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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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rbohm

if the duratech and vulcan engines share a bellhousing bolt pattern, and you want a manual trans, you can use a ranger 3.0 bellhousing and bolt a T5 behind it.
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If anyone's still interested, the '86 Aerostar had the 3.0/manual tranny as well.  I have one in the drive, currently inop (engine internal malfunction).
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Gaslight

Quote from: itmayblow on March 14, 2006, 07:38:33 PM
no i have the 200 hp v6 duratech 3.0 out of the dohc ford Taurus dose that make any diffrence?

  Not much of a difference.  Its still a Vulcan series engine.  I don't have any real experince with engine swaps involving automatics.  Everyone I deal with wants a manual which goes double for me.  Although if this is your daily driver I totally understand the want for an auto.  I always have an auto in whatever I daily drive.  As far as I know you are going to be stuck using the AOD from the 90's Aerostar.  At least if you want to keep it bolt on.  I know I could adapt just about anything else but its a matter of machining and fabrication at that point.  I have bought a lot of adapters from this place (http://www.rodshop.com.au/).  They are first class guys and really good products.  Ask them and they may have something already inhouse to swap in another transmission.

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Alot of the reliability issues with the a4ld is the pump itself.  They are a weird pump design, and it is very hard to remachine them, so most shops that couldn't afford the re-machined ones that i used to make, would call where i worked and ask me to sort thru all the used pumps and find one that still had some life in it.  I quit that job in 2001, at that time there were only 3 places in the world who could machine an a4ld pump with a non removable shaft; Ford, a reman place in china, and where I worked at powertrain recycling.  There are a couple types of a4ld pumps, some had removable auxilary shafts some didnt. the removable shaft type any one could remachine if they knew how to offset a lathe.  But the non removable kind presented the problem of an extra 2 lbs of metal swinging in the air making it vibration prone and apt to hit your cutter.  I Designed a turntable with different preset offsets, and did all the math and found a way to do them on the milling machine, but i had to get a company to design me a special cutter for it,  Fortunatly for me I was the only person who knew how to use my rig, and i didnt give that info up when i left, but im sure that in the last 5 years someone else has figured it out.

So after all this wind my question is to the guy whose buddy has all the luck with the a4lds, is your friend using the ones with the removable shaft, or are his rebuilds using a brand new pump from ford or some other aftermarket manufacturing company.

P.s. I know nothing about how automatics work or how to fix them, I was just the machinist who did all the machine work to restore old parts, take 60's and 70's parts and modify them to fit 2000 and up trannies when parts supplies were running low. And also the chief engineer of all new products and designs that related to the machining of said products.  You'd be surprised how many c-6 and c-4 parts can be re-engineered to fit todays stuff.  A lot of you might be shocked to find out that the extremely rare part you paid 350 bucks for actually came out of some old POS, and I made it look like a 2000, and Im sure a lot of rebuilders would too.  Most forward drums can be remachined to accept at least one extra clutch as well.
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itmayblow

no i have the 200 hp v6 duratech 3.0 out of the dohc ford Taurus dose that make any diffrence?

Gaslight

You have the SHO motor?  Won't fit.  I was measuring one up to do that very same thing.  At 34 inches long you would have to cut the firewall away.  But just for conversion sake I would use the AOD that came in the mid 90's Aerostar.  The V6 in the Aerostar was the Vulcan series motor.

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So what trans would you use if you wanted and auto
on a Vulcan motor. Just wondering because I have a 1998 Taurus with the dohc motor in it and it is lighter then my v8 and may have a better top end.

Gaslight

I sure wish I could.  But it won't fit.  Because of the head design the offset of the V6 SHO is more extreme.  In other words if you look straight down at the motor from the top the right bank of cylinders is offset much more than a standard V8.  Adding to its length.  Then you have a fairly large front timing belt cover.  The ignition system (once the engine is set to RWD) is up against the firewall.  That would not be to bad but with all the accesories the overall length is 30 inches.  Then when you flop the throttle body back to the now front of the motor so it will work in RWD it ends up being 33 inches.  It can be done but you would have to do some cutting.  Its not something I would want to do on this car.  Its just too nice.

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Quote from: Gaslight on February 11, 2006, 08:02:30 PM
Well this ends it.  I got to measure of a SHO 3.0 and a 3.2 today.  Oddly enough its not the width.  The engine will work width wise but the length is way to long.  At 33 inches the engine would nearly extend to the back of the grill.  So it looks like my sen=cond choice which seems to be the most popular.  The turbo 4 cylinder.  Thanks for all the opinions.

