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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Gaslight

Exactly right.  My duration comment should not be taken as a blanket statement.  And engines need to be built with and combination in mind to make sure they work together.  What is starting to happen with turbo engines being built of late (at least around here) is therory is changing a bit.  With less duration the lower RPM range of and engine makes more power sooner.  The tubo is being used to pressurize the cylinders to make the horspower up in the upper RPM's.  One of the limiting factors has always being bearing design and shaft RPM.  Now these newer generation of turbo's have bearings allowing for shaft RPM's up to 175K and beyond.  But you are right as this principal does not apply to every motor without considerstions.

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madmike8

Basically take them your statement... and tell them some guy on the net wants to know how/why...
cause I'm not getting it... Maybe it's one of those outside the box things... cause I have a hard time just thinking inside my head... but I'm always up for learning something new...

or if you understand it... maybe you could explain it...

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turbopinto72

However, It is all a combination of your " air pump machine" or engine. As we run 2.0, 2.3 and 2.5 single overhead cam engines, the combo can get log jambed with lack of air flow. For instance. My 2.5  Aluminum head engine has some pretty good air flow through it. I am running a 585 lift x 235 duration roller cam. Now, that sounds like a big cam BUT, at about 5,600 RPM the engine starts to fall off ( not that I need to run it over 5,600 rpm, I make 320 hp at 5,000 rpm) but the point is that the reason it falls off is because I am encountering a " restriction" in the " air pump" ( read engine). I know its not the head, Its not the turbo, It could be the exhaust manifold and it " may" be the cam ( not preforming up to the level of the other componuts). Other engines such as mine have used a 620 lift cam with great success. If I was going to spend money on my engine I would first start with the exhaust, THEN, up size the cam to a minimum 620 lift. Anyway, just my 2c.
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Gaslight

Well I get what they are doing.  I am running one of these turbo's on my Supra.  What explanation do you want?

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Quote from: Gaslight on May 25, 2006, 02:48:29 PM
I guess I should clarify that.  The newer generation of turbos.  I am lucky enough to be just down the street from Innovatine turbo and Turbonetics and have both of them as customers.  As a result i get to see a lot of testing going on.  They are finding that with the new generation of dual ball bearings and Inconel hybrid wheels that the valves do not have to open as far or as long to make more horsepower.  The turbos are being used as almost a second engine on there own now as they no longer have to run in spurts and can pretty much stay on all the time now.  Its one of the ways they are reducing lag.

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You've lost me on that one... Care to ask them for an explanation...
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Gaslight

I guess I should clarify that.  The newer generation of turbos.  I am lucky enough to be just down the street from Innovatine turbo and Turbonetics and have both of them as customers.  As a result i get to see a lot of testing going on.  They are finding that with the new generation of dual ball bearings and Inconel hybrid wheels that the valves do not have to open as far or as long to make more horsepower.  The turbos are being used as almost a second engine on there own now as they no longer have to run in spurts and can pretty much stay on all the time now.  Its one of the ways they are reducing lag.

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turbopinto72

Quote from: Gaslight on May 18, 2006, 09:18:24 PM
Turbos want less lift.  This is not something good for non turbo situations.  They also want less lobe seperation.

Jake

What ???, I think you might have wanted to say, Turbos want less duration.
Brad F
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dirt track demon

Quote from: 77turbopinto on May 10, 2006, 07:30:43 AM
DTD: The cam is the same for a n/a or turbo non-roller.

Ok just wondering.
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Gaslight

Turbos want less lift.  This is not something good for non turbo situations.  They also want less lobe seperation.

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dirt track demon

No it was a stock factory cam, but new.  Someone i know got the bright idea that since the rules at the track stated they couldn't use anything but stock parts and you weren't allowed any more lift than .420 that they would try a stock turbo cam, but i think they finished next to last and gave the cam to me then.
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Gaslight

Yeah.  Depends on what turbo it was made to run with.  Chances are what you got was a cam made to work with a very aggressive aftermarket turbo.  We have been talking about factory turbos up to this point.  Just throwing a turbo on like a T4 onto a 2.3 is not going to work.  Everything has to be compatible.  On my Toyota I have a set of cams that would cause the engine to just barley get out of its own way without the turbo in place.

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dirt track demon

Quote from: 77turbopinto on May 10, 2006, 07:30:43 AM
DTD: The cam is the same for a n/a or turbo non-roller.

