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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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rob289c

Yesterday (Saturday) I spent the first bit of time with our baby Shelby (fitting name for a Mustang family).  No crying...just laid there while I held her. 

Pinto content:  I didn't spend much time with the car.  I swapped the rear window channels side to side. Now both sides go all the way down.  Much better now that I have the parts in the right places!  I ran the speaker wires on both sides.  I need to get different wire clamps for the left side rear harness.  The cushion clamps I have are too big.  I will buy some smaller diameter plastic clamps and get that side secured.  Then I can reinstall the seat and inner panels. 

Other than that, I spent most of my time transforming my shop into a Winter storage facility.  The bikes and Mustang are put away, as are other items.  I hung the Christmas lights that require the 28' extension ladder and 15' step ladder.  It was 50 deg and dry today so it was the right day to do it.  I'm going to run out of project time so I need to make more project next weekewnd!
rob289c

Wittsend

Well, this seems like the place for baby grand daughters. Our first (and only..., so far) will be 11 months tomorrow. All the best to the new moms/dads (and grand parents).

rob289c

Dwayne, I will be praying for a healthy baby granddaughter for you and an easy delivery for your DIL!  I haven't had a chance to spen time with our new addition as I have been out of town this week.  I'll see her over the weekend. 
rob289c

dga57

Yes!!!  Progress AND a new granddaughter!! ;D !  I know the feeling (well, excluding the progress ::)) because the due date for our first grandchild, also a girl, is Sunday, November 17th.  We're all giddy with excitement! Our son and daughter-in-law will be celebrating their 12th wedding anniversary next month and we had pretty much given up on them ever making us grandparents.  Enjoy!

I think you're making great progress on that roadster and the taillights look amazing.  Keep up the good work and you'll have it on the road before you know it!  Thanks for sharing!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Thank you...she is a beautiful baby girl!
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Congratulations on the new addition to your family!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

I only made a small amount of progress this weekend.  I sprayed the remaining corroded areas of the taillight housings with rust converter, then primer.  Then I spread tiger hair over the repaired area.  I haven't sanded it smooth yet.  Once I do, they will get another treatment of primer, then silver paint.  I ordered and received the taillight assembly gaskets so once the housings are in paint, I can reassemble them.  I bought more cushion clamps and speaker wire so I can get all the rear wiring properly run and secured.  While the interior panels are off I need to swap rear window channels from side to side.  I found a resource that identifies why my rear windows don't go all the way down: the channels are currently on the wrong side.  Hopefully swapping them will correct the full travel issue.  In the near future I need to replace the valve stem seals and install the valve cover, then install the front grill assembly, front bumper, and headlights.  Then I can reinstall the engine compartment wiring harness, and install the dash and dash pad.  That will allow me to connect all the wiring harnesses.  If I can get that done I will feel like I made good progress, although I didn't get to hear it run or drive it. 

My excuse for not doing more is that our first grandchild was born yesterday.  Our daughter was induced and has been at the hospital since Thursday AM.  I had to take my wife there and back several times and I wasn't able to get too deep into any of my projects. 

I will be travelling for work again this week but should be back at it next weekend. 

Happy Veterans Day to all those that served.  Thank you for serving...
rob289c

rob289c

Battery is mounted in the trunk.  I made the following cables: battery ground to rear bumper mount, frame to engine ground, positive battery to trunk-mounted circuit breaker, Circuit breaker to starter relay location.  I haven't crimped the lug at the relay end yet as I want to secure the cable and mount the relay first so I make it the correct length.  Another day's project.  I also need to make the relay to starter cable. 

I wanted to do more but taking down Halloween decorations, leaf duty, mowing , and other household chores took precedence.   More to come next week...
rob289c

rob289c

Progress today:  Mounted the rear bumper.  One of the mounting bolts is going to be the battery to frame ground point.  I also washed the taillight lenses while doing the breakfast dishes.  Dawn detergent did a nice job of removing 57 years of grime. 
rob289c

rob289c

Some progress made today.  I spent roughly 3 hours repairing the bottoms of my taillight housings.  Both were badly corroded, one much worse than the other.  I cut out the cancer then fabricated patches and welded in place.  The really bad one had very little good metal to weld to but in the end both are pretty sturdy.  I will prime, use some tiger hair to seal and smooth things up, then more primer and paint.  I need to order taillight lens gaskets, and clean  up the rubber that is encrusted with corrosion from the original corroded taillight panel.  Once everything is in place, none of it will be visible and will be functional.  I am saving about $200 by repairing and re-using the old parts.  I have a set of new taillight bezels that I will put in my Fastback and use the ones currently in the Fastback in this project.  They are pitted, but in much better shape than the ones that came with the project Mustang.

Tomorrow I will do more and report.