Jake


It's too long???? It can't be longer than my 351.. i still have about 1/2 inch between the rad and the bolts on the water pump snout. You gotta do this conversion, i wanna see it....somebody do it, my god that thing will fly! (especially with a turbo or 2  :evil:) YOU CAN DO IT!
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i can get any trans you want if the place has it $50 doesnt matter manual,auto or what it came out of $50.
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Gaslight

Well this ends it.  I got to measure of a SHO 3.0 and a 3.2 today.  Oddly enough its not the width.  The engine will work width wise but the length is way to long.  At 33 inches the engine would nearly extend to the back of the grill.  So it looks like my sen=cond choice which seems to be the most popular.  The turbo 4 cylinder.  Thanks for all the opinions.

Jake
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bigh4th

beleive it or not, the ratios in the 2.3-3.0 ranger transmissions aren't far off from a car trans.  the 4.0 manual has different ratios though.

and the toyo and m5od are pretty much the same size as a t5.  Possibly even smaller.

I can give a comparison pic of a toyo and stock pinto 4spd if needed.

-Harry

fomogo

Quote from: bigh4th on February 10, 2006, 07:56:23 AMIf Mr. Morgan is having good luck with his built a4ld, then great.  Its about time someone has.  They may very well live longer with an engine that doesn't make a lot of low-end torque.  But I know a lot of people with 2.9 and 4.0 vehicles who haven't had good luck with them...me included.

-Harry
Well... Joe, "Turbo Joe", was running the A4LD in the 2.3 turbo nitrous assisted ranger that was pretty quick. It had "good" torque. ;)
It all comes down to the builder and the quality of the parts.
If a shop knows them... they will be fine.
And when talking about a totally unique setup... ie... making a RWD SHO powered pinto... there will usually be something that has a price on it.

I just offered the info that the A4LD "can" be made strong and reliable with a little work.
Because even tho it IS a manual... a truck tranny wont be much fun in a high winding performance car. Also... look at the transmission tunnel modifications to house that tranny.


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Gaslight

75.00!!!!  Well you can't beat that!  I am used to dealing with stuff where the bellhousings are 300 or 400 dollars.  Man I love my Pinto!

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Got this from www.car-part.com.  Evidently they had the 3.0 in 86 as well.  Its for a 3.0 manual trans.

1986
Transmission Bellhousing Only
Ford Aerostar     I50557 $75 Morton's Auto Salvage USA-NC(Jacksonville) E-mail 1-877-937-0700

-Harry

Gaslight

Well thats some knew and welcome info.  I guess if I find the engine will fit hunting down that bellhousing will be the first order.  I wonder if Ford even still carries it?  Well I guess the hunt is part of the fun anyways.  Thanks for the info and narrowing down the search years though.  Good to know.

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bigh4th

Thats right.  I forgot the aerostars got the 3.0 in 87.  Evidently he got extremly lucky and found a manual aerostar (super rare) with the Toyo-kogyo (mazda's industry name) 5 speed.  those transmissions do indeed have a removable bell housing.

You'll only be able to find those in 87 and possibly 88 aerostars.  88 was the last year ford used those transmissions in anything and its very possible they quit using them in the aerostars in 87.

-Harry

bigh4th

Of course they can be built up better than 4.0 standards...but you're gonna pay big for it.

My ex co-worker had a 94 explorer that she bought brand new.  around 130,000 miles the a4ld crapped out.  Paid well over $1000 to have it rebuilt and it crapped out again after 10,000 miles.  She had  it done at a very good shop out here and the fellow that did it told her before hand it was a hit or miss situations with that trans.  Needless to say, he got her another trans from the junkyard and rebuilt that one for her and she's on the road again.  didn't charge her either.

Fact is most places (out here, anyways) won't touch them because they're the "comeback" king.  You've either got a winner or a flat out loser.

If Mr. Morgan is having good luck with his built a4ld, then great.  Its about time someone has.  They may very well live longer with an engine that doesn't make a lot of low-end torque.  But I know a lot of people with 2.9 and 4.0 vehicles who haven't had good luck with them...me included.

-Harry

Gaslight

Also according to this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Cologne_V6_engine

  The Cologne motor was also used in the Ranger and the Aerostar.  That's why I thought that the Cologne motor and the Vulcan motor might share the same bolt pattern for the bellhousing.  But this page:

http://members.cox.net/rdgrauman/Healey.html

  Seems to layout the most simple method for at least connecting a manual transmission (namely a T5) to a SHO motor.  The owner of the car has already been nice enough to email me back ansering a couple of questions.

