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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Wittsend

Kind  of funny how front mounted engines will often get rear mounted batteries, and my rear engine Corvair..., I did a front mount. I too had concerns about wire chaffing and just used far cheaper clear tubing from the hardware store. I already had it and needed only 2' to run down the sharp edged door hinge area. Then it was a trip through the door sill plate trough, under the rear seat and to the starter.


Years ago at a swap meet I bought what I would call an industrial suitcase that seemed to originally house test equipment (I had intended it for video lighting gear). It was all of $3 and there were a number of random things inside that came with it. One of those things was at least 20 feet of #4, yellow silicone wrapped, fine strand wire you see in the picture. That is probably $60 today. It works just fine! There are less costly wires out there but the strand count is lower and the insulating material both combined to make it stiffer.

rob289c

Today I got a better idea on my trunk mounted battery cable routing.  I watched a few videos and discovered that I need to install/incorporate a 150 -200 amp, manual reset circuit breaker.  I never gave it a thought.  I will get one on order.  I also decided that I am not going to run the ground cable from the trunk to the engine.  I am going to connect the ground from the battery to one of the rear bumper mount bolts and another ground cable from the front frame to the engine block.  I have the small ground strap that attaches from the back of the engine to the firewall.  I had been worried about how to route the positive cable to the front.  I was concerned that the the cable might be in the way of the inner quarter.  There is plenty of clearance and I have a pretty good path to the starter relay.  A lot of worrying for nothing.  I have the cable temporarily routed but not secured until I after I get the circuit breaker.  The positive cable will route through on the right side of the car and the other factory rear harness routes down the left side.  In both cases I think I have a clear path but there are no rocker panels so both harness and batt cable turn inboard and will run along the frame.  I also removed the mounting bracket from the old rear bumper, wire wheeled the bracket and attaching hardware, primed and painted.  I am going to mount the rear bumper after the paint dries.  I have some "surgery" to perform on the taillight housings.  The lower portion on both sides are badly corroded.  I disassembled one and cut the corroded portion out.  The other has two screws that I am having trouble removing.  I am going to exercise patience so I don't ruin the housing or lens.  I am going to let the penetrating oil work.  Once that one is apart, I will weld new metal in place, then seal it up, prime, and paint silver.  I think that's all I got done today.  I also had "leaf duty".  Most of the leaves have fallen so any future leaf removal will be smaller in scale.  On the road until Thursday evening so nothing more to report until next weekend.
rob289c

rob289c

I like your idea about reinforcing the bottom of the battery box.  I'm just going to strap it through my custom made brackets and cinch it down.  It won't go anywhere. 

Today I bought all the 3/4" and 1" cushion clamps the hardware store had so tomorrow I will likely secure the battery cables a I route from the trunk, through the cabin, and into the engine compartment.  I wanted to buy 4' if 3/4" heater hose to run the pos cable through for extra protection, but NAPA closed at 2:00, the hardware store had it for almost $4 per foot, and Advance Auto didn't have any.  I figured Advance would be cheaper, but it was more expensive.  Advance has been disappointing of late.  Unless it is a product that I could also get at Walmart, they just don't seem to have what I need when I go there, not to mention, the counter guys are not car guys and don't understand what I am looking for. 

Tomorrow (Sunday) I should make some progress.  I will be on the road next week so after tomorrow, i won't be back on it until next weekend.
rob289c

Wittsend

I agree about the battery box flimsiness. In my Corvair I transferred it to front trunk ("Frunk") and (bad back in consideration) mounted it high since the current price of $150+ batteries causes me to 'share' it with my other old cars. I welded 4 nuts to the body metal and then put a steel plate over top of the bottom of the box and screwed it down. This way the hold down strap goes under the plastic box and the metal plate and make things secure.


Regarding backs: I'm thin and relatively tall thus I have a small muscle structure. I also have an elongated torso so it is asking a lot of little muscle to keep me in balance. I had sciatica for 1.5 years. I was a teacher and used a wheeled elevated stool. The stool back pivoted and I would literally sit backwards on the stool and lean over the tilted back to rest and stretch my back as I used the white board and scurried about the college TV Studio which was split among four rooms when in Production. You do what you have to do to get the job done.




rob289c

I'm sorry to hear of your back troubles.  There's nothing worse than not being able to do normal activities due to pain and/or injury.  Hopefully it will get better soon.  I find that walking on my treadmill helps keep my back loose. 

When I was in my 20's I always wondered why the "old guys" (30's and 40's) were always complaining of back pain.  Now in my 60's I get it!  Actually in 2004 I had a bulged disc and related sciatica.  It did get better but I always have some degree of back discomfort.  Probably arthritis now.  Mine is worst after a day of climbing ladders or under a car all day.