Other projects today:  attempted repair, then replaced an entry door knob set.  They don't last long.  I also disassembled and PM'd my dehumidifier.  The drain had plugged and wasn't draining.   I cleaned the evap coil and drain pan.  All good now,
rob289c

rob289c

I think my cable path is clear and safe enough that I won't have to sleeve it.  Where it will be visible I will encase in that black corrugated stuff to help it blend in and offer some protection.  I'm in my hotel wishing I was home working on my project.  The week will go by fast and I'll get more done.
rob289c

Wittsend

Kind  of funny how front mounted engines will often get rear mounted batteries, and my rear engine Corvair..., I did a front mount. I too had concerns about wire chaffing and just used far cheaper clear tubing from the hardware store. I already had it and needed only 2' to run down the sharp edged door hinge area. Then it was a trip through the door sill plate trough, under the rear seat and to the starter.


Years ago at a swap meet I bought what I would call an industrial suitcase that seemed to originally house test equipment (I had intended it for video lighting gear). It was all of $3 and there were a number of random things inside that came with it. One of those things was at least 20 feet of #4, yellow silicone wrapped, fine strand wire you see in the picture. That is probably $60 today. It works just fine! There are less costly wires out there but the strand count is lower and the insulating material both combined to make it stiffer.

rob289c

Today I got a better idea on my trunk mounted battery cable routing.  I watched a few videos and discovered that I need to install/incorporate a 150 -200 amp, manual reset circuit breaker.  I never gave it a thought.  I will get one on order.  I also decided that I am not going to run the ground cable from the trunk to the engine.  I am going to connect the ground from the battery to one of the rear bumper mount bolts and another ground cable from the front frame to the engine block.  I have the small ground strap that attaches from the back of the engine to the firewall.  I had been worried about how to route the positive cable to the front.  I was concerned that the the cable might be in the way of the inner quarter.  There is plenty of clearance and I have a pretty good path to the starter relay.  A lot of worrying for nothing.  I have the cable temporarily routed but not secured until I after I get the circuit breaker.  The positive cable will route through on the right side of the car and the other factory rear harness routes down the left side.  In both cases I think I have a clear path but there are no rocker panels so both harness and batt cable turn inboard and will run along the frame.  I also removed the mounting bracket from the old rear bumper, wire wheeled the bracket and attaching hardware, primed and painted.  I am going to mount the rear bumper after the paint dries.  I have some "surgery" to perform on the taillight housings.  The lower portion on both sides are badly corroded.  I disassembled one and cut the corroded portion out.  The other has two screws that I am having trouble removing.  I am going to exercise patience so I don't ruin the housing or lens.  I am going to let the penetrating oil work.  Once that one is apart, I will weld new metal in place, then seal it up, prime, and paint silver.  I think that's all I got done today.  I also had "leaf duty".  Most of the leaves have fallen so any future leaf removal will be smaller in scale.  On the road until Thursday evening so nothing more to report until next weekend.
rob289c

rob289c

I like your idea about reinforcing the bottom of the battery box.  I'm just going to strap it through my custom made brackets and cinch it down.  It won't go anywhere. 

Today I bought all the 3/4" and 1" cushion clamps the hardware store had so tomorrow I will likely secure the battery cables a I route from the trunk, through the cabin, and into the engine compartment.  I wanted to buy 4' if 3/4" heater hose to run the pos cable through for extra protection, but NAPA closed at 2:00, the hardware store had it for almost $4 per foot, and Advance Auto didn't have any.  I figured Advance would be cheaper, but it was more expensive.  Advance has been disappointing of late.  Unless it is a product that I could also get at Walmart, they just don't seem to have what I need when I go there, not to mention, the counter guys are not car guys and don't understand what I am looking for. 

Tomorrow (Sunday) I should make some progress.  I will be on the road next week so after tomorrow, i won't be back on it until next weekend.
rob289c

Wittsend

I agree about the battery box flimsiness. In my Corvair I transferred it to front trunk ("Frunk") and (bad back in consideration) mounted it high since the current price of $150+ batteries causes me to 'share' it with my other old cars. I welded 4 nuts to the body metal and then put a steel plate over top of the bottom of the box and screwed it down. This way the hold down strap goes under the plastic box and the metal plate and make things secure.


Regarding backs: I'm thin and relatively tall thus I have a small muscle structure. I also have an elongated torso so it is asking a lot of little muscle to keep me in balance. I had sciatica for 1.5 years. I was a teacher and used a wheeled elevated stool. The stool back pivoted and I would literally sit backwards on the stool and lean over the tilted back to rest and stretch my back as I used the white board and scurried about the college TV Studio which was split among four rooms when in Production. You do what you have to do to get the job done.




rob289c

I'm sorry to hear of your back troubles.  There's nothing worse than not being able to do normal activities due to pain and/or injury.  Hopefully it will get better soon.  I find that walking on my treadmill helps keep my back loose. 

