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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Gauge pod being made for Pinto's

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thecustommuffler

Whats the skinny on the pillar post gauge pod?
I need one.

82expghost

all i got out of this is that sumbody is making the spoilers again, where are they, i need one, i need one now, and not 400 bucks later
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Bigtimmay

Quote from: map351 on August 10, 2011, 08:48:27 PM
I'm still making the gauge pod, I made a new mold and it has a problem i have to fix, I'm swamped with work and trying resolve the mold problem please bear with me..

Mike

Lol thats alot better news then the email i got from yah. Now I wish I wouldn't have glassed my dash for my boost gauge. LOL Welp you do great work and hopfully I can get one of those pillar pods from yah at some point and maybe even a full hotpants kit.
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map351

Quote from: Bigtimmay on June 26, 2011, 02:27:30 AM
When i emailed him about these an the hotpants kit he said he stopped making them and as far as i know no one else makes them.

I'm still making the gauge pod, I made a new mold and it has a problem i have to fix, I'm swamped with work and trying resolve the mold problem please bear with me..

Mike
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Bigtimmay

When i emailed him about these an the hotpants kit he said he stopped making them and as far as i know no one else makes them.
1978 Mercury Bobcat 2.3t swapped.Always needs more parts!

don33

I know this is an old post but does anyone know if map or anyone else are making these gauge pods ???????

Q.M.C.78

i would really like 1 or 2 of those please get ahold of me. i,m not on computer much but if you could call please (509)470-7278 thank you
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entropy

Quote from: map351 on April 29, 2007, 08:57:50 AM
Is there any other pinto parts in glass that are needed?

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discolives78

I got an extra console and radio delete cubby hole from the junkyard, cut the top edge from the console and used a 87-93 mustang radio install kit to put in a Kenwood cd player then cut the back off the cubby hole and mounted 3 guage kit there, works out pretty well except car has to be in neutral to get cd out. but the pillar guages are a neat idea and would add a modern touch. Just uncertain about running wires for senders


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XCorePintoLover

I was wondering if anyone made them. If not I was going to try, but I am VERY interested in at least one and I don't care about the price.
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hellfirejim

I just started the 3 pod install and I like it for a number of reasons.  First it allows me space for more gauges to see what is going on.  It allows me to have a clean dash and I just think it looks cool.  A good investment at a good price.


http://www.fordpinto.com/smf/index.php/topic,7726.20.html   goto last post for pictures.

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Mornblade

I like the two gauge myself... I think that the three gauge would take one gauge to too difficult of a place to see with a sideways glance.

Then again, I'm short and have to sit closer to the dash than some other people.

beegle55

I'd be interested in a three-gauge setup to unclutter the gages on my steering console. PM me with/for more information and give me the price.
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bofferwacker

I want one now I am redoing my interior so I need it let me know the price.  I need one 3 pod in black... PM me please

77turbopinto

Quote from: map351 on November 14, 2007, 12:32:41 PM
What's you time worth?

Obviously less than yours, but then again, I never suggested YOU (or I) do anything.

I just figured that If someone wanted, and had some know-how, a BUYER might want to do some modification to one of your pods. I know that it would not be as easy as just cutting it, that's why I mentioned that some finish work would be needed. IMHO: It would be far easier for someone to modify a good quality F.G. one, than to try to fit one made for another car, or some cheap plastic universal one.

Sorry, but I only mentioned it to possibly help your sales.

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map351

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77turbopinto

Quote from: map351 on November 14, 2007, 11:20:54 AM
I destroyed the 2 gauge mold to make the 3 gauge mold, Since no one wanted the 2 gauge!
The 3 gauge pod is complete different, because of the short radius at the top of the windshield the 3 gauge won't work as a 2 gauge. The top gauge (#1) section won't work in the #2 spot and if you cut off the #1 sec, the #2 has no finished edge.
If you have a lot of time on your hands have fun..

Well, it was just a thought.

I repaired F.G. radomes, and other F.G. compsite structures for over 20 years, so maybe I look at it differently. I guess someone with little knowledge might have problems.


Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

map351

I destroyed the 2 gauge mold to make the 3 gauge mold, Since no one wanted the 2 gauge!
The 3 gauge pod is complete different, because of the short radius at the top of the windshield the 3 gauge won't work as a 2 gauge. The top gauge (#1) section won't work in the #2 spot and if you cut off the #1 sec, the #2 has no finished edge.
If you have a lot of time on your hands have fun..
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6S1941 / 289 Slab Side
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77turbopinto

Someone could buy a 3 pod and cut it to the number they want; maybe sell the rest? I know it would take some finishing work, but still doable I would think.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

map351

The 2 gauge pod run is done, (No one wanted them) Only 3 gauge pods. 79/80 Valances, rear spoilers ( Soon).
3 Gauge pods are $48.00 + shipping..
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map351

The 3 gage pod is here. I'm making 10 as a first run...





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douglasskemp

map351, they look really good.  If you are the one making these, I am thankful as many are that someone has noticed the lapse in available parts for our favorite little ponies.

If there is one thing I can think offhand that needs to be reproduced more than ANYTHING else, that would have to be the gauge cluster housings.  There are either three or four different ones, as I am not sure if the rallye gauges have a special one just for them.

The different ones that I know of are:
1)  early style with three idiot lights
2)  later style with four idiot lights (extra one for seat belt warning light)
3)  79-80 square style
4)  and then again if the Tach gauge (rallye)  setup has a different one, which is possible since the trim panel and lens are different.
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

Mornblade

I recieved mine a while ago, but just haven't had a chance to mount it yet.  Very nice, appears to be pretty sturdy, looks to have a nice fit.  When I get it mounted I will post a pic.

map351

Quote from: turbowagonman on October 05, 2006, 05:19:45 AM
I've sent him a Money Order for one I'll let you gut's know what it is like when I get it!

Shawn

Shawn if you sent me a money order for a pod i never received it?
I don't want this group thinking you didn't receive or your not satisfied with the parts i make.
2 pods have been sold & the second leaves this week (Mornblade) got the first & Tigger....


I have a 2 gage pod in my 73 pinto and it fits great and is easy to see when driving. On the 3 gage pod that will be this summer. I saw a greater need for the 79/80 front Valances so i went ahead and made the molds for them instead. The valances will be out of the mold starting this week..

Is there any other pinto parts in glass that are needed?
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douglasskemp

So, has anyone gotten any of these yet, and if so, any pics with them installed?  They look really good sitting on the bench, but lets get a set in a car!  Oh, and yes I would be interested in a couple, once they are approved by the local consensus (aka you guys).
--Doug
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

Starliner

My car is just a driver, but I gotta have a tach & temp gauge.  There is not very many places to add gauges.  So I put them in the center tray in a way that the tray is still useable.  I purchase AutoMeter gauges, a two pod bracket, and angled bezels.   I used the bracket upside down.   You need to be careful cutting the tray as it can break easily.  I drilled a million small holes and the used a dremel bit to finish.   The angled bezels are nice for perfect viewing.  Keep in mind that I just use the tach for reference and not racing/shifting.    I did not add an oil pressure gauge.  My experience is you either have oil pressure or you don't.  So the oil pressure idiot light is good enough for a driver.  I disconnected the temperature idiot wire.   
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80pinto302

oh wow! i was actually thinking the other day about having pillar mounted gauges, i want some too.
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jimskatr103

ide be interested in a couple.  Any three gauge?!?
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billnall

Quote from: turbowagonman on October 05, 2006, 05:19:45 AM
I've sent him a Money Order for one I'll let you gut's know what it is like when I get it!

Shawn

Have you got it yet??
2 or 3 guage pod??
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