Today I started mounting my trunk mounted battery box.  It came with two flimsy plastic securing clamps and tiny screws.  I decided to make my own out of 1" angle iron and welded them to the trunk floor.  I cleaned up and primed the new brackets.  Tomorrow I'll paint black and finish mounting the box.  I started routing the 1-0 pos and neg battery cables.  I'm concerned that the seat frame may impinge on the cables.  I'll continue with that tomorrow.  I may run the pos cable through a section of 3/4 heater hose to give it additional protection.  Will report more tomorrow.
rob289c

Wittsend

Yea, "Stuff Happens." This year I really started to make progress on my "24 years on jackstands" Sunbeam Tiger. Then I got Covid and a lingering cough. Right after we had a heatwave that made the garage unbearable and as that dissipated I have now hurt my back and can barely hobble around. I've barely gotten anything done in three months and I'm not sure with the back issue when I'll be able to resume.

And what is it with backs? It was mildly sore but I still functioned at 90%. Then one day I was simply sanding, leaning on the car for support and elevated ever so slightly and WHAM! It has been 10 day and not getting better. Chronic problem since my early 20's and always the Very, VERY lower muscles right above the hip. It goes out a few times a year typically erasing 6 weeks of any year to getting work done. :-(

dga57

Quote from: rob289c on October 22, 2024, 06:18:52 PM

Tomorrow is another day and I plan to get more done.  I am going to attempt to get the rear passenger windows operating properly. 

With that attitude, I'm sure you'll get it done!  Hang in there!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday (Wednesday) I made very little progress but the good news is that I got my Mazda back from the transmission shop so I have that back.  So far, so good.  It selects gear positions, shifts and drives as it should.  I did investigate how I am going to run the rear wiring harness, speaker wires, and battery cables from the trunk to the cab and under hood.  Didn't do anything permanent...just trying to brainstorm ideas.  I also set the battery box in place in the trunk to figure out how I am going to secure it.

Today I got both rear quarter windows installed and operating.  Both go up and down.  The right side rollers will come out of the track if it goes down too far.  I am going to have to install a stop to prevent it from going down too far. 

I am going to spend some time tomorrow figuring out the wiring harness and battery installation.  I need to go to NAPA to pick up the fitting I ordered and will use to hold the valves in place when I do the valve stem seal replacement.  The first tool I bought (a hose that is supposed to screw into the spark plug hole would not thread in the 14mm hole.  It also wouldn't accept a 1/4" npt air fitting at the other end as it was supposed to.  I took it back and ordered a fitting that I will use instead.  I've been procrastinating on that job but I'm going to have to just jump in and do it.  I don't want to permanently install the valve cover until the seals are replaced.
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Good to hear you made a lot of progress!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

Thank you for the well wishes and concern.  These are merely speedbumps and will all be overcome. 

Today I was able to finish up my fuel system.  I installed the gas tank, fuel filler neck, and gas cap.  I tightened all the fuel line fittings and connected the rigid fuel lines to the fuel pump and gas tank.  I then test fit the rear wiring harness.  I will be using the Pinto harness.  I was concerned that the Pinto harness would be too narrow to reach the Mustang Taillights but it appears that they will fit just fine.  I am going to have to make a few of modifications: I will have to splice the Mustang backup light wiring into the Pinto harness as the Mustang lights are in the lower valance panel.  I will have to splice the Mustang license plate lamp wiring in to the Pinto harness.  Lastly, I will have to splice the Mustang fuel gauge/float assembly wire into the Pinto harness.  The Mustang uses one wire.  The Pinto uses two and both have different connectors.  I think the 2nd wire on the Pinto harness is for a low fuel warning light? 

Tomorrow is another day and I plan to get more done.  I am going to attempt to get the rear passenger windows operating properly. 
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Glad it sounds like your wife is OK. Hopefully the repair to her car won't take too long and that the dealership can resolve the transmission issue on your Mazda. It's just frustrating to have it all happen at once. Maybe this weekend you can have time for your project!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

Yesterday I didn't get anything done on the project.  Today I got a 12" 1/4" line and fittings and installed it.  I need to do a couple of bends, then I can tighten all the fittings and tie the fuel pump and fuel tank ends in with flexible fuel hose.  I also primed and painted the brake and fuel line hangers and screws.  I will likely secure the lines tomorrow.  I cleaned up the short section of pipe that screws to the taillight panel (Mustang) to the tank and primed/painted the hardware.  I would like to get the entire fuel system buttoned up. 

