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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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turbopinto72

Tony, that was realy old............
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Quote from: turbopinto72 on July 31, 2006, 09:12:35 PM
Well, as someone on this site has once again busted my chops on a mistake I will correct it. I wanted to say 5 lug, 67-68 MUSTANG axles are a bit longer not Mavrick ( which I do not know anything about apparently)  ;)

Hey Brad,
I do not see the post where you claim someone was busting your chops.
Is that because I have you on speed dial???
See what happens when I go back to  :read: old posts

77turbopinto

Yes, the 67 and later stang axles are wider and will not fit in the Pinto rear. The 66 and older ones are not as wide, but I don't know if they will fit in the Pinto housing. I can say the Maverick axles are about .25" SHORTER and will not engage the splines as much as they should if used in a Pinto rear.

There is a bunch more info in this section in the thread for the 8" rears.

Bill
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turbopinto72

Quote from: turbopinto72 on April 22, 2006, 10:17:57 AM
The 5 lug axles are a little bit longer that the 4 lug axles. However, I think there is room in the carrier to accommodate the extra length.
Well, as someone on this site has once again busted my chops on a mistake I will correct it. I wanted to say 5 lug, 67-68 MUSTANG axles are a bit longer not Mavrick ( which I do not know anything about apparently)  ;)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

turbopinto72

The 5 lug axles are a little bit longer that the 4 lug axles. However, I think there is room in the carrier to accommodate the extra length.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pintoman2009

i thought i seen a thing on a site somewhere that had this adapter thing that switched it to another lug type but i dont kno maybe it was sumtin else
Posted By the 1980 ford pinto kid

datazz

The 73 wagon that I bought in ft.wayne had a 4 lug bolt pattern drilled out for a 5 lug.

pintoman2009

isnt there some kind of adapter thing too that switches 4 lug to 5 lug
Posted By the 1980 ford pinto kid

datazz

Hey,On ebay under mustang II,I bought a set of 5 lug 9 in. rotors for my 80 pinto wagon for $75.00 including shipping and they work great.They have them in 5 lug chevy or 5 lug ford.

turbopinto72

Quote from: ford guy on March 27, 2006, 11:52:17 AM
street rodder magazine . you can get them any where.
southern rods has them
  drake has them and jim carpenter. kits  do it right

you can even go with 11 inch disc if you want

Please note, 71-73 Pintos will not work with the Hot Rod kits they sell.
Also if you use 11" rotors you will need to have at least 15" wheels.
Kind of important information wouldn't you think???
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

ford guy

street rodder magazine . you can get them any where.
southern rods has them
  drake has them and jim carpenter. kits  do it right

you can even go with 11 inch disc if you want

turbopinto72

Take a look in the FAQ section where I post on doing this swap on  71-73 pintos
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

77turbopinto

No, the granada brackets/calipers will not fit on the pinto spindles. You will need custom brakets for any calipers you use with the granada rotors on a pinto, but the brakets for GM metric ones are out there (and cheap). I have not heard if the granada spindles will work on the pinto a arms, but I tend to doubt it. Even if they bolt in, the geometry might get messed-up.

I have not done it, but you will need to do some cutting and welding to install rear disc brakes on a pinto rear, or to install a rear with discs in a pinto. There is a lot to it, and I would say that drums are easier in the long run. If you plan to do it try to find a rear that someone has converted and is ready to bolt in (I have never seen one for sale). If you can't, and you want to make your own, get a full donor rear with ebrake cables so you will have all the parts you need. I installed a rear from a 68 stang and it took some work, but the pinto ebrake cables worked fine. This spring I plan to re-do the shoes on mine, the rear has big drums and I get too much braking from them. I am going to use 4 'front' shoes, or install a manual proportioning valve.

Bill


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Pintony

Hello David,
Mustang II rotors will still be 4 lug.
You will have to get the ones that the ROD guys use for the % lug.
from Pintony

david_duck

Hey thanks alot guys that was easy enough!!!  gonna buy oem replacement must.ii front roters from advance auto with all the hardware I need to do it up right!!

77turbopinto

"Plum", I get it.

I did the granada swap, I like it. I posted some details either here or in the help section.

Pintony, do you have those parts ready to ship to me? Please let me know.

Bill
Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Having not tried the 11" rotor since I put a set on my Turbo Pinto back in 1984 I PLUM forgot about the Granada swap.

turbopinto72

Just making sure we point out the stuff we know............ ;)
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Hey Brad,
GREAT POINT!!!
I did not read the text for those rotors. They look right though.
Hey David,
  turbopinto72 has 1 up-ed me. Check with the seller first! ;D
From Pintony

turbopinto72

Quote from: Pintony on October 23, 2005, 06:48:10 PM
Hello David,
These are the cheepest I have ever seen the front rotors you need.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mustang-II-ROTORS-NEW-Street-Rod-Ford-5-lug-pair_W0QQitemZ4583208952QQcategoryZ34199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Bolt on W/O modification for the 74-80 Pinto.
From Pintony

I see that the seller says " 9+", I would email him and ask exactally what size these are. If they are 9" than your calipers will work, If they are 11" ( granada rotors) then you will need to do a caliper swap. ( I figure its better to ask a question than stuck with the wrong product). Just my 2c.
Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

Pintony

Hello David,
These are the cheepest I have ever seen the front rotors you need.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mustang-II-ROTORS-NEW-Street-Rod-Ford-5-lug-pair_W0QQitemZ4583208952QQcategoryZ34199QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Bolt on W/O modification for the 74-80 Pinto.
From Pintony

david_duck

where do I find the parts to do the 5 lug front end? I have searched high and low on here all I find is mustang stuff........do parts suppliers not believe in the power of the all mighty pinto? >:(  this is gonna be a fun project to do since I have found the pros to know!!!

Pintony


turbopinto72

Brad F
1972, 2.5 Turbo Pinto
1972, Pangra
1973, Pangra
1971, 289 Pinto

pmfman

KDC

david_duck

Hey thanks for the info on the front end swap.... as for me I'm 34 years old,married to my wonderful wife for 3 years. I live in east TN.I have a very rough '78 but I have my eye on an '80 model to restore gonna do the 302 engine swap (with lots of help from the people here @ the pinto cafe) I have the rear end out of a wagon with 3.55 gears to go in what ever car I build, my engine is @ the mech. shop hopefully I'll get some pics of my project on here soon. My wife thought I had lost my mind at first till she saw some of the pintos on here, you guys have some nice rides!!! and again thanks for all your help (more ?'s to come I'm sure!!)

Pintony

Boy!!!!
My Pinto must be real fast!
I did not even know we were RACING!!!!!!
From Pintony

77turbopinto

Thanks to all U.S. Military members past & present.

Pintony

Hello David,
  Welcome to the Ford Pinto .com.
Maybe you could tell us a bit about your self and, Most importantly about your Pinto. ;D
The 74-80 Pinto is an easy swap although not using J.Y. parts.
The early Pinto is a bit harder.
From Pintony

david_duck

Hey folks new guy here,I have been a fan of pintos for a long time and I am in the process of doing a v8(302) swap in one now and I was wondering what it takes to put 5 lug rotors on a pinto? (junkyard parts if I can). any help would be greatly appreciated!!  this site is awesome I have found several Tricks on my swap keep up the good work!!