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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

The Electric Pinto

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apintonut

74 hatch soon to be turbo 2.3
73 sedan soon to be painted
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79 pinto wagon & beentoad
wtb 75 yellow w/ black int. (rally?) like profile pic.

electrabishi

We'll its been a while since I updated on my progress.  I scrapped the '80 after gutting it for some of the hardware I'll use for spares.  This is for map351,  I won't be converting a $100 Pinto anymore  :(   I found a $400 one  ;D  with a straight stock body and an 8" rear to toy around with.  But the Dutchman Motorsports Heavy Duty Street & Strip Ford 9" with Strange N case, 35 spline race axles and Detroit locker will be under it for its first day on the track. 

You can see a few photos and more details here http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/1093.  After doing more research on the motors and talking with the long time EV racers I'm upward revising my estimated torque capability to ~1000 ft-lbs.  My primary goal here however is to keep it a street legal/strip machine. ..at least for starters.  I need something that I can drive to shows and not have to trailer. 

Also the National Electric Drag Racing Association (www.nedra.com) has a Street Conversion (SC), Pro Street (PS) and Modified Conversion(MC) classes of which the record I'll first be shooting for is in the SC class for 348V+ machines. This by the way is the White Zombie record of 12.151 @ 106.25 mph.  This was the last record John was able to post before the rules changed knocking his Datsun with the Ford 9" rear end out of the "stock" class.  Get out the latest version of  your NHRA rule book and see they have already adopted the NEDRA rules for safety on electric vehicles :   

So along with all the regular NHRA rules I' will also have to comply with the NEDRA rules as well.  The tubs and slicks will have to wait until I've exhausted what I can do with the stock car.  I've pretty much concluded though that at the minimum I'll have to connect the front half and rear half frame members. So if anyone has advice on how to proceed with that process I'm all ears.  CalTracs traction bars for now, 4-bar when I'm required to fit a roll bar. :-) 

  White Zombie hit 11.466 with a borrowed set of lithium-ion batteries and is now forced into its new 6 point roll cage. No more stock class postings for that Datsun  :-\  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fmy4tWvr8c  The batteries you wonder???  ...borrowed from Killacycle with its recent 7.824 @168 MPH record setting run at Pomona a couple weeks ago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c8eLH8x_-Y   ...... well back to work - I'm working on the motor mounts tonight.  Next week will be the rear-end so I can get measuremetns for the drive shaft.  My batteries are scheduled to ship December 11th.

Scott Hamilton

This is one of the most intresting threads I have read here...

I was very intrested in the EV story storm and all the crap the auto manufactures folded in mseveral years back..

EV Pinto... WHAT a concept... I went to your site and spent way to much time following links and educating myself..

I 'think' I'm hooked!
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map351

First things first. If your claims are correct on the 800/900 ft lbs. TQ you better put some tire under the car! You'll need to back half the car, 4bar,40 spline axles,spool.
Tires and wheels are first get them to fit under the car, measure the wheel mounting flange to flange that's the axle length, build the housing from that point.

Just my view on this, I think you should buy a old super gas car and convert it to a electric car you'll be way ahead of the game! If the car has the potential you claim you will have to deal with all the NHRA SFI safety regulations.. Buy a old proven drag car and have fun..

http://www.racingjunk.com/search?searchString=ford+pinto
This is what you need to start with..  Not a 100.00 dollar pinto!


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electrabishi

Well we have the motors on order from http://www.go-ev.com/  The dealer I bought from however is http://www.evsource.com/ in case anyone was interested.

we ordered a TransWarP9 and a WarP9 and will couple the 1.125" tail shaft of the TWarp9 to the 1.125" shaft of the WarP9 and run them in line. The newly released TransWarP9 comes with a hardened 1.370" splined drive shaft that will direct drive the rear end.

I have a heavywall 9" housing from an '85 Bronco that I've got cleaned up and the spring perches and shock mounts shaved off.  I need to now figure out the dimensions to cut it to fit the Pinto.  Does anyone have manufacturer data on a 1980 Pinto rear end?  My particular donr car has the 6.75" rear.  I've been under it with a tape measure but without yanking the whole axle out I can't be too sure of the numbers.  What I need are the outside of the housing flange to the center of the pinion shaft so I can recreate the setup for the 9" housing.  That driveshaft tunnel looks to be real small.  Any kind of beefed up drive shaft will have some pretty close tolerances so I need to be sure to get the measurements as accurate as possible.  Anyone with experience building an rear axle for a Pinto??

Thanks

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak

electrabishi

I'm in Anchorage, Alaska.  There's decent size IHRA track just north of us and I can't bellieve there is no shop in town that will respline the axles.  But so far no luck.  I'll pick up a racing magazine and see what I can get.   I'll need to buy a differential with a race case anyway when I figure out what gear I need.  Maybe I could pick up race axles from the same place. 

Thanks

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.

Srt

where are you located?  other than shipping ( and of course the outright cost of the parts)  what you need should be readily available.  try getting ahold of a National Dragster magazine. The number of 1st rate companies that offer parts/assemblies is enormous.  Your biggest problem will be with whom to do business
the only substitute for cubic inches is BOOST!!!

electrabishi

So I picked up a 9" axle housing of an '85 Bronco.  Its got the thick housing material and the larger bearing races.  I'm going to have a shop shorten the housing but there'e no one in town that can cut and respline the axles.  What the process to do this.  Would it be better for me to just buy axles built to length?  THe axles that came with the housing are 31 spline, no taper whatsoever.  In fact the axle itself is slightly larger then the splines, for the whole length.  I just don't know how much it'll cost for me to mail them away, have them cut and splined, and shipped back.  Might be better to buy new?

