a Pinto in the background of a parking lot scene.

dga57

After a visit to Southfork Ranch last summer, my wife and I started purchasing the "Dallas" series on DVD.  Own seasons 1-7 now, season 8 to be released in February.  There is a white Pinto seen in a stock downtown Dallas traffic scene used frequently in the series over multiple seasons.  It is a long shot and appears to have been filmed with a wide-angle lens so not sure of the exact year, although I can see it well enough to determine that it is the older, round-headlight version.
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bobscat

Can't remember where, but my GF says she saw one in Jumanji, I'll watch it this weekend and find out where in there it is.  Dang, and I thought that I was the only one who pauses, rewinds, and verifies that I saw a Pinto in a movie.   We have a disease man...lol    Hello, my name is Seth, and I'm a Pintoholic!!!  LOL

Ponygal

Found a squire wagon in Genesis' video for Misunderstanding, brief shot when a green wagon of some sort drives past, there is a SW parked on the road behind it.
'77 Sedan "Gladys"
2.3L auto - swapping to T-5 2009
Dark brown, saddle interior
Supertrapp, Grant wheel, more mods on the way...

apintonut

omg u all left out one best pinto ever
Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood
im loading a clip will post when done
OOPS!!
the move was friday! already on here
74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
stiletto parts(4 sale)
79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

r4pinto

Here's an interesting one. In the Disney movie Sky High, there is a car that falls on one of the students. I am pretty sure it's an older Pinto sedan or Runabout. hard to tell.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Sir Hugh

NEW SIGHTING!  On the CW show Reaper last Tuesday a couple that escaped from hell who like to crash blue muscle cars to wreak havoc drive around in a 79 orangey cream hatchback. Looked really clean and of course the emblems were taken off.
Loving my plum 1978 Pinto Hatchback.  He has a rebuilt engine and is running like new. Beautiful. He still needs a new paint job though.

phils toys

updated list
A nightmare on elm st.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

lil_horse

There is a second Pinto in the movie Speed, a red hatchback. It can be seen some distance away as the Jaguar is about to pull in front of the bus.

woodie

 I think their was one in madmax ?not shure
watch this