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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

My last week here

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dga57

Welcome aboard Brent!  So glad to know that Bob went to a good home. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

"Hutch" is gone...
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Wittsend

Thanks Rob (I corrected it). From DAY 1 on this site if I backspace more than once the font will still appear (to me) in the typing panel as the default 10pt. font but when it posts it goes to the miniscule size you have noted. This happens regardless of the computer I use so it must be something in the software the site uses. It happens with other forums that use this software too. Frustrating but the simple fix is to highlight the text area and then set the font size to 10pt. (or the size of your choice)


Below is a screen shot of my doing the same thing to this very post. All I did was cut & paste the original text and it changed the size after I backspaced more than twice from the start of the paragraph. And the size change seems to be arbitrary. In this case only to 78% but as you noted in the previous post it was very small. (Click on image to enlarge and see)

BobcatWagun

I agree about Mari too. When we met in 2009 I was single and wanted to start dating her again, but she was in a bad place with a controlling ex and kids, so I stayed my distance. Then in 2022, she wanted to get back together and I was engaged to my now wife. It just never worked out for us.

Also yes the Air Force was great for me as it was a lot of people. Certainly the highlight for my life career-wise.

rob289c

Witt:  your text went to it's real small font size.  After zooming in, I have to agree with you on the Torino, and especially Mari!

Brent: I am very familiar with the NDI lab.  I did a total of 23 years (Active, Guard, Reserve) and also retired as a MSgt.  I retired in 2005.  My son in law is a full time Raptor operator in my former unit, also a MSgt.  My daughter did one enlistment.  I am trying to convince my son to join.  It would do him a world of good. 

   
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Wittsend

The Torino and Mari have held up well over the years!  :)  Says this gray, balding 66 year old.  :(  

BobcatWagun

Nice Mustang! I've had two in the past, but my sister in-law is a Mustang Girl.

I did 22 years in the Air Force doing Non-destructive Testing (NDI) retired as a MSgt in 2002. Since then I've been in  the same career field, 10 years with Boeing and now 8 years with Honeywell Aerospace. Been a good gig  ;) When that picture with the white car was taken, I still in High School printing T'shirts for a living. lol

rob289c

Love the re-enactments!  We should have all done this, but never had the foresight to even think about it. 

Air Force...I'm retired Air Guard.  AGE Troop.  Originally Navy ASM (GSE).  Same job, different branch.  What did you do it the AF?

I never had a Torino...I was (am) a Mustang guy.  In July I will have had this one for 30 years.
rob289c

BobcatWagun

It was fun taking those pictures, but it was even better that my High School girlfriend Mari wanted to re-enact her pictures too. Our lives went separate ways after I joined the Air Force, but we are still friends. 

caravan3921

WOW...how cool are these photos!!  Aaahhh....the passage of time.....bittersweet.

rob289c

Cool pics!  Nice Torinos! 
rob289c

BobcatWagun

West Valley huh? I pretty much grew up in Glendale. Moved there as a kid when my Dad got stationed at Luke in '73. Went to Apollo HS and learned to drive a stick shift in my Mom's Bobcat in the West Valley Mall parking lot on Northern Ave! Got my driver's license in it and drove it for almost a year to work and a couple desert parties way out on in the desert at 59th Ave and Union Hills! lol, All city now.

This will be the first Mercury I've ever owned, but I've had plenty of Fords in my lifetime, but not exclusively. First was my '73 Gran Torino (bought in 1979). Later Fords were an 82 Mustang, a 69 Mustang Fastback, a different '73 Gran Torino and finally a '63 Econoline Van.

I'll start a new thread when "Bob" gets here to Az. But here's a picture of my Torino History all taken in the townhouses when my parents used to live at Northern and 49th Ave. White GTB (Gran Torino Brougham) was my first car, couldn't find it again unfortunately after years of looking so I bought my second GTB. Kind of set it up like my first one and then after having it for 10 years, gave it a more modern and muscle car look. 

caravan3921

So glad you acquired Bob, and your posting made our day!  We totally understand the pain of letting go of a beloved car but it couldn't have gone to a better home, so hoping that Bill finds comfort in that.
We live in the West Valley Phoenix area.  Welcome to the Valley of the Sun!

