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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

Purple Pinto at Knotts Berry Farm

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Pintopower

hey Pintony! I have a couch for you! It's even in doors! However, I also have a couch in the barn with all the pintos if you perfer.... What days are you planning on being here? I can definatly put you up Firday the 7th till 10th no problem. Plus then we can all leave here bright and early for the show with the rest of the club and spend all saturday detailing the cars! Now thats what I call a great weekend. Tell me what you think. Call me in the evening and I can give you the specifics. I am about 25 miles from Knotts berry farm. Hope to hear from you.
Alberto
626-221-7681
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintony

Hello 71hotrodpinto,
  :sorry:I do not have any NOS FORD Pinto front rotors.
How much are they asking on ebay?
I do have NOS sports mirrors.
"I think" the set I have is the early set W/ manual RH mirror
I do have used mirrors too.
I'll dig them out and make sure thay are in working order.
Do you want the remote RHS mirror? CUZ that is all I have used.
For anyone interested I have a SET of 4 NOS Ford 13" chrome rings for the ralley wheels.
Never out of the package. 100.00
From Pintony

71hotrodpinto

Hmm parts huh??
Weeeelll i need a complete rear quarter for my um Ohh just kidding.
  Im actually needing a nos 71-73 front rotor. I have one, but its the last item i need to make the braking system ALL NEW again. And i was hoping to get a matching one to the nos one i have.
And well ive been tossing the idea around of getting them from ebay but ill give you a shot instead, Do you have a Set of remote side mirrors? Used would be fine if they had all the hardware and gaskets in decent shape and good mirror glass. I know those are pricey NOS. I prob woulnt be able to afford them if you had Nos anyways. I thought id ask.
  Robert

Pintony

Hello California members,
I will be removing my BIG Speaker box to allow more trunk space and some tools "That since I'm bringing them I'm sure I wont need" :angel:
And a spare tire... That I hope I wont need!!!!! :angel: :angel: :angel:
My plans are to really rough it as I will only be bringing a pillow and bed-roll to sleep.
I will play the rest by ear.
I may go to the Ford dealer to see if they have the stuff you see on the new cars when transported to protect the paint?

Important subject!
Does anyone need parts???
OK!!! :stop: before you start!!!!... I'm not driving to Ca. with a Pinto rear 1/4 on my roof!!!!
But if there are parts that you need? It could off-set some of my fuel bill.
Anybody need a complete NOS Pinto battery tray assy????? ;D ;D ;D
Where am I staying????
I am open to offers if someone has an extra couch in their back yard to sleep on. ;D
I hope your dog dosen't snore too loud!
BUT you have to have room in your Garage because I'm not leaving my pinto on the street!!! ;D

Hey Pintopower,
  I'll call you when the show gets closer to get address for 6:30 am at you house day of show.

More Later...
From Pintony





71hotrodpinto

  :fastcar:
Hey pintony!
Are you going to put a 'bra' on the front of the purple ? Without it id wonder what might happen to the paint from all the bugs and lil rocks that seem to get attracted to nice paint.
Anyways its going to be a hell of a trip! I once made a trip with an ex girlfriend to Oklahoma from hemet,Cali and we did it in 24 or so hours :sleep:. Just stopping for gas and food. Wont do that again though! lol!
Well wish i could make it out to see you but our new baby girl is due in early to mid march, so I'm not sure if i can con the wife to go see cars a month after the birth. :hypno:
ON a different note , you might see my boss there, he owns a Race Capri. Its Awesome. Color silver, with a fender flare 'kit' and full road race suspension. His name is Allen. you might meet him. I told him about you and your "Purple Pinto" He thought it sounded cool.

Anyways blessings on your trip and may it be a smooth one!
Robert 

gentlegiant

Hey guys, take lots and lots of high-res pictures for us Pinto lovers on the other coast. :hypno:

Pintopower

Oh, BTW, where will you be staying the night before? We will meet in the morning at 6:30 near Knotts for breakfast with the pinto guys. When I figure out where it will be tell you and post it in the other section about the show. Call me if you have any questions. 626-221-7681
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Pintopower

Cool Pintony! We should have a whole bunch of cars there this year! I have  some friends coming from up north too! This yera should be a blast! Now we just need Scott to come by.....
I have many Pintos, I like them....
#1. 1979 Wagon V6 Restored
#2. 1977 Wagon V6 Restored
#3. 1980 Sedan I4 Original
#4. 1974 Pangra Wagon I4 Turbo
#5. 1980 Wagon I4 Restored
#6. 1976 Bobcat Squire Hatchback (Restoring)
...Like i said, I like them.
...and I have 4 Fiats.

