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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Dtmix

Awesome suggestion about the gps to compare against the Speedo! I will def do that as I may be worrying about nothing!

You are right...I don't know what I was thinking when I typed the nbr was sidewall measurements rather than the width...chuckling...

The tire shopping measurements I used was taken off the car's orginal price sticker, which proved the 165 numbers.

Happy Motoring!

Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

Mattb

I wasn't referring to your specific tire situation rather a generic statement. Speedometer changes are due to changes in tire diameter not width. There are online calculators you can find to compare your old tire diameter to the new. There are also online calculators to figure what speedometer gear you would use. The size of the tires that were on your car when you got it may not have been what it left the factory with. If your speedometer reading is close ( like  within 3 MPH @ 60 MPH) to what you get when you check it against a GPS then you are good to go.

Dtmix

The tires are from Coker Tires, Maxxis WSW 175/80R 13; The original sized 165's were impossible to find. What's the size difference between 165 and 175s? I was told it was like a quarter inch...but I am thinking if those numbers are in metric, so that would be ten milimeters. That's .39 inches if my math serves me correctly. Less than half an inch...would that make it 1.5 mph difference rather than your quoted three miles? Odometer Reading more or less? 🤔

Secondly, you made an excellent point about the Speedo being mechanical thus should be unrelated to the turn signals, which is electrical in nature...but oddly they stopped working until I restart the car. It hasn't happened in the last couple of days as I am driving it more (it hibernates during the winter months). Fingers crossed that it was just a quirky thing that resolves itself...I know, I know...nothing resolves itself, but I can only hope! 🤞🏻

See y'all in Carlisle!!! Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

Mattb

For the Pinto an inch increase in tire diameter  from stock will throw the speedometer off by about 3 mph.( assuming it is calibrated correctly to begin with). Using a speedometer gear with one less tooth will adjust for that. If the tire diameter is smaller than stock would want to go up in tooth number.
   Not to sound like a broken record( and someone correct me if I'm wrong) but your speedometer has no electrical input. There is no ground in the system. You have a mechanical problem.
  With regards to the turn signals corrosion at the bulbs/ sockets would be there areas where ground would most likely be a problem. Also consider a bad bulb. But your parking lights and emergency flashers might act the same way. If they work normally without the start stop you mention try swapping the emergency flasher for the turn signal flasher.

Dtmix

Thanks for the tips! I learned something new about the gearing adjustments...I knew there was a way to make such changes when you use a different tires...but didn't know exactly where! How much of a change in tire size before it requires a gear adjustment?

Nevertheless, that was not the issue with my car...both Speedo and turn signals would not work unless t drive it a mile or so, turn it off, and restart...then both worked as nothing happened.

A neighbor said it could be a faulty ground? Your thoughts? Where would I start to look if that's the case?

Happy Motoring! See ya at Carlisle!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

one2.34me

My speedometer never stopped working. I did lubricate the cable once. It was squealing or the speedo needle was jumping. I can't remember which now. 

Mattb

Take a look at the picture associated with reply#66.  Make sure the cable with the white gear on the end is secure. As you probably know that is your speedo cable with the driven speedometer gear on the end. There is a gear internal to the transmission that drives that white gear. That white gear can be changed to adjust for different tire sizes and rear axel ratios. The gears are made with several different numbers of teeth. While you're at it, might want to make sure the gear is in good shape. As stated previously if still a problem could try cable lube and or lube speedo head.  Looks like new cables are available. While changing the turn signal switch could fix your turn signal problem, it will not fix your speedometer. It's purely mechanical driven by that cable.

Dtmix

Did your speedometer stop working as well? If yes, and the switch did the trick for you...I will definately give that a try. Can you confirm your Speedo stopped or not?

I hope to see you at Carlisle,😀🚘

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

one2.34me

Quote from: Dtmix on May 19, 2022, 02:27:20 PM
Sorry for being out of touch!  I have been so busy with work and family!  I am resurfacing now as I plan to attend the Ford nationals at Carlisle in two weeks.  I needed to see what I have missed in the last few months! Any of you planning on bringing your Pinto to Carlisle???