My wife hit a deer this AM on the way to work so the unplanned drive to her work to look it over and file the claim, then the drive to the body shop killed some of my productive time.  Going to the transmission shop to tell them my tale of whoa on my Mazda, then dropping it off there this PM also killed my productive time.  Hopefully tomorrow will be better and I can get more done.
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Hope you have a productive day and accomplish your goals!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

I have been side tracked by a daily driver issue.  Long story but a transmission problem.  After my local garage replaced the neutral safety switch a year ago, I had an intermittent issue of the "D" disappearing on the dash, then the tranny would downshift from 5th to 4th, to 3rd.  Not a good thing.  It hadn't happened in about 8 months but recently started doing it again.  I took it to the Mazda dealer to have them diagnose and repair.  Inconclusive diagnosis so I had them order and install an OEM Mazda neutral safety switch, or as they call it, a Range Selector Switch.  Now  worse than ever.  it goes forward in all gear positions, including Reverse.  There is a point I can find Reverse in between P and R but I have to hold it there and it won't stay.  They don't know what to do.  The thing is, I drove it to NJ and back (600 miles) this past week and other local driving including to the Mazda shop with no issue.  I need to get this figured out.

I did get a 60" 1/4" brake line to be used as the return fuel line and installed it.  I need to get another short section, then secure both supply and return lines and tie in with flexible hose.  I plan to do more today.
rob289c

dga57

Sounds like a plan!  Hope you have the time to get all those things accomplished!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I'm glad a few of us still "hang out".  I wasn't here for the heyday, but it would have been nice to have been a part of.  Of course, that would make it all the more disappointing to see it lose members.  I think forums such as this were a thing 15 years ago but a lot of users have migrated to other social media.  I'm not a social media kind of guy.  I avoided it until I was forced to get a FB account but I don't want to get sucked into sitting there scrolling like I see others do.

As for my "Pinto Powered", and not complete Pinto project, I take no offense.  I am offending both Mustang and Pinto purists with this thing, but the reality is I saved part of a Mustang and parts from a Pinto that in both cases would have (should have) been in a junkyard and crushed a long time ago!  While dismantling the Pinto, I gave a lot of parts I didn't need away (free) to other Pinto owners, gave what was left of the body to another Pinto owner, and after I am done with my project will give the remaining parts to another Pinto owner that has already claimed dibs. 

Project content: This weekend I will finish my fuel line project and maybe install the trunk mounted battery and run the pos and neg cables up to the engine compartment. I should run speaker wires at the same time so I can button up the interior with the inner quarters.  I got an e-mail that my battery box arrived today.  I may install the dash, dash pad, and instrument cluster too.   
rob289c

caravan3921

I'm still here and enjoying reading the posts and was thinking this site had died and I was feeling quite sad about it.  I kept checking and then voila, it was back up!  I, too, remember 15-20 years ago when I first joined, this site was so active!  I wonder what will eventually happen to this site.  I heard there is an active Facebook Pinto site?  But I'm not on Facebook. The triple digits are finally subsiding here in Phoenix and so we plan to take the Pinto out of storage sometime this week.  It doesn't have AC. It was in June that we put it in storage after a complete engine rebuild.  It's a '78 and in Sept. 2025 we've owned it for 20 years!  Around 33,000 miles. (I periodically look at Pinto sales on eBay and they appear to be mostly wagons.)   

Wittsend

Quote from: rob289c on October 14, 2024, 07:34:54 PM
I was afraid it was gone for good.

Around here there have been numerous "disappearances." I believe one lasted as long as a month. So, if the site can't be found check back periodically because it likely has a few of its nine lives left. I remember when this was a happening place. At least 10 to 15 new posts a day. A month or so ago we had one new post in the whole month. And to my knowledge this is the only specific, dedicated Pinto site out there. Go figure.

I won't mention names but there were two people in particular that seemed to drive people away. And there were three to five lesser players each with their own issues. NONE of them are around today. It seems the gold has run out and there are just a few who linger in this near digital Ghost Town. The most active thread (seems the ONLY active thread) is Pinto powered but not even a Pinto. No offense intended Rob, only making a point. I'm glad you are here. Dwayne isn't the site owner but he sure strives to make sure there is still a light on in case wayward Pinto owners come back home or a stranger wanders into (digital) town.

1972 Wagon

Way back in 1972, my parents ordered two Pintos-  a yellow sedan for my older brother and the green wagon for my mother. When I started commuting to college, I got to use the wagon. We use to joke that my dad loved the wagon so much that he would sell us before the car!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

I was afraid it was gone for good.  I'm glad it's back.  I should be able to make more progress coming this weekend. 

1972 Wagon:  I see you've had your Pinto for a long time.  It's great you have kept it so long!  I drove Pintos between Sep 1983 - Jan 1989.  Two wagons and a hatchback.  They were reliable and easy to maintain and repair.  They got me through 4 hears of Navy and the first three years of college.  I drove them until they wouldn't.  This current project is only half Pinto but it keeps one that would have been junked alive.
rob289c

dga57

Quote from: 1972 Wagon on October 14, 2024, 09:59:34 AM
So glad the site is working again as I have missed reading about your project! Glad you were able to make some progress.