Sir Hugh

Hi Pintony!  Just wishing you good luck on this trip.  It should be an amazing one what with driving your pinto half way cross country.  That just has to be fun. I'll be looking forward to meeting you in April.  There just may be three purple pintos at the show this year.  That alone is a sight.  Have fun and be safe (take care of that car).  ;D ~"Sir Hugh"
Loving my plum 1978 Pinto Hatchback.  He has a rebuilt engine and is running like new. Beautiful. He still needs a new paint job though.

Pintony

Hello Dave,
WOW! That would be great to have a 2/3 CONVOY!!!!
Do we have a 3rd to make the trip out there????

I know what you mean about keeping the milage off your original Pintos.
I would not drive my lime green that far.
I drive lime green to springfield every year about 120. miles round trip.
That is about as far as I would go W/O a trailer
Keep me posted.
From Pintony

Original74

Tony, sounds great. I drove Pinto's in the '70's and I know what you mean about 200 miles per tank! I did field service work and drove about 35,000 miiles a year. I had to fill up every day, sometimes twice, but at that time I could fill up for $3.00!
I was going to post back and ask you if you were drivng your Pinto, sounds like you are. That's awesome. I wish I had the time to drive on out to LA with you. I am wanting to keep the miles off of my Original 74 sedan and have purchased an enclosed car hauler and Dodge Ram to tow it. A little overkill, but hey, it's worth it.
I have made probably 4 trips to CA in my Pinto's in their day. Limped a '72 wagon all the way home from San Francisco on three cylinders, packed with wife, 2 kiddo's and two weeks luggage. Wouldn't trade the experience for anything.
I just might look at this trip. Now that I know you are driving, it would be a blast to travel the rest of the way out there with you.
More later,

Dave
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

Pintony

Hello Dave,
Yes I remember meeting you and your son in P.F..
Yes I will be going to Carlisle June 2-4.
In my travels I figure an average of 50 miles pr. hr. so I would be near you about 5-6PM on thursday the 6th of april.
I was just crunching some numbers...
A show I went to about 80 miles away last year and I ran out of fuel before I got home.
As many know I my tank was damaged and I am not getting a full load of fuel.
I will be installing a new fuel tank before I go to L.A. so I can get the full 11 gallons of fuel.
Even then I can only run 200 miles before stopping for gas.
From Pintony

Original74

Tony,

I am in Tulsa OK, 100 miles into OK, about 450 miles from you. Would love to buy you dinner. I met you in Pigeon Forge. I was the guy who was traveling home to OK with my son from VA. Stopped by and met the group Saturday AM in the rain.
I was going to do Anaheim this year but have chosen to go to PA in June. You making that trip?
As the time nears, let's touch base again.

Dave
Original74
Dave Herbeck- Missing from us... He will always be with us

1974 Sedan, 'Geraldine', 45,000 miles, orange and white, show car.
1976 Runabout, project.
1979 Sedan, 'Jade', 429 miles, show car, really needs to be in a museum. I am building him one!
1979 Runabout, light blue, 39,000 miles, daily driver

Pintony

Hello Tercin
Festus would be great for a first pit-stop.
Thanks for the traveling tips.
From Pintony

Tercin

Pintony
You are welcome to swing by Festus MO.  When you get in to Oklahoma, 44 turns in to a toll road, you will have to pay a few bucks. When you get to Williams Arizona stop in at Rod's Steak house, it is awesome and one of my favorite places. You should have a great time.

Tercin
The only Pinto I have
73 Sports Accent
Rust free California Car

Pintony

Hello Group,
I am planning my trip to attend the knottsberry farm show on april 9 2006.
After looking at the map I will be taking 44 west that eventually turns into 40 west into L.A.
Hopefully fuel will not go above 2.50 on my trip!!!!!
Though I am budgeting for 3.00
Anyway anyone that is near 44 or 40 on my trip that wants to see my Purple Pinto or has HOT COFFIE on my trip please contact me.
If all goes as planned I will leave early thrursday the 6th headed west.
more later...
From pintony