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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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While degreasing the intake, I noticed the coolant port felt slimy so I took it to the kitchen sink and ran hot water into the port.  dirty water and small bits of debris were coming out.  I continued to fill and shake the intake and more and more debris loosened and came out.  Eventually water started coming out of the small hose barb and more and more debris started pouring out.  I kept it up for at least 10 minutes until clean water and very little debris came out.  I noticed a little more external grime so after taking it out to further clean it I decided to run hot water through it again.  Glad I did...large chunks had loosened came out.  Classic sign of a poorly maintained cooling system.  There is probably similar debris in the block's water jacket.  Once it is time to run the engine again, I will run some coolant system flush through it.  I am a little leery of doing that as I know some of the dislodged debris will re-lodge itself in small spaces and maybe do more harm than good.  What do you guys think?  I asked in a previous post what it is and what purpose does the thing in the picture serve?  I am pretty sure that's where the debris was hiding before flushing the intake.  What was not cooling when the small hose port was plugged?  There is a 2-hose vacuum port on the opposite side from the water barb.  Just trying to understand what all the vacuum -operated components do so I can decide what to keep and what I can eliminate.
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Over the weekend I got the timing assy put together and continued cleaning/degreasing/painting parts.  I had to quit a bit early on Sunday as I had a 5-hour drive ahead of me.  Had to mow the lawn/zoop up leaves, and other chores so I could be away for a week.  Pics below of my progress.  The valve cover got a quick spray of black paint (it was blue), then I sanded the ribs to bare aluminum.  I like the look.  It will be powder coated as a permanent coating.  I had to trim and massage the baffle under the oil filler cap in order for the gasket surfaces to mate.  It is only on temporarily so I can see how it will look.  I cut the timing belt cover down so I can see the cam pully go around when running.  I degreased and painted the intake with aluminum engine paint.  I have more to do but it will have to wait until next weekend...
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dga57

The story of your house sounds like mine, with the exception of the deep lot.  It's on the outer edge of a circle, was four years old when we bought it, but had been totally trashed by the original owner.  We bought it for roughly half its appraised value at the time but there was a lot of work to do.  Fortunately, it was mostly cosmetic and within my scope.  I spent the first couple years whipping it into shape, and I have to say it has served us well.  We will have lived here 25 years this coming December, and the house has undergone several renovations to meet our needs.  My problem is that it's a large house on a small lot... no room for a garage at all.  Oh well!  I would have moved on years ago, but my wife was one of those kids that was uprooted and moved due to her parents' work for her entire life.  She attended over a dozen different schools and never felt she got to put down any roots or form any lasting friendships.  When we bought this house, she said she was never going to move again!  So far, she has stuck to her guns on that attitude whenever I've mentioned the possibility, but I still hold out hope that we can move someday.  I could do with a little less house and a nice garage; for me, that would be Heaven.

Dwayne :)   
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Thank you.  I made more progress yesterday.  More cleaning, degreasing, priming, painting of parts.  I replaced the crank, cam, and aux shaft seats.  Started reassembly.  Will do more parts prime & paint today.  I will do more assembly today.  I will have to cut my day short...I have a 5+ hour drive this afternoon as I will be working out of state this coming week.  I will post more pics of my progress later.

My garage: it started off life as a 22.5' wide x 22' deep attached garage.  When we moved here in 2003 I really wanted to live a little more in the sticks and have a 40x60 pole barn.  I cam across this house in a small rural development.  It is on a circle with about 40 homes and I am on the outer ring on a dep lot that backs up to a nice hedgerow.  The house was 4.5 years old and almost in foreclosure.  The former owner was a single mom that pretty much trashed it so with some cleaning, painting, and flooring we got a a pretty nice newer home at a bargain price.  The deep lot gave me the idea that I coule add on to the garage to create my own "pole barn".  So now I have a 22.5' wide by 66' deep garage.  The whole setup is pretty nice.  Over the years I've made the place the way I want it.  In the Wintert serves as a garage to house 6 cars, 2 motorcycles, shop equipment and tools and other stuff.  In the Spring, Summer, Fall it is a shop, and it also serves as a "party hall".  Now I will complain...22.2' isn't wide enough.  Of course the whole thing should be at least double in size!
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rob289c

Thank you...I will do more this weekend.
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dga57