When I was in my 20's I always wondered why the "old guys" (30's and 40's) were always complaining of back pain.  Now in my 60's I get it!  Actually in 2004 I had a bulged disc and related sciatica.  It did get better but I always have some degree of back discomfort.  Probably arthritis now.  Mine is worst after a day of climbing ladders or under a car all day.

Today I started mounting my trunk mounted battery box.  It came with two flimsy plastic securing clamps and tiny screws.  I decided to make my own out of 1" angle iron and welded them to the trunk floor.  I cleaned up and primed the new brackets.  Tomorrow I'll paint black and finish mounting the box.  I started routing the 1-0 pos and neg battery cables.  I'm concerned that the seat frame may impinge on the cables.  I'll continue with that tomorrow.  I may run the pos cable through a section of 3/4 heater hose to give it additional protection.  Will report more tomorrow.
rob289c

Wittsend

Yea, "Stuff Happens." This year I really started to make progress on my "24 years on jackstands" Sunbeam Tiger. Then I got Covid and a lingering cough. Right after we had a heatwave that made the garage unbearable and as that dissipated I have now hurt my back and can barely hobble around. I've barely gotten anything done in three months and I'm not sure with the back issue when I'll be able to resume.

And what is it with backs? It was mildly sore but I still functioned at 90%. Then one day I was simply sanding, leaning on the car for support and elevated ever so slightly and WHAM! It has been 10 day and not getting better. Chronic problem since my early 20's and always the Very, VERY lower muscles right above the hip. It goes out a few times a year typically erasing 6 weeks of any year to getting work done. :-(

dga57

Quote from: rob289c on October 22, 2024, 06:18:52 PM

Tomorrow is another day and I plan to get more done.  I am going to attempt to get the rear passenger windows operating properly. 

With that attitude, I'm sure you'll get it done!  Hang in there!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday (Wednesday) I made very little progress but the good news is that I got my Mazda back from the transmission shop so I have that back.  So far, so good.  It selects gear positions, shifts and drives as it should.  I did investigate how I am going to run the rear wiring harness, speaker wires, and battery cables from the trunk to the cab and under hood.  Didn't do anything permanent...just trying to brainstorm ideas.  I also set the battery box in place in the trunk to figure out how I am going to secure it.

Today I got both rear quarter windows installed and operating.  Both go up and down.  The right side rollers will come out of the track if it goes down too far.  I am going to have to install a stop to prevent it from going down too far. 

I am going to spend some time tomorrow figuring out the wiring harness and battery installation.  I need to go to NAPA to pick up the fitting I ordered and will use to hold the valves in place when I do the valve stem seal replacement.  The first tool I bought (a hose that is supposed to screw into the spark plug hole would not thread in the 14mm hole.  It also wouldn't accept a 1/4" npt air fitting at the other end as it was supposed to.  I took it back and ordered a fitting that I will use instead.  I've been procrastinating on that job but I'm going to have to just jump in and do it.  I don't want to permanently install the valve cover until the seals are replaced.
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Good to hear you made a lot of progress!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

Thank you for the well wishes and concern.  These are merely speedbumps and will all be overcome. 

Today I was able to finish up my fuel system.  I installed the gas tank, fuel filler neck, and gas cap.  I tightened all the fuel line fittings and connected the rigid fuel lines to the fuel pump and gas tank.  I then test fit the rear wiring harness.  I will be using the Pinto harness.  I was concerned that the Pinto harness would be too narrow to reach the Mustang Taillights but it appears that they will fit just fine.  I am going to have to make a few of modifications: I will have to splice the Mustang backup light wiring into the Pinto harness as the Mustang lights are in the lower valance panel.  I will have to splice the Mustang license plate lamp wiring in to the Pinto harness.  Lastly, I will have to splice the Mustang fuel gauge/float assembly wire into the Pinto harness.  The Mustang uses one wire.  The Pinto uses two and both have different connectors.  I think the 2nd wire on the Pinto harness is for a low fuel warning light? 

Tomorrow is another day and I plan to get more done.  I am going to attempt to get the rear passenger windows operating properly. 
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Glad it sounds like your wife is OK. Hopefully the repair to her car won't take too long and that the dealership can resolve the transmission issue on your Mazda. It's just frustrating to have it all happen at once. Maybe this weekend you can have time for your project!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

Yesterday I didn't get anything done on the project.  Today I got a 12" 1/4" line and fittings and installed it.  I need to do a couple of bends, then I can tighten all the fittings and tie the fuel pump and fuel tank ends in with flexible fuel hose.  I also primed and painted the brake and fuel line hangers and screws.  I will likely secure the lines tomorrow.  I cleaned up the short section of pipe that screws to the taillight panel (Mustang) to the tank and primed/painted the hardware.  I would like to get the entire fuel system buttoned up. 