Me too!  Scott told me he was going to take the site down for some much-needed maintenance, but didn't specify exactly when that was going to happen.  I guess we all got caught off guard! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

1972 Wagon

So glad the site is working again as I have missed reading about your project! Glad you were able to make some progress.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

I will back up to the dash repair as it looks like my Friday post isn't going to be published...for the major cracks over the instrument cluster, I used a razor knife to cut out the affected areas at an angle.  I filled the "excavations" in with aluminum foil.  Then regular Bondo, then I skimmed the entire dash pad with a lightweight filler (Porpoise Putty) and sanded smooth: 80 > 180 > 320 grit.  While it isn't perfect, it is much better than what I started with.  After final sanding it got 3 coats of adhesion promotor, then 3 coats of Krylon "Hammer Finish" textured black rattle can paint.  The textured finish masks some of the imperfections. Not perfect but good for what I am building. 
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rob289c

It appears the site is working again.  On Friday I fabbed the rear portion of my fuel return line.  I use the pre-bent 5/16 supply line I got from CJ Pony Parts as my pattern and made a copy with 1/4 line.  Today I got the full length of the supply line in place and the rear portion of the return.  I need to get a 60" section of 1/4 and run it up toward the fuel pump then tie in both lines at the tank and fuel pump.  I wire wheeled all the fuel line and brake line hangers so next weekend when it warms up I can prime, paint and install.  I still need to replace the valve stem seals but that's a job I've never done so I'm a bit apprehensive.  I also need to get back to the rear quarter window installation job.  The passenger side needs to be re-done.  I think the regulator arm needs to be bent a little.  I'll figure it out.   
rob289c

rob289c

Yesterday I was able to get on this site for the first time in over a week.  I tried to share recent progress but it didn't post.  THis may not either.  If it does, I will share what I did today...
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1972 Wagon

The dash looks really good! I enjoy following the work on your roadster project. Please keep posting updates!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

Wittsend

Wow, the first post at the PCCA site in NINETEEN Days! The patient has a pulse - barely.

The dash looks great. What did you do to repair the cracks? I scrolled up but didn't see anything. I have tried in the past to do repairs but in the end while the gap filled I had to cover it with vinyl cloth to look half way decent.

rob289c

It's been a while since I've posted...mainly because I have made very little progress!  Too many other tasks, activities, and commitments have gotten in the way.  This past weekend I did do a little.  I painted the dash pad, instrument cluster, and rear package tray with my interior black paint.  That exhausted my supply of leftover EXP Project paint.  I had done come bodywork on the dash pad to fix the cracks.  I used adhesion promotor first, then a hammer texture rattle can to try to hide some of the imperfections.  It came out pretty good.  The instrument cluster and rear package tray got the regular spray gun treatment.  I am taking off the week of 10/7 so I home to make good progress then. 
rob289c

rob289c

I made a little progress over the weekend, although it doesn't seem like I did.  I installed the two, rear quarter glass assemblies.  The job didn't go all that well.  I had cleaned the glass and tracks a few weeks ago, but I still had to clean the regulators.  One of the regulators had a bent arm and I'm not sure if I bent it back to the correct position.  It may still be a little off.  Anyway, I did the passenger side first as that was the demonstration on the You Tube video I watched over and over and started and stopped through the process.  It doesn't seem to go up and down through the full travel.  I think I may have to start over.  I did the driver's side and it seems to go up and down better but there is still some irregularity and doesn't seem "quite right".  I did replace the rollers on both sides so that isn't (shouldn't) be the problem.  It is an awkward job with limited visibility but I think I have the process down pretty well with all the fumbling around I had to do.  Last evening I watched another video that used a different method, but in the end, the result should be the same.  Sometimes when you take a break and try again it goes more smoothly.  I also discovered that 68 window cranks are different from 67.  My regulators are 67 (65-67 are the same), but my window cranks are from a 68 that I got from a junkyard when I got the inner quarter panels.  They don't go on.  I will have to order two for a 65-67.  They are only $15 ea, but the problem seems to be the set screw is crappy.  It is slotted, while the original is allen.  Hopefully I can use the set screw from the 68 handles as long as Ford didn't have a "Better Idea" and change the thread from 67 to 68! 

That was all the time I got on my project (most of Sunday).  On Saturday I weeded a garden that was overgrown and cleaned gutters and downspouts.  I knew both needed to be done but I put it off all Summer as my goal was to get this project in paint.  I still have other "didn't get to it" projects from he Summer that need done before the weather changes.  This time of year work ramps up and my time gets scarce so every minute has to count.  This coming weekend I have other events scheduled that will prevent me from making as much progress as I would like but I do plan to spray some interior parts black as the weather will be conducive.
rob289c

rob289c

You and me both!  It's getting closer. 
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