It is, indeed, looking good!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Today I removed timing belt, aux shaft sprocket, Crank sprocket (both were a PITA!), removed timing belt housing, oil pan, valve cover, and other pieces/parts.  I cleaned and degreased the removed parts and hardware.  Primed and painted block, oil pan, new water pump, t-stat housing, timing belt housing, timing belt cover.  I have a couple of pics below.  My phone wouldn't send all the pics so I can't post them all.  I need to remove the cam sprocket so I can replace all three seals.  I will paint the cam sprocket as it will be exposed.  So far it's looking good.  I need to get the rest of the pieces/parts done so I can reassemble and reinstall before month-end.
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Crank pulley off, Intake off, water pump off, t-stat housing off.  Exh manifold bolts loose but haven't taken it off yet.  Need to R&R timing belt and tensioner, but need to clean up and prime and paint the inside of the timing belt area before replacing belt as it will be left exposed.  I will start degreasing the block, head, and oil pan and prepping for primer and paint.  I have a Mid-80's T-bird valve cover so the one on it won't be used.  Progress...
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Today I started removing components from the engine.  I stared with the alternator and power steering pump and brackets.  No problem with the alternator.  I was able to remove the two top power steering pump bracket bolts, but the lower one broke off.  I won't get into the details, but will divulge that I spent a substantial amount of time, effort and frustration getting the bracket off.  The process included a hammer, angle drill, pry bar, and while I did finally get it off, I cracked the bottom of the bracket by getting overzealous with the hammer.  I removed both motor mounts.  The left side looks like it had been replaced at some point but the right side is defective.  I have two new ones and a new tranny mount so all will be replaced.  I pulled the distributor out.  I removed the radiator hoses and disconnected the heater pipes.  I removed the fuel pump and the guard that is over it.  I removed the fan, fan spacer, and water pump pulley.  I removed the timing belt cover.  My next challenge is getting the crank pulley off.  I got the bolt out with my impact, but when trying to pull it off with a 2-jaw puller, the inner groove started bending.  I will take any advice from the experts on how to get it off without ruining the pulley.   Is heat advisable?  I think it might ruin the crank seal, but I need to get it off so I can replace the timing belt and clean up and paint the pulley.  I plan to replace the seal anyway.  I have sprayed penetrating oil where I could hoping it will loosen things up.   I loosened, but didn't remove the water pump and thermostat housing bolts.  Next weekend I plan to remove the intake and other fuel and emission system components.  I will have to figure out what I need to keep for vacuum hoses.  I want to eliminate as much as possible.  I plan to remove and block off the EGR.  The stock air cleaner won't be used so there are a bunch of hoses I won't need.  I have a header so not cat converter will be used.   There is a pic below of a component that I need help identifying.  It is under the intake/carb and has a HW line that runs to or from one of the heater pipes on top of the engine.  If anyone can identify it, please let me know what it is, what it does, and if it can be eliminated.  Once I get more stuff off the engine I will clean it with lacquer thinner, then prime, paint, reassemble, and put it back in the chassis.

I got some good news on the title.  The person I got the Mustang portion from found the title.  The previous owner signed it over to him but he never registered it in his name.  It is a PA title so he and I will have to go to a Notary in PA to get it in his name, then get it signed over to me.   A bit of a hassle, but it's what I will have to do to get it in my name and registered in NY.  I ordered and received a VIN tag that is stamped with the correct VIN so it will look official. 

I'm in crunch time with a short window of opportunity to hit the goals I set for myself before calling it quits for the season.  I will carry on...
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dga57

Sounds like pretty good progress under the circumstances.  I'll bet your house looks neat all decorated for Halloween.  My daughter-in-law handles all the outdoor decorating at our house.  She hasn't started on Halloween yet, but they're going on a vacation trip next week and she says she'll do it as soon as they return.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

The underside is now black.  It took longer than I expected but it is sealed up really well.  I didn't get a chance to use the rattle can black in difficult to brush areas.  What I brushed on was still wet and/or tacky and I had enough paint on my hands and arms so I figured it would be better to wait than to mess up what I had just brushed on. 

More to come next weekend...
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Today I helped my wife decorate outside for Halloween.  We have a tree that gets hundreds of orange lights and takes over two hours to do, among other lights and decorations.  We had good weather today nd she had an Saturday off so we did it. 

This afternoon I brushed red oxide primer on the underside, including leaf springs, differential, axle housings.  Tomorrow I'll brush black enamel on and use black spray paint on any of the hard to get to spots. I need to take a good look at the engine and put my game plan together for some disassembly, cleaning/degreasing, sanding wire wheeling, priming, painting.  Will do some re-gasketing.  I have taken deliver of mot of my recently ordered parts.  I have a few more that will come this week.  I am looking forward to assembly in the near future.  That's when it gets exciting!
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dga57

Sounds like another busy weekend you have lined up there!  Keep us in the loop!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Tomorrow (Saturday) I will brush paint the underside.  Red Oxide Primer first, then black enamel.  That will seal up the underside and my next thing will be to start detailing the engine, engine accessories, and any other "under hood" parts.  I ordered a bunch of stuff from CJ Pony Parts and Rock Auto that are starting to trickle in so I have what I need to do a lot of the remaining work.  I bought an engine gasket and seal kit so I can re-gasket any external engine parts.  Might as well do it now with the engine on the stand rather than later when it is in the chassis.  I want to get the engine back in the frame before I put it away for the Winter.  I also ordered a VIN Tag with the VIN stamped on it now that I know what the Mustang VIN is.  I'll have to start working on the titling process.  I need to check with the upholstery shop that has my seat frames and covers to see if he's made progress.

There is a car show that I should patronize on Saturday but in order to stay on schedule, I can't sit at a show all day just to be cordial so I may pop in as a spectator only for a few minutes and make a donation to the show organizers.  I have a wedding to go to this afternoon (Friday) so that is kind of getting in my way too.  Anyway, I continue to make progress but there is still a long way to go. 
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dga57

Quote from: rob289c on September 18, 2022, 08:08:43 PM
  Long day, but progress was made! 

:o What an understatement!!!  You made AMAZING progress!  It looks great!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Started shooting Black shortly after 6:30....done and cleaned up at 8:30.  Long day, but progress was made!  I only painted the under side of the decklid black.  The top side will be body color.  I only have so much of the body color and no one will see the trunk area and underside of the deck lid unless the truck is open so I didn't want to waste it.  The body is going to be leftover Medium Gray Metallic from my EXP project. 
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Two more pics after shooting epoxy.  My exhaust fan pulls any airborne particles out.  It's a furnace fan on low speed.  I made a square to round transition and attach an Air FOrce Heater Hose to it to route it out the back door of my garage.  I use blue tarps to segregate the rear 2/