  I was given a brand new .420 turbo non roller cam one time, I took my tired old stock cam out and put the other one in, and it was the biggest turd I ever ran in a pinto,  any ideas why if they are the same cam?
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Gaslight

Exactly the same deal.  Probably with a bit newer electronics as the EGC units have been discontinued for some time now.  They even made one called a HKS DIS EGC unit.  The DIS referred to (Distrubutorless Ignition System).  Essentially it turned the distrubutor into a sort of crank sensor.  Cam with coil packs and everything with a EGC built in and a high energy ignition system that check resistence in the plugs and wires before every firing and adjusted voltage.  Unfortenuatly they were only made for 6 cylinder engines.  I have one never used and they are really tuff to come by.  I just have nothing to use it on right now.  I am using another one on my Dad's 63 Corvair Spyder turbo.  Works really well.

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turbopinto72

On my Black Pangra I am using a Mallory Hyfire VII ( 7 ) series Ignition box. Some of the features are. (2) rev limiters, Auto start retard ( so you can advance your Dist. but it will start up at base., and what I like is it has a single stage retard which is adjustable from .1 deg to 25 deg and uses a MAP sensor. With this, I can adjust my timing to retard as the boost comes up in about any increment I want.
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Gaslight

Oh yeah.  That would be the purpose of the HKS EGC (Electrical Govenor Control).  It take manifold boost pressure and allows you to rebuild a new timing signal based on boost pressure.  So you can retard the ignition based on the boost from the turbo.  They work really well.  They are a little tough to find these days but are still out there.  I am willing to bet the stock pistons will take 6 psi if you can keep the detonation under control.

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turbopinto72

Be careful with those stock Cast pistons though........... :o
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Gaslight

You would not need to even swap in a turbo 2.3.  Although admittedly that is the best option.  You could use a turbo 2.3 manifold and turbo to build an inexpensive blow-thru setup.  Keeping it at 4 lbs. of boost or below would get you a real nice runner.  You could kick it to 6-8 psi by adding an ignition retard unit like a HKS EGC.  That would take car of the detonation.  You would have a pretty nice runner.  Although I think 8 would be a mistake on a driver 6 psi with a EGC unit or something similar would work well.

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pintoracer02

Didnt the question say that it was for the money and if you swap a t/c 2.3 motor in a pinto you definitly like the difference way better than just a cam or header.  I think its got to be the best option for the money spent plus theres even more power later that you can pull from the motor if you get more money to spend on it.
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Gaslight

Turbo's actually want cams that are closer to stock than anything else.  Installing a turbo on a stock motor will net you a lot as long as you keep the boost down and you won't really have to do anything to the inside of the motor.  Now a cam to take full advantage will need a little carb tweaking, cylinder head work (if even just a port matching) header and a better exhaust.  A better cams whole reason is really better breathing at its most basic.  If it can't get the extra air it wants and get it out then a cam really has not done much.  Of course the same could be said for a turbo system.  I agree that a cam is a good upgrade.  But even if you did a cam with all the other stuff listed to go with it a well thought out turbo system will give you much more power and drivability.  As long as you stay out of the boost your gas mileage won't even really be affected.  Too me that says the best power adder for your hard earned greenbacks.

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DTD: The cam is the same for a n/a or turbo non-roller. I agree, just "one" part would would be the cam, but adding a "turbo" does not allow that; You need many other parts to hook it up and make the car run (durably).

I have done both a cam on a bone stock engine, and a "header" to a different one, then both one one engine. In my opinion the power gains from either alone are almost not noticeable, cam alone is slightly better, and the two togeather is only slightly better than that. If you are using a stopwatch you will see a difference. I have felt a better increase by deleting the p/s.

Don't expect a header to do much with the stock exhaust either.

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dirt track demon

I think the most power to be gained from one replaced part would be the camshaft,  you can change a cam for about a buck fifty.  How expensive would a turbo set up be, saying we are buying the stuff new.  And wouldnt you need to change camshafts anyway if you were to convert to turbo?
Therefore my logic in saying camshaft.
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Gaslight

I voted turbo but it would also depend on the context.  Some just want a little more power out of the stock motor and others want to scare Corvette owners to death.  Then there are those in the middle.

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77turbopinto

Turbo.

This does include the entire swap though, but still the best DURABLE bang for the buck (IMHO). A good running full donor car can still be had for under $500., and depending on your goals, can be installed fairly cheaply.

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FordMan

What do you guys think the best power adder is for your hard earned greenbacks?
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