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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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turbopinto72

Thanks for offering to take pictures !!  ;D, I'm sure they will all turn   out great.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

Most, I think are being driven but there are at least 4 cars I know trailered.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

claudermilk

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 02, 2007, 09:19:37 PM
PHOTOGRAPHER NEEDED !!!!!!!

There is a need for someone who will not be busy talking to all the inquiring lookers. I would like to take A LOT of pictures for us and the magazines. Would someone please like to volunteer for this job?
Thanks

I will have my camera with me as always and will be taking pics all day long. I do wander around the show--though I'm skipping most of Mustangland these days (ok, once I've seen 20 mid-80's 'stangs I've had my fill), so I expect to hang around the oddballs area longer. After the show I can set up a gallery on my photo site for the event.

claudermilk

I was wondering why you guys hadn't been making noise about a Pinto class. As I recall, it takes 15 entered cars to get a class, I know with this year's turnout that will make at least 2 maybe 3 years with enough cars. I am certain this year plus last year's turnout is more than the Probes (hey, I still enter mine even though I now hang out with you bunch of sickos more), so the minimum count has been met.

Pintony

Hello Group,
Does anyone need NOS Pinto parts brought to California for the Knotts Show.???
Let me know an I will get hem together and bring them to the show.
From Pintony

vonkysmeed

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 02, 2007, 08:11:19 PM
KNOTTS SHOW ORGANIZERS
I wrote to the organizers of the Knotts show and asked them two things. First, why don't Pintos have a " category ". As anyone who has registered knows, we have to submit our entry as " Other ford" I suggested that as we will be having nearly 30 Pintos in attendance I felt it was time to classify us as an official car entry.
The other thing I wanted to know is what we could do to be a sponsor? Stay tuned for more info.

as for our own catagory, SCPOC (so cal probe owners) had to request their own catagory.  When they reached the required minimum to be considered (20 I think), they were granted their own catagory.  We should just need to request it and get our own next year.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintopower

Hey Kids! Long time since I have been here! Sorry for the absence. Any way, It has come to my attention that you pinto guys like to hang out and talk....so....why don't we meet up at my place to clean cars and eat. Last year I invited no one and some how pintos appeared from the sky (seriously, people that I didnt know showed up). This year, what the hell! Come on by! My address is:

1026 South Valinda Ave.
West Covina, CA 91790.

Also, if you will be near by that morning before the show, all the folks near me will be caravaning to breakfast. Nothing quite like seeing 15 pintos on an empty freeway. Pleace get back to me on who will be coming over, I need to make sure I have enough meat to BBQ. You can wash, detail and clean you can in and out over hear. Come by as early as you want and leave as late as you want (so long as we get a good nights sleep). I have alot of room here. You all are also more than welcome to stay the night. Keep me posted and call for questions!
Alberto
626-221-7681
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

turbopinto72

KNOTTS SHOW ORGANIZERS
I wrote to the organizers of the Knotts show and asked them two things. First, why don't Pintos have a " category ". As anyone who has registered knows, we have to submit our entry as " Other ford" I suggested that as we will be having nearly 30 Pintos in attendance I felt it was time to classify us as an official car entry.
The other thing I wanted to know is what we could do to be a sponsor? Stay tuned for more info.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

MEDIA AND MAGAZINE INK.
I have been contacting several publications ( actually just started ). I have a responce from "Legendary Ford Magazine". They can not come down and make the show BUT would like us to submit an editoral with pictures and the will publish it in an up comming magazine. I have also contacted Hemmings Muscle Magazine. Jeff Koch, who did the article on the Red Pangra will be attending the show. My hope is that he can do some type of story for his magazine. I have written to Muscle Mustangs and Fast Fords but have not heard back from them yet.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

Alberto just informed me of the following cars that will be attending.

Black 76 wagon
Brown 71 sedan
Green 71 hatchback
Green 72 hatchback
Brown 72 hatchback
Orange 80 wagon
Red 77 cruzing wagon
Silver 72 sedan
Yellow 73 wagon
This brings the count up to about 30 cars.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

CAR COUNT AS OF 4/1/07

So far we have 20 comfirmed cars. I know there will be others that I do not have contact information. This could be the largest group of Pintos ever at any California Car Show.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

I just talked to Alberto and he will be bringing the following
Red 79 wagon
Yellow 80 Sedan
White 80 wagon
Purple 78 Hatch back
Black Pangra
Purple Wagon.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

Don, thanks for the input. We will most definitely be having breakfast.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pinto4you2003

I am looking forward to seeing everyone at the meet.  Driving from Phoenix so barring any mechanical problems, will be there.  I like the idea of going to breakfast and all driving together to the show.    don

turbopinto72

Quote from: srt on March 21, 2007, 09:32:38 PM
I will be there but the only thing I'm bringing are memories and a camera

Ok, add Steve to the list.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Srt

I will be there but the only thing I'm bringing are memories and a camera
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

Scott Hamilton

No Pintos with me, will be flying in...

