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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

NEW PINTO ONWER CHECKING IN ALLS INQUIRING?

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77turbopinto

If you have concerns about this you do have options. You can take the car back to the person you got it from and ask for either details or a refund. Also, you can contact your local police dept. and ask them to investigate the matter. Please review my last post. One way to do it is to contact the police and if it is a stolen car they might let you return it for a refund THEN bag the person you bought it from. You get your money and the owner gets the car. It would be neat if it was stolen and gets returned to the rightfull owner like 20 years later.

If the person that swapped the VIN's had taken the time to get a 79 or 80 VIN/title, you might have never known.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

oldkayaker

I agree it probably is not important now.  But if you are still curious, there are partial VIN's stamped in engine bay area on top of the inner fenders under where the front exterior fenders bolt down.  The number is about a foot back from the radiator core support.  To see this, you have to remove a fender and scrap away the putty from the top of the inner fender (a wire brush helps also).  The number is stamped on top of both inner fenders.  I have never tried it but you might be able to read it from inside the fender but it would be difficult and the numbers would be backwards.  The number stamped there is missing the second, third, and fourth digit, i.e. VIN=9T11Y123456, stamp=9T123456.  The stamped numbers will also have small stars at the start and at the end of the number for some reason.  If you car still has its inner fenders (they are sometimes removed on race cars), this may help solve your mystery.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

prostang92

THERE IS A CLEAN TITTLE , i HAVE YET TO TRASFER IT INTO MY NAME....AND i HAVE PLATES FROM THE STATE OF MINNESOTA...

cant I just claim it as a 77 thats been re bodied to look like a 79/80???  if i where to sell it? BECASUE TECHNICALLY THATS WHATY IT IS...
why is everybody always picking on me???

bigh4th

If you already have the title in your name, then I wouldn't worry about it.   I don't know of any areas other than the "buck tag" "on the radiator core support behind the grill" that would have the VIN on it, and even then most people wouldn't know to look for it there.  Other than that, I know of no other places for VINs on pintos, and I've torn a couple down to bare sheet metal.

The only way I can see you running into trouble is if you try to sell it.  Other than that, you shouldn't have any problems.

-Harry

77turbopinto

Look at the bottom of the seats, you might find the build sheet. That might give you the correct VIN for the car. I am sure it is somewhere else on the body too.

It might have been swapped for a number of reasons other than to register a stolen car: a) Someone had a 77 registered that was rotted/got wrecked and they got a 79 with a good body and did not want to go though inspections/DMV to get back on the road. b) Someone owed a shop a bunch of money on the 79 and skipped town, and the shop bought a VIN tag and title to be able to sell it. I bet there are other semi-legit reasons, but it still does not make it "legal".

As far as it effecting YOU, if YOU did not swap the VINs, the only thing you have to worry about is IF the real VIN (THAT CAR) is in the NCIC as stolen AND the true identity is discovered. If that happens, you might be out a car AND the money you paid.


Bill
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Cookieboystoys

Re: is it that big of a deal???

depends... are you planning on licensing for street use? or will it be just a race/drag car?
It's all about the Pintos! Baby!

prostang92

NO DOOR TAG, CARS BEEN REPAINTED...

any thing easy to check??? OTHERTHAN THAT??


is it that big of a deal???

C
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77turbopinto

There were some 78's that were sold as 77's, but that car has had a VIN swap.

There are other differences too. (How the windshield is mounted, e-brake handle, heater box...)

Bill
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bigh4th

Hmmm...

Ok, next thing I know to do is to check the VIN on the dash to the sticker on the drivers door jam.

Someone had to have swapped that VIN plate on the dash.  there's over a full model year between what a 77 should have and what a 79 has.  As I'm sure you know, the bumpers (and brackets), whole front end, dash (and cluster), and tail lights are different.  It all changed in late 78 for the 79 model year, so a factory flub with 79 components on a 77 is impossible.  If your VIN was comming up for a late-production 78, it could be possible, but doubtful.

-Harry

prostang92

went and looked at the vint tap no sighn of being tampered with an and still has the smal lrivet heads... looks alomost identical rivets to my 63 falcon ...

CC
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bigh4th

Sounds like someone has either swapped a VIN tag on the dash to get around a lost title, or someone did a LOT of work changing the whole car to a 79-80 setup.

Any chance you can get a pic of the VIN tag?  You can blur out some of the numbers or whatever, main thing I'd like to see is the rivets.