Mike

electrabishi

Yeah, Thats Nick Viera who built this while he was in highschool.  He's now going to college and doing an intern with FireFly the industrial battery spinoff from Caterpillar.  His documentation helped me to decide to do my Mitsubishi Pickup conversion.  I kept the 4WD intact as well http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/756
Driving electric is only costing me $30/mo to do my 500 miles a month.  Thats compared to  the $120 I was spending in gasoling for my truck before the conversion.  It was a pretty fun project.  Now I'm going to build up a 12 second dragster out of my 1980 Pinto.  That car will finally get some respect.  Poor thing :-)

QuoteWell, I had to look it up, but about a week ago I was reading about a guy that did the conversion on a Jeep Cherokee, and it even had working 4WD.  His site has a very good buildup with lots of pics.  Here is the link:
http://www.driveev.com/jeepev/home.php

78pinto

my buddy has it...i'll see if i can get info and pictures from him.
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douglasskemp

Well, I had to look it up, but about a week ago I was reading about a guy that did the conversion on a Jeep Cherokee, and it even had working 4WD.  His site has a very good buildup with lots of pics.  Here is the link:
http://www.driveev.com/jeepev/home.php
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

electrabishi

A little Chevette should (could) be pretty efficient.  Is it advertised somewhere?  Do you have a link so I could have a look at what they're trying to sell you? 

I just ordered the 348Volt 2000 Amp motor controller today for my Pinto dragster. http://cafeelectric.com/products/zilla/index.html
http://www.evsource.com/tls_controllers.php

Thats 348V X 2000A /746 = 932 HP from the batteries.
Subtract 5% for controller loss, 5% for motor loss and 10% for driveline loss I figure 746HP to the wheels.   I'll be looking at 700 - 800 ft-lbs of torque though. Great for launching a 2500lb car.  Definitely need a well built 9" rearend.

Mike


78pinto

i'm going to wake this thread up....i'm looking at a early 80's chevett with an electric conversion already done.....needs new batteries ect i was thinking about using it as a daily driver....any thoughts?
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electrabishi

Quote from: Gaslight on October 14, 2006, 03:59:27 PM
Well a properly built 8" will do the job.  The car just needs to be setup right.  There won't be any tires you can get to fit that will handle that torque.  You need to have it come in at the right time.  Just not all at the same time.

Jake


Knowing that White Zombie (the dautsun 1200) had problems with welds cracking early on even with the professionally built 9" I'm not so sure I'd trust ~900 ft lbs to an 8".  I'd bet a 9" could be built up to handle it fine, however now we're talking serious money.  The thing about series wound DC motors is that they develop maximum torque at 0 (thats zero) RPM, which is right where you want your torque, for launching.  I can't trust that I'd get the car "set up right" as you say, early enough to keep from melting a perfectly good 8" rear-end.  I've checked the yards for used 9" but can't find any of the good 'N' cases, as if that needs to be stated   :( There is a 3.00 locker 9" off a Lincoln in the yard they want $105 for.  I may wind up at least getting it for the housing to start off with.  However the Ford 10.25 is free, but massively heavy.  You gotta love a Pinto to put this much effort into it I suppose.

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.

78pinto

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Gaslight

Well a properly built 8" will do the job.  The car just needs to be setup right.  There won't be any tires you can get to fit that will handle that torque.  You need to have it come in at the right time.  Just not all at the same time.

Jake
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I am making some changes in my life.  Please leave a message after the beep.
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electrabishi

I've actually done this to my Mitsubishi Pickup. http://www.austinev.org/evalbum/756
Its pretty fast, for my daily commuter.  Enough torque to break the tires lose in 2nd gear.  I'm just afraid I'm going to break the tranny or rear end.  Soooo, thus the Pinto project to set up as a racer.  I'll be using two of the motors like in my truck and a 2000 Amp controller.  Looking to see ~900 ft-lbs torque and ~450 H.P. My dilema is trying to find a suitable donor axle to build up.  Would a built 9" hold 900 ft-lbs?  If so it would no doubt be expensive.  I'm thinking that for my first go at a dragster I'm going to use the Sterling 10.25 with 4.11 gears that came off my old F-350.  Its sitting in my back yard for free.  I'd just need to cut it down ~5in on each side.  It'll be heavy, but I won't break it right away.

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.

Gaslight

Mike,

  I actually had this in mind orginally when I picked up my 74 Wagon.  Do a lot of research before you begin.  In the last couple of years there have been some real cool advances in motor controllers and motor designs.  This is another good site:

http://www.thunderstruck-ev.com/

  With the right amount of research and a solid design you will be real happy.

Jake
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electrabishi

Check this out:
http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/videos/PIR%209-28%20run%207.MOV

If John Wayland can turn a Datsun 1200 into a 12 second Electric Dragster what do you think we could do to a Pinto?  I'm gonna find out.  Picked up a 1980 Pinto Sedan a few weeks ago for $100.  I'll probably visiti this list often for some Pinto Know How.

John has other videos posted http://www.plasmaboyracing.com/

Mike,
Anchorage, Ak.
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