Brothers name is Geoff 'spike' on the fourm...

In addition to my brother my wife will also be attending as well, this Pinto stuff is starting to rub off a little...

HA!
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

Original74

Brad,

I will be there with my '74 Sedan Geraldine. And Geraldine (the original owner, now 75, still living in Simi Valley will visit). She was all giddy about getting to see her baby now 5 years later.

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

turbopinto72

Ok guys. Knotts is comming up quick. I would like to get a count of who is going to attend. So far I think the following will be there.
Brad-Black Pangra
Tony-either the purple or his newest yellow 71
Joe-black 71 289
Brien-I think his latest wagon?
Pinto4you2003-77 sedan ( please email me your name )
Qikpinto-77 wagon ( please email me your name)
Mike-72 Boss
Vonkysmead-V8 sedan
Dan-71 V8
Dave H-74 sedan ? ( Dave are you coming? )
Alberto- Have not heard ( please email me)
Bob- Brown 71 or the Red Pangra
Barth- white 71 or the Red Pangra
Scott Hamilton and His brother Scratch ( Do we have cars for these guys? )Barth ?
Any one else who is going Please contact me or reply to this post.
Thanks
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

vonkysmeed

Quote from: pinto4you2003 on March 03, 2007, 04:15:37 PM
Are most of you driving your cars or hauling them on a trailer? 

I am driving all 13 miles there.  With any luck, it should run OK.  Still need to start to see if the oil leak is still there or not.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

turbopinto72

Quote from: pinto4you2003 on March 18, 2007, 07:40:46 PM
I just sent in my registration.  I will be driving my '77 hatchback from Phoenix.  Where is a good place to stay (hotel/motel) for the night?
PM me and I will send you some links for good, close by hotels.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Quote from: pinto4you2003 on March 03, 2007, 04:15:37 PM
Are most of you driving your cars or hauling them on a trailer? 
I will be trailering my Pinto this year.
But will most likely be caravaning with Pintopower from West Covina to the show.
From Pintony

pinto4you2003

I just sent in my registration.  I will be driving my '77 hatchback from Phoenix.  Where is a good place to stay (hotel/motel) for the night?

vonkysmeed

Quote from: mpintotoo on March 01, 2007, 07:59:35 PM
sure makes my72 boss look realy good next to it ha hoodwould be nice want me to bring u 1  hehehehehehe i have a few

Proof I have a hood, Just need to have a better method of holding up the center section.  I have a hood skin that is extra.  That will help with the home made cowel scoop.  May need a grille though.  Mine broke completely after the show last year. 
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

vonkysmeed

Quote from: pinto4you2003 on March 03, 2007, 04:15:37 PM
Are most of you driving your cars or hauling them on a trailer? 

the first year i did the show, I towed it in due to it not running.  I do not recomend that.  If it runs, why not drive it?  Engine is back in mine, but there were a few modifications needed to get it in with the new oil pan.  Hope to start it this sunday and verify that it does not leak.  If it still does, Time for a complete rebuild.  Only time will tell.
73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage

Dan

Hi everyone,
  This is my first visit on this site and will be attending Knotts again, I'll bring my 71 coupe with the 460 engine. I live in Oceanside, Ca. so I'll trailer to the parking lot. Should show up around 7:00 on sunday. I have made some changes from last year, cowl induction hood, looks great. Dan.
Nothing like a 460 under the hood!!!

pinto4you2003

Are most of you driving your cars or hauling them on a trailer? 

mpintotoo

sure makes my72 boss look realy good next to it ha hoodwould be nice want me to bring u 1  hehehehehehe i have a few

vonkysmeed

Quote from: pinto4you2003 on January 20, 2007, 03:49:33 PM
I may come with my '77 sedan.  It will depend on a couple of things, however. 

My car is nice but it is certainly not in "car show" condition.  Does that matter?

Just bring what you have, It cannot look any worse than what I have showed up with in the last 2 years.  Here is a shot from last year. 



I hope to have a hood this year.

73 Pinto Runabout
351w from 74 galaxie
Heads from 69 Mercury Cougar
82 Mustang GT SROD Transmission and driveshaft
Mustang II rear end with Fairmont 3rd member
6 point cage