I also noticed an issue with my Pinto, and wondered if any of you had ever experienced this or not.  When I first start my Pinto, it starts up fine, but the turn signals and speedometer would not work until it warms up and then I turn it off and restart it...the speedo and signals works like if nothing happened. What's the culprit of this?

Dan


My turn signals did the same thing. They seemed to work, occasionally, after they "warmed up". I finally replaced the turn signal switch with the listed switch below, D6OZ13341B. Rock Auto is sold out so I bought one on Ebay.


1975 FORD PINTO 2.3L 140cid L4 Turn Signal Switch | RockAuto


d6oz13341b: Search Result | eBay

The original switch was crusty with old dry lube and corrosion. The switches aren't cheap, but my turn signals now work perfectly. Note- this switch is for fixed steering columns.
Hope this helps you out.

Wittsend

When you say the turn signals AND the speedometer won't work are you referring to the lights that illuminate the speedometer, or the indicator needle doesn't move even if the lights are off (daytime)?

The turn signals and the needle moving aspect of the speedometer are two distinct problems. A loose speedometer cable can be the problem either where it attaches at the transmission.. ., or under the dashboard. Also the lubrication in the speedometer cable can dry out. In cold weather it gets worse. Since the cable is a wound spiral it will twist and store energy until there is enough to break it free of the hardened lubrication. This will result in a speedometer that reads nothing for a moment, then snaps to a higher than speed reading and commonly waves the needle back and forth. As the car heats up this can often free the lubrication enough that it eventually works properly. Otherwise the speedometer itself can be at fault. The bearing isn't suppose to need lubrication (in theory it is built in) but I have had old cars where a drop of light oil helped things.

As to the turn indicators I would disconnect/re-connect the connector at the steering column. This can sometime remove corrosion (if that is the point of the problem). As mentioned the grounds can be a problem at or near the light socket. All DC circuits work on a plus and minus polarity. To save on the cost of wire the manufactures use the whole steel body as the minus side of the circuit and run specific wires for the plus side. Corrosion can occur where the bulb and the light socket meet, where the light socket and the light housing meet or where the light housing and the car body meet. SOMETIMES (some sockets are surrounded by a rubber boot) you can take a length of wire, attach it to a clean, bare metal part of the car and then if visible the bare body of the socket. If the light lights then the problem is somewhere in the contact points of the mentioned grounds. Lastly, like the lubrication in the speedometer the contact points of the turn signals also have a grease like lubrication. Intended to inhibit wear and spark it too can harden and become an insulator.

dga57

As I said, I am NOT a mechanic and, based on messages posted after mine, I suspect I used the wrong terminology when I said "ignition switch".  The part that was replaced on my '83 Ford pickup was the one the key goes into and turns to start the engine, located on the right side of the steering column... whatever that's called. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Mattb

Mainly check for corrosion of the socket where it mounts in the housing and the contact points for the bulbs. Do your parking lights and emergency flashers do the same? Someone more experienced than me my have some input but I don't see how the 2 problems are related. As far as I know the speedometer is purely mechanical with no electrical input.  Have you ever had your gauge cluster out? Perhaps the speedo cable and the wiring harness are both loose.

Dtmix

It's interesting you mentioned the flasher, as that unit was replaced last year. I will recheck the connections. As for checking the grounds at the light sockets...please elaborate as I am unsure how to do that?

Like Dwayne experienced.. the speedo is dead with no turn signals...but once I drive it a mile or so, shut it down and restart...Speedo and signals works like nothing happened!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

Mattb

The ignition module is not the same as the ignition switch. The module mounts on the inner fender in the engine compartment. The switch is at the base of the steering column.( at least in a 77). Unless it changed after 78, the speedometer is driven by a cable from the transmission. Not sure why you would have an intermittent issue but check both ends of the cable are secure. Who knows when it comes to the turn signals. You could change the flasher but I say that only because its relatively cheap and easy to do. Testing with a volt meter at different points in the circuit would be the way to go. But when it comes to electrical issues in an old car check all your grounds especially at the light sockets.

caravan3921

Is the ignition module the same as the ignition switch?

dga57

Quote from: Dtmix on May 20, 2022, 02:24:39 PM
How should I test the ignition switch? It is not earth shattering, but like you said...it's annoying!

