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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

ThunderPinto gets an Interior.

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Cookieboystoys

Wow! I can't wait to see this in person... 6 more days   ;D

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

thoraxethree

WOW, thats all that i have to say. Can't wait to see it with some color on the outside!!! And the interior is superb as well. Good job!

High_Horse

Got the dash completed and set the plexiglass on the passenger side....nothing like pulling that sticky covering off of a virgin piece of plexy. I better get snappy it looks like CookieBoy has left the building.

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Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Well this is not an interior part but I'm in the mode to get this baby ready for Tulsa and that ment my front spoiler and air dam. I took it off when I did the v8 conversion and although I drove the car for half a year testing it out I always felt like my garage door was open without it. Another thing scratched off the list. Yessssss!!!!!!
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thoraxethree


High_Horse

Well I've got my countdown checklist taped to the windshield. And here is a shot of the driver seat in...I have yet to assemble the back of the pass seat but all parts are ready.

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78pinto

High_Horse, you've done a great job on the interior! You have been keeping yourself busy!  Jeff
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Cookieboystoys

looking good !! 20 day and 22 things.. you can do it !!
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

High_Horse

Finally got the painting done on the passenger door and frame. This allowed me to get that pesky headliner molding in that runs all the way to the back and that cover that hides the spring assembly for the wagon hatch. Today I installed the door skin, armrest and handles. Yessssss!!!! Just 22 things on the list before Tulsa.
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High_Horse

I thought it to be important to show the retainers. Stainless steel 10-24 button head phillups against stainless button washers. I drilled the acrylic 0ne size smaller then 3/8s and fit in rubber collars that reduced to 3/16th. I fit o-rings inside the button washers to hold against the acrylic. I thought this would be good to allow for the expansion differential and water sealing. I will use simple vulcanized rubber to seal the acrylic to the body.
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High_Horse

Finally got around to begin fitting up the plexiglass panels. Pictured is the cardboard template.
Trimmed up the template according to body lines, contact points and door opening and I guess I lucked out. Shimmed 1/8th inch from the roof gutter and made it precisly past all the window reccess radi. The stiffness of the acrylic was not beyond flexing to get it to fit better then I expected and it is set to form to it's new contour.
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High_Horse

Thoraxethree,
      I seriously considered getting a set like that but being from the roll your own generation I had to pass and get to know my seats better. I have gotten interested in the seats and dashes to the point of wanting to experiment with them further to provide Pinto guys (only) with a good seat and dash alternative. I appriciate your response on the other tread and will be getting back with you. Those are nice seats.

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thoraxethree

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2DG1159&N=700+%2D128277+115&autoview=sku[/url]

They fit but with little room for error, i actually had to re-drill the holes two times to get it to fit right. I also had to make a bracket for them. And, if you can help it, don't do it by yourself, it was hell for me.

High_Horse

Thoraxethree,
        The tweed carpeting for all 100,the floor carpet 130,carpet padding 25, spray paint 25,guages fittings and copper tubing 100,chalk and rtv 25, snaps and snap tool for seats 25, padding for seats 100, a 4 by 8 sheet of 1/4 inch masonite for doors,control head and battery compartment cover 15, plexiglass 130, rubber molding and glue 30, plywood 10, screws,hinges and angle 25, misc and gopher gas 60,
Wagon back panels from bobcat 30. That is 730. What kind of new seats did you get?

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thoraxethree

So, this is my question, now. How much has all this cost, i am currently doing the interior in mine and have only spent about 500 (i bought brand new seats) and the back part of the carpet. I tried spray canning the inside, and its not bad, but it's not great either, it scratches easily so i may end up redoing all of it with automotive grade paint. and my dash needs to be entirely replaced or a dash cap, either way that will be a bit pricey.

High_Horse

Thanks Tony V,
      Yah! I picked some up in black but have yet to follow though like you say. I also want to add the v8 like I have on my avitar <-----. I picked up the molding today for the plexiglass and am going to try to get the panels installed. That will be the light at the end of the tunnel and I can start hitting the details. I lost a weeks worth of Pinto due to an unexpected bersitis issue...ouch.

                                                             High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

tony v

hey high,car is lookin good. duplicolor makes fabric die. you could really freak out with the pony you painted on the rear carpet. wont fade that bad in the long run either. keep hammerin at it, it looks like its all coming together.   tony v
Rubber side down!!

High_Horse

Pictured below is a sheet of smoked gray acrylic 1/4 inch thick plexiglass that I am going to use to fashion cruising wagon panels with. I called the guy and ordered some custom cut molding that I will use to inset this plexiglass with. I went with a smoked gray tint because my car will ultimatly be painted white and it needs to match the 50's test equiptment....I mean interior.
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High_Horse

 :accident:
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dholvrsn

Let my clueless self in. What is your emerging theme? Battleships? "50s electronic test equipment?