-Harry

prostang92

why is everybody always picking on me???

prostang92

Your 1977 Pinto 3 door hatchback was the 188025 unit built at the St. Thomas - Pinto, Fairmont, Zephyr plant.
It was originally outfitted with a 2.3 I4 ohc engine from the factory.
why is everybody always picking on me???

prostang92

YES SIR CHECKED THIS MORNIGN AFTER  all this NEW INFO had arisen, tittle and vint tag on dash match....

I have not entered it on the site...

CC
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phils toys

have you checked the vin on the title to the vin on the dash? It may have been a car without title and a junk title was used or some one used the wrong title some where.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

TIGGER

I remember seeing that car posted on this site a while back.  I am sure if you poke around some you will find it.  Nice car!
79 4cyl Wagon
73 Turbo HB
78 Cruising Wagon (sold 8/6/11)

prostang92

ill check and take MORE PICTURES TONIGHT...

cc
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earthquake

The rear bumper is 79-80 also,Are the tail lights all plastic or are the metal trimed.
73 sedan parts car,80 crusin wagon conversion,76 F 250 460 SCJ,74 Ranchero 4x4,88 mustang lx convertable,and the readheaded step child 86 uhhh Chevy 4x4(Sorry guys it was cheap)

prostang92

WELL shes got a square dash opening for the gauges :( 

soI checked the title... AND SHES A 77?? SO OSME ONE HAD A LOT OF FUN WITH THIS CAR in 5900 miles...

lol

chris
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turbowagonman

The '79-80' Dash panel also had Two Round openings if it was ordered with the "Sports Package". That consisted of Speedo & Tac. in front of the driver, and there was the Fuel, Alt. and Temp gauges were the Heat Controll usually is (in dash). Cruising Wagons came with the "Sports Package" they also had "Sport Mirrors" were they were remote from inside the car and were Semi-gloss Black to match all the window trim.
Just my 2¢!

If anyone knows were I can get a Fiberglass Hood for a '79-80' with a 2½" Cowl could you speak up? Please

Shawn
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phils toys

congratulations on the nice looking pinto.
give it a little time and someone can tell you who the car was previously registered to, but only a name or what ever info they submitted when they got the sticker.
The front end is from a 79 or 80 even though the car maybe a 77 is the dash still stock, in a pre 79 the instrument cluster is 2 round guages  and 79 or 80 they are square. hope this helps some.
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
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2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

prostang92

not trying to be a pain...  But I would really like to verify the mileage and maybe some sort of story on how the car became a 77 w/ 79/80 fron tend??

CC
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BlueGoldPinto

Well, whoever you bought that car off of was registered to this site at one time, and paid for that window sticker to become a charter member. The number is unique to the car (suspossedly) Mabye Scott or 77turbopinto or whoever keeps track of that stuff can help you out if you really want to know....
BGP ;D :D ;) :) :) :) :) :)
My theory on the Gas Tank of the Ford Pinto:
If it ain't fixed, don't break it!! :)

turbowagonman

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prostang92

NO MARKNG ON THE HOOD.. SORRY :(


but no one knows this car? OR ANYTHING? wow


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turbowagonman

WOW $1500............that is awsome! Did you at least be nice to the guy....using Vasilene I mean. lol   :hypno:
Friday the 13th.............who says it's bad luck. Well not for you at least.
Great score!  8)
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prostang92

yeah, I will  ,picture litterally got it home this morning  $1500 w/ all tha swaPparts aluminuim radiator tranny cooler w/ fan, headers, c-4 w/ shift kit , driveshaft, custom exhaust system

missing seats, door panels, headliner, and some small dash pieices...

CC
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turbowagonman

If you don't mind me asking..........How much??? 5,900 miles is awfull low mileage to modify the car. Don't take this as me complaining, the car looks awsome. Are you going to post more pics like on   http://photobucket.com/   hint hint  ;D
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Cruising Wagon.........R.I.P.
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Deluxe Wagon (work in progress)
http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/turbowagonman/

prostang92

ILL LOOK TOMMOROW BUT  Idont rember seeing anything... I just cant beleive I got the car for so cheap... :) SUPPOSEDLY ONLY HAS 5,900 ORIGINAL MILES???



CC
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turbowagonman

As far as it goes (I think) I believe the '79-80' were the only ones with a Square headlight assembly. If there is any info on that hood, make, brand.......anything could you post it. I am looking for a 2½" cowl hood to make room for my FMIC well the tubing at least.
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Cruising Wagon.........R.I.P.
\'80\' Turbo Pinto Deluxe Wagon (work in progress)
http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l262/turbowagonman/