Happy Motoring,
Dan

Beats me!  I am NOT a mechanic.  I took the truck to the mechanic my dad always used and he replaced the switch and fixed the problem.  Sorry I can't be of more help, but the simple act of turning it off and restarting it matches up with what was happening with my truck  and it affected the turn signals and speedometer... just like your Pinto. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Dtmix

How should I test the ignition switch? It is not earth shattering, but like you said...it's annoying!

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

dga57

Never experienced that with a Pinto but I inherited my dad's 1983 Ford pickup when he died in 2004 and had a similar problem.  It didn't happen every time, but often enough to be annoying.  Turned out that the problem was in the ignition switch.  Replaced it and the problem was solved.  Not saying this will fix your Pinto, but it might be worth looking into.


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Dtmix

Sorry for being out of touch!  I have been so busy with work and family!  I am resurfacing now as I plan to attend the Ford nationals at Carlisle in two weeks.  I needed to see what I have missed in the last few months! Any of you planning on bringing your Pinto to Carlisle???

I also noticed an issue with my Pinto, and wondered if any of you had ever experienced this or not.  When I first start my Pinto, it starts up fine, but the turn signals and speedometer would not work until it warms up and then I turn it off and restart it...the speedo and signals works like if nothing happened. What's the culprit of this?

Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

r4pinto

I have a 1980 runabout I will cut the floor out of and use it. As for reproduction pans they have been made for about a year and are approx $100 per section. All but one section of my floor is good.
My interior is red, and except for the seats the interior isn't bad. I do need to take care of new carpet, headliner, and seats. The plastic panels though aren't bad. ui
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Dtmix

What color is your interior? I may have some interior pieces that might be helpful. If you are looking for replacement floor pans, I would reach out to dismantling yards in the SW part of the county like Arizona.  As for reproductions, there aren't any...but it would be worth while to check out Ford Mustang reproduction parts catalogs and try to get the closest match that you could find as they both share the same fox platform.

Good Luck and Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

r4pinto

Thanks! Always good to get encouragement. Right now I'd be happy if the seats weren't falling through the floor. She's very rough. Seeing yours is inspirational and eventually I will be doing ac in it. You know how our weather is. 10 months of winter, construction, and hot as shizod with about 2 weeks of nice weather . I saved the name of the company that did your vinyl work and am familiar with plain city so I'll let them do the trim. That'll of course be later down the road when it's better to look at. Wouldn't mind going to the shriner's car show if they have it again. Been a few years since I went to it.


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1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

Dtmix

Yes, I am about twenty minutes from you per your profile info.

I just replaced the p/s pump and p/s hoses, idle pulley, and the AC clutch. I am behind with my forum/blog as for adding narratives and pictures...I will try to catch up soon!

Contact paper is definitely a cheaper route to take. I saw another red 1974 Pinto Squire wagon at the Pinto Stampede, and that owner used contact paper. The color was pretty good match, not perfect but only Pinto owners would know the difference. He told me it lasted for a couple of years before it struck and bubbled up. If you keep it as a fair weather car, you might get away for several more years...the advantage of contact paper is that it is not permanent, so you can just peel it off and reapply another...the trim pieces that surround the wood siding is much more of a challenge due to the indentations and curvature...the 3M stuff was difficult to apply so I would imagine it would be nearly impossible to get the contact paper to adhere!

If you need help to locate trim pieces or parts, let me know! If you need motivation, let me know and I'll bring my Squire over...

Happy Motoring!
Dan 
Happy Motoring!
Dan

r4pinto

Quite the story on your wagon. I noticed the Ohio plates. Nice to see another Ohio Pinto owner. Just got myself a squire wagon, although the way it looks you can't call it much of a wagon. More of an embarrassment on wheels lol. I have an 80 runabout in the garage that will give some parts before I sell it. Yours though is somewhat helpful. I'll for sure keep that woodgrain company in mind once my body gets to where it'll be worthy of higher priced vinyl. For now... Dollar tree contact paper. It'll at least look better than what's on it.  Any other plans for your car or just enjoying it now?
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