My wife hit a deer this AM on the way to work so the unplanned drive to her work to look it over and file the claim, then the drive to the body shop killed some of my productive time.  Going to the transmission shop to tell them my tale of whoa on my Mazda, then dropping it off there this PM also killed my productive time.  Hopefully tomorrow will be better and I can get more done.
rob289c

1972 Wagon

Hope you have a productive day and accomplish your goals!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

rob289c

I have been side tracked by a daily driver issue.  Long story but a transmission problem.  After my local garage replaced the neutral safety switch a year ago, I had an intermittent issue of the "D" disappearing on the dash, then the tranny would downshift from 5th to 4th, to 3rd.  Not a good thing.  It hadn't happened in about 8 months but recently started doing it again.  I took it to the Mazda dealer to have them diagnose and repair.  Inconclusive diagnosis so I had them order and install an OEM Mazda neutral safety switch, or as they call it, a Range Selector Switch.  Now  worse than ever.  it goes forward in all gear positions, including Reverse.  There is a point I can find Reverse in between P and R but I have to hold it there and it won't stay.  They don't know what to do.  The thing is, I drove it to NJ and back (600 miles) this past week and other local driving including to the Mazda shop with no issue.  I need to get this figured out.

I did get a 60" 1/4" brake line to be used as the return fuel line and installed it.  I need to get another short section, then secure both supply and return lines and tie in with flexible hose.  I plan to do more today.
rob289c

dga57

Sounds like a plan!  Hope you have the time to get all those things accomplished!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I'm glad a few of us still "hang out".  I wasn't here for the heyday, but it would have been nice to have been a part of.  Of course, that would make it all the more disappointing to see it lose members.  I think forums such as this were a thing 15 years ago but a lot of users have migrated to other social media.  I'm not a social media kind of guy.  I avoided it until I was forced to get a FB account but I don't want to get sucked into sitting there scrolling like I see others do.

As for my "Pinto Powered", and not complete Pinto project, I take no offense.  I am offending both Mustang and Pinto purists with this thing, but the reality is I saved part of a Mustang and parts from a Pinto that in both cases would have (should have) been in a junkyard and crushed a long time ago!  While dismantling the Pinto, I gave a lot of parts I didn't need away (free) to other Pinto owners, gave what was left of the body to another Pinto owner, and after I am done with my project will give the remaining parts to another Pinto owner that has already claimed dibs. 

Project content: This weekend I will finish my fuel line project and maybe install the trunk mounted battery and run the pos and neg cables up to the engine compartment. I should run speaker wires at the same time so I can button up the interior with the inner quarters.  I got an e-mail that my battery box arrived today.  I may install the dash, dash pad, and instrument cluster too.   
rob289c

caravan3921

I'm still here and enjoying reading the posts and was thinking this site had died and I was feeling quite sad about it.  I kept checking and then voila, it was back up!  I, too, remember 15-20 years ago when I first joined, this site was so active!  I wonder what will eventually happen to this site.  I heard there is an active Facebook Pinto site?  But I'm not on Facebook. The triple digits are finally subsiding here in Phoenix and so we plan to take the Pinto out of storage sometime this week.  It doesn't have AC. It was in June that we put it in storage after a complete engine rebuild.  It's a '78 and in Sept. 2025 we've owned it for 20 years!  Around 33,000 miles. (I periodically look at Pinto sales on eBay and they appear to be mostly wagons.)   

Wittsend

Quote from: rob289c on October 14, 2024, 07:34:54 PM
I was afraid it was gone for good.

Around here there have been numerous "disappearances." I believe one lasted as long as a month. So, if the site can't be found check back periodically because it likely has a few of its nine lives left. I remember when this was a happening place. At least 10 to 15 new posts a day. A month or so ago we had one new post in the whole month. And to my knowledge this is the only specific, dedicated Pinto site out there. Go figure.

I won't mention names but there were two people in particular that seemed to drive people away. And there were three to five lesser players each with their own issues. NONE of them are around today. It seems the gold has run out and there are just a few who linger in this near digital Ghost Town. The most active thread (seems the ONLY active thread) is Pinto powered but not even a Pinto. No offense intended Rob, only making a point. I'm glad you are here. Dwayne isn't the site owner but he sure strives to make sure there is still a light on in case wayward Pinto owners come back home or a stranger wanders into (digital) town.

1972 Wagon

Way back in 1972, my parents ordered two Pintos-  a yellow sedan for my older brother and the green wagon for my mother. When I started commuting to college, I got to use the wagon. We use to joke that my dad loved the wagon so much that he would sell us before the car!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976