Jake
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Quote from: bigh4th on February 10, 2006, 01:57:14 AM
As previously posted, the A4ld was junk, is junk, and will always be junk.  It will last longer if upgraded internaly to 4.0 standards, but its still a crapshoot.
Someone with a bit of know... and who likes to put thier cars thru a LOT of abuse disagrees... ;)
Read Joe Morgan's posts in this thread.
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bigh4th

The "vulcan" engines are totaly different than any of the 4.0 "cologne" engines.  Bellhousing bolt patterns are totaly different as well.

Any aerostar transmission is the same transmission used in a ranger/broncoII/explorer.  The AWD aerostars even have the same "4wd" trans, minus the transfer case.

your only choices for a RWD transmission are from a 3.0 aerostar, ranger, or 93 and up mazda M3000 trucks (re-badged ranger).  3.0 were never used in any other RWD Platform.   Those transmissions include: A4ld automatic and the mazda M5od manual.

As previously posted, the A4ld was junk, is junk, and will always be junk.  It will last longer if upgraded internaly to 4.0 standards, but its still a crapshoot.

The problem with the M5od is that it has a one piece case... meaning the bellhousing is not removable.  This means that you HAVE to find a trans from a 3.0 cause nothing else will work. Other than that, they're great transmissions.  They were also used in F-150s and if they hold up behind the ford 300 6 cyl, a SHO engine won't be any problem.

So, to sum it up, you only have 3 options if you want a manual for the conversion: 1 Use the 3.0 M5od, 2 somehow use an a4ld bellhousing with a t5 trans (doubtfull it will work), 3 shell out the $$$$ to have a custom bellhousing made for a t5.

-Harry

Gaslight

The Aerostar also used a manual tranny.  That's the bellhousing I was looking at.  I would rather shift.  ;D  Doing some research today I discovered that the SHO V6 is quite possible part of the Vulcan and Cologne family of Ford engines.  If this is true then I may be able to use a bellhousing and clutch setup from a newer 4.0 V6 mustang.  That engine crosses over to everything from the Aerostar to the Ranger and even the Granada.

Jake
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One thing...
The tranny in the aerostar is the A4LD... which isnt a great tranny... BUT... you can swap over the internals from a 4.0 explorer A4LD... and have a nice strong auto with overdrive for whichever application you desire ;)


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Gaslight

I respect smart alec.  I am a practioner of sarcasm.  That does not always come across well on Forums either.  If I can determine that it will fit the car than I will be posting pictures as I go.

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my apologies if i came across as a smart alec. but the aerostar transmissions are junk. bell housing should hold up about the only thing worthy of an aerostar transmission. tghe t5 is a plenty strong number . so when the beast is complete please post a picture
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Gaslight

Well I was not even coming close to thinking about using a FWD trans but I did find out that a Aerostar bellhousing mated to a 90's Mustang T5 will bolt up.  All I need to do is make a 1/2 inch adapter for the trans to the bellhousing.  So that is one hurdle overcome.

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yeahitsnotahemi

There is absolutely no way a fwd trans will work in a pinto..without major MAJOR modifications..and while the aerostart trans will work..aerostars are notorious for transmission failure...my mother in law has a 94 aerostar she had the trans rebuilt twice..finally gave that up bought a new trans and now it wont shift into overdrive...so using an aerostar trans is not recommended if you ask me
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bigh4th

if it shares the same bellhousing as the RWD 3.0, then a manual out of any 3.0 ranger will work,  you'll just have to figure out how to adapt a hydraulic clutch system to the car you put it in.

Also, the ranger 3.0 is the same engine as the taurus 3.0. If the SHO motor has the same block as the 3.0, you shouldn't have too much trouble mounting it in a RWD vehicle.

-Harry

Gaslight

Well this would not be the first front wheel drive motor I have switched to a rear wheel drive platform so that is not something I am to worried about.  I want a 5 speed and I don't think building or adapting a bellhousing would be to big a deal.  I am going to a junkyard this weekend where I already know there are several of these motors sitting in the cars.  So a few measurments should tell me if I can take the next step.

Jake
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fomogo

I am researching this.
The tranny from an areostar 3.0 will bolt up to it.
It is an A4LD.
One of the guys on turboford is working on a 5.0 tranny adapter.
I am thinking HARD about this swap in the future.


Jim
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