PintoRoyL

I am not necessarily a purist Dan, but I do appreciate a good stock restoration project. I tend to like to have personal touches to my vehicles, whether they be performance oriented, or comfort oriented (or both), sometimes with some mild bodywork modifications.
I have not yet decided which tire size I want, but would like something just a little wider than stock.  I checked that Facebook ad that you sent me a link to on my project thread. I was pleased to see that if I so choose, I can find 14" and even 15" 4 bolt rims. That would open up a larger selection of tires.
As for my interior, I began going black when the car got painted white in the middle '80s. The current carpet is a red/orange shag house carpet left over from a home remodel my parents did in the mid-late '80s. I have black door panels, kick panels, and luggage side panels. The headliner and dash pad are the original avocado green. Dash pad was the first thing I replaced when I bought the car in 81, I bought it the original green at the time, and later as I began charging colors, I painted it black, and also put a dash carpet cover over it. It should still be in decent shape if it has not gotten dry and brittle.

Dtmix

Hi PintoRoy!

I got my carpets through SMS Auto Fabrics, who subcontracted it to ACC carpets. If your carpets are of typical colors like black, red, etc., you would be best advised to cut out SMS and deal with ACC directly to circumvent the markups...in my situation, I had the hard to find Vaquero colored interior, so it was worth the markup to get a better color match as they have the capability to order colors that may not be as readily available.

As for the visors, SMS had the same said colors in the factory correct Tier vinyl fabric. They carry all factory colors. I would recommend them for that service...with a caveat...if you are seeking black, save your cash by going with those available online as they are half the price. Other than black, SMS is the way to go. Let me know what color you are seeking, and I will do my best to find the link for you.

As for the tires, Coker is who I went with as they had them in stock with the WSW tires that I wanted as I am more of a purist...if black walls are what you are seeking, they have those as well but you might find them for less elsewhere...but as I have said before, I was amazed out of all the parts I sought for, the tires was the most elusive for me! When I speak with others, they have shared my sentiments as well... what size are you hoping for? I can try to look around for availability for ya?

As for the speed of my project...a lot has to do with having more time during the pandemic, and the motivation to get it ready for the Pinto Stampede. The stampede was almost the biggest carrot that I ever had as a motivator! Chuckling...

Thanks Dewayne for your kind words, and I will try to get those pictures posted by tomorrow...

Happy Motoring,
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

PintoRoyL

I've read your project beginning to end. I agree with post 81 or 82, you've done all the right things. I am fascinated at how quickly you got everything accomplished. You commented on having the new carpet installed. Can carpet kits still be found for a Pinto? Mine is a '74 Runabout. Should I check with the outfit that did your visors? And, you got your tires from Coker?

dga57

Hey Dan,

Frankly, I'm not the least bit surprised that your Squire wagon won "Best of Show" - it is in phenomenal condition! 

Glad to hear you enjoyed the Pinto Stampede and am anxiously awaiting those pictures!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Dtmix

The more I drive it, the better it is running. I drove it 622 miles total last week at the Pinto Stampede using the seafoam.  I, however, had a problem with the idle pulley and the AC clutch during the trip home.  The belt was removed and it ran beautifully.  As AC compressor replacement was done at the shop (as I did not want to deal with the freon etc.), I scheduled an appointment for the second week in August to have it looked at again, as I feel the AC clutch is not working properly and the idle pulley probably should be replaced. We shall see.

Anyway, I really enjoyed the Pinto Stampede, meeting the people, seeing the cars, and touring the sights, despite the "Monsoon weather" we had!  The show day was the only day it did not rain, but the grassy knoll was rather soggy!  ;-) To my surprise and delight, it won an award for Best of Show!  We also toured the Rousch Factory, Snookie's car museum, Wagner's Auto collection, and the retired Ford Global Division executive, Mike Bernard's personal car collection. Impressive!!! Once I get the opportunity, I will post some pics.

Hope all is well at your end!

Happy Motoring!
Dan
Happy Motoring!
Dan

Wittsend

There are two ways of "attack" with a "mechanic in a can." One is in the fuel to hopefully clean valve stems that might be keeping the valve from closing completely thus increasing a gap and causing a tap (it can burn valves too). The other would be in the oil to to help free up a sticking lifter..., if that is the problem.