Not that any of us ever painted our homemade model rocket launch equipment gray to make it look more NASA, milspec, or official back when we were kids.
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High_Horse

The Comfort control turned out better then I expected considering that I processed it without taking it apart. But I better make it snappy if I am going to make the Central Regional PCCA Pinto meet in Tulsa, Oklahoma June 14th through the 17th.

                                                          High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

High_Horse

Now that I got the dash cap done and installed, I can get on with it. Today I spent the morning getting the wiring worked out and back together...like making sure everything is plugged in and the light bulbs all work. Also, I am finally hooking up these two mini Johnson control gauges that have been in the car forever and never hooked up. Ha!!! They are 0-30 psi and I am going to use them to read Water Pressure and Fuel Pressure, just a set of unlit quick referance troubleshooters. What the heck.
Finished the speedo cluster....onward and sideways.
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High_Horse

Tony V,
  Thanks for the advice. I will look into Dynamat.
Finished the DashCap. I brushed the carpet gently with a hairbrush and took the supervac to it. Sprayed the first coat of clear on it and found that the fibers were collecting spray beads...NO GOOD!! Grabbed the wallpaper joint roller and rolled the beads away but not without lifting some fuzz cause it was tacky. NO GOOD!!! Dipped the roller into some solvent and was able to press the fibers in to stick...Done, first coat.
Second coat proved that if I spray real close like 1 inch there are minimal beads...Hit it with the solvent roller and worked it till dry to the touch but not so tight as to flatten the texture of the carpet.
Third coat.. Finished the can...Rolled gently with solvent roller till set. The seams went together nicely,no hairballs and no fuzzy apperance...Whew.

                                                          High_Horse
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tony v

if you are looking for sound deadner, try using DYNAMAT. when i did my 79 4x4 i used it on the doors, floor, and behind the bench seat  wall. the shtuff works great and can really take the contours of the floor. In your wagon, the walls under the back glass would be ideal. also the rear fenderwells. the mat is about an 1/8" thick.   tony v.
Rubber side down!!

High_Horse

The completion of this dash covering is at hand. It is just the outside edges that need to set and I can get on with the surface processing. It required the placement of over 330 1 inch squares and a triangle upon occation.
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High_Horse

CrazyHorse,
    Thanks for the input. And your points have undergone serious consideration. This carpet is exterior grade but I do plan to cut a cover that will be in place when the dash is not being displayed. To many don't cut a cover till their dash is bad. Also, During a discussion with Pintony, the subject of dirt and dust penetration was explored. After the squares are installed I will be vacuuming and fluffing the carpet to clean and enhance the checkerboard texture. Then I will be coating/sealing it with a clear vinyl spray, just enough to seal it but not as to loose the texture because it important to match the interior. And hopefully it will enhance the cherkerboard effect. The tweed has minimal stretch as I found out when I tried to adhere it to the silicone shell with 3M adhesive. So recovering is not an option without removing the exhisting cover. By the way I like the way you extended your guage hood I wish I saw that before I got this far. I'd rather be doing and engine.

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crazyhorse

You do some seriously good work Horse! I took a lot of shortcuts doing my dash. Now I'm paying for it with sun fading.
If the tweed has any stretch to it you can still lay it over the cap in one piece. Since you used RTV you can "sew" it down into the contours with your fishing line. I used 3m spray glue on mine, but I also used fleece as the covering material.

That pic is the day I finished it.
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High_Horse

CookieBoy,
    Thanks for the input. But I am really trying to stay with the tweed. Covering the dash foam with RTV gasket silicone worked really well and I am sure it will preserve the dashcap integrity for a long time to come but one problem....Nothing sticks to silicone but silicone. LOL. So here is my plan. I am going to cut the tweed into 1 inch squares( keep it mind that the tweed has a grain pattern) and stick them to the dash in a checkerboard fashion using gray silicone RTV as the adheisive. Kinda like a Mosaic. Isn't there anything about this that is easy.

                                                       High_Horse
Started with a Bobcat wagon. Then a Cruising wagon. Now a Chocolate brown 77 wagon. I will enjoy this car for a long time. I'm in. High_Horse

Cookieboystoys

looking good high horse, the person who did mine used a non-reflective/sun resistant vinyl (don't want shiny in the eyes) and a heat gun to help mold it to the dash pad during the gluing and stapling. Don't use vinyl that is real thin or every little bump will show but also don't use to thick as it will be hard to work with and mold.

It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

High_Horse

Finally completed the coating of the dashcap with two thin coats od silicone RTV. Now to cover Hmmmmm?
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