BobcatWagun

I'll take a look at your thread on the Hybrid, sounds interesting. 63 huh? Dang that's old! lol 

rob289c

Welcome back and glad you ended up with Bob.  Keep us posted on what you do with the car.  We are always looking for interesting reading and helping each other out. 

If you find some time, read about my project titled "Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster".  It's part 80 Pinto and part 67 Mustang.  Two pieces of junk that should have been scrapped years ago are being made into a fun buggy. 

And you're only 61?!!  I'll be 63 in April...
rob289c

BobcatWagun

Hello,
My name is Brent and I bought Bill's Bobcat off of eBay. At the time, I didn't associate the listing with Fordpinto.com having seen the listing posted on a Pinto/Bobcat group on facebook. Anyway after the auction I talked with Bill and he mentioned this site and I was like, I joined there in 2018, back when I was interested in finding a Bobcat Wagon...hence my profile name. Long story short, I had dropped the idea of a wagon years ago, but was still interested in finding a 4 speed lift back as that was what I learned to drive on when I was 16. I drove it, it was my parents car, for about a year to work until I saved enough to buy my own car (73 Gran Torino). 

Having bought Bill's car has been exciting for me and I can't wait til it arrives hopefully next week. Bill is a great guy and I feel for him having to sell his car for health reasons which I totally understand as I'm sure a lot of you on here know...getting old sucks (I'm 61 with my own issues for sure). It's been a  pleasure to learn about the car and hear Bill's stories and I look forward to communicating with him in the future about "Bob".

Rest assured the car is coming to a good home with plenty of car shows to attend! Not sure what the next chapter for Bob will be just yet as far as changes, but I'll do my best to live up to showing it love as Bill has done while it was in his care.

Hope to meet some of you all here. I understand at least one of you live in the Phoenix area and hope to meet up with you in person one day. Oh, don't worry, I'll change my Avatar picture from the Cougar head soon...lol Just had that on my profile since I joined.  Take care and Happy New Year!

mykidsmom

JoeBob,

I know you will miss Bob! I just had my 13th Pinto find me when I was out with my 12th. I have never owned the same color Pinto I have owned one since 1981 before they were cool. My mom bought me my first one when I was 16. I took it 4 wheeling and I could go just as hard as the Toyota's back in the day. I put over 111,000 miles on it in just over 3 years. So enjoy the memories of Bob glad I ran across your post before you left. I still dream about the different Pinto's that I have had and the stories of things that have happened.

dga57

Quote from: Wittsend on December 24, 2023, 10:19:47 AM
I never have dreams about my cars, only real life nightmares. Is it something you guys eat?

I've never had a nightmare, but I have had a lot of car dreams.  I guess that's part of being a car nut... which I have been ever since I was old enough to know what a car was!
I never experimented with anything that would have been liable to cause weird dreams.  Do you think I missed out on something?

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Maybe something I experimented with decades ago?  :-X
rob289c

Wittsend

I never have dreams about my cars, only real life nightmares. Is it something you guys eat?

rob289c

For over 35+ years I have had 5-10 dreams about the '66 Mustang I bought in 1980.  It is always a good dream because I found a long lost car.  It's always a disappointment when I wake up and realize the '66 is still long gone.  It's OK, I love my '67 Fastback and the thing I am building is going to be an interesting ride.  I can relate to both of your dreams, except mine are less frequent than yours...
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dga57

Quote from: JoeBob on December 22, 2023, 10:11:01 AM
They are coming on the 27th with a trailer. I bought Bob because a I had a repeat dream in 1999. I would go to my garage and find a car with a tarp cover. When I pulled the tarp I found I still had the pinto I bought in 72. I was all happy but when I woke up I was sad it wasn't true. I bet this happened 100 times. So I watched Ebay for 2 years to find a car worthy of buying.The new owned didn't have a dream, but watched ebay for 2 years to relive his youth. I am thrilled we both have a similar story. I will learn more on the 27th. 



Bill, you will be missed.  Your story of your recurring dream is very similar to the dreams that led me to spend nearly twenty years trying to find an orange 1974 Pinto Runabout with black interior.  In fact, that's how I found my way to this site and joined.  My very first car, purchased brand new when I was sixteen, was a 1974 Pinto Runabout, orange with black interior.  I was one of the few kids in high school with a brand new car, but my dad was insistent that I not  squander my money on someone else's problem... my car had to be new.  Considering that it only cost me $2900, he probably wasn't wrong.  I drove it a couple of years, then traded it in on something "nicer" but then suddenly, maybe five years afterwards, I started dreaming that I'd stumbled onto it (never under a tarp... just setting there sparkling like new) after somehow leaving it there and forgetting all about it.  I discovered it in the basement, in the back yard, at my place of work.  You name it, in my dreams it could show up anywhere!  I put up with that for years with great frequency and the idea of looking for it in real-life started to form in my mind.  Actually, I knew that was impossible because it had been demolished in a fatal accident with its second owner, but it didn't take me long to realize that there were bound to have been others like it and, as I said before, I launched into a nearly twenty-year search for the right car.  When I finally found and bought it, my dreams went away.  Other than its automatic transmission, the car is identical to my original.  One of these days I hope to convert it to a four-speed manual, and if it's meant to be, it will eventually happen.  Thanks for sharing your story.  Best wishes!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

caravan3921

Wow...what a story!!
You have found the perfect new owner!
Thanks so much for sharing.

JoeBob

They are coming on the 27th with a trailer. I bought Bob because a I had a repeat dream in 1999. I would go to my garage and find a car with a tarp cover. When I pulled the tarp I found I still had the pinto I bought in 72. I was all happy but when I woke up I was sad it wasn't true. I bet this happened 100 times. So I watched Ebay for 2 years to find a car worthy of buying.The new owned didn't have a dream, but watched ebay for 2 years to relive his youth. I am thrilled we both have a similar story. I will learn more on the 27th.

77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

caravan3921

The car has found a good new home, I'm sure of it.
Was the car driven to Phoenix or trailered down?
Can you tell us about the person who bought it?  A collector?
I hope to see it some day!

JoeBob

I know I did the right thing, but I feel like I betrayed him you can't sell a member of the family. The separation will be difficult for Bob and me. I know my life is coming to an end, but Bob is getting an opportunity to move on to a happy future.
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

rob289c

Bill, good luck with your move and I'm sure the new owner of Bob will love him as much as you did!
rob289c

caravan3921

We live in the Phoenix area with our 1978 Pinto. Hoping 'Bob' will be as well cared for as you cared for the car.  Maybe we'll even see the car at car shows around here!
Do you know the suburb where the new owner lives?
I suspect it's only a matter of time before we will be in the same situation where we'll need to re-home our beloved Pinto. Bought her on Ebay in Sept. 2005, she now has 32,000 miles.  My family knows that the car cannot be sold until after I'm gone.  it would be too painful for me to say goodbye while I'm still on this earth.  The Lord understands....
Will miss your updates.....I miss everyone who has passed on or no longer post on this site.  Life is a series of losses, it seems.

Wittsend

Bill, I wish you the best in dealing with your health issues. It will be sad to lose one of the few remaining "regulars" but time does move on. I do believe that you are responding with wisdom to your situation. In contrast wife has spent years trying to struggling with a "hoarder's mess" her mother left behind. Wishing you a pleasant Christmas and New Year.

JoeBob

    I have sold my beloved "Bob" He is moving from Denver to Phoenix. As my health diminishes I spend less and less time with "Bob" He has not left the garage in months. After 21 years of building, driving, and showing "Bob" I am unable to do that anymore.     Phoenix is good. With warmer weather and no snow, He can be out doing what he does best. Bringing people joy. He gets attention where ever he goes. He has been my daily driver. When I leave the house I always get complements. I can't go anywhere with out gathering attention. Sometimes I come out of a store to find a crowd of people looking at and photographing "Bob" It isn't right that he has been sitting all alone in the garage. I will be in and out of here for another week, but I will be moving on to something else. It has been a good run. I have never met any of you but do feel like I have friends here....Bill Fallert.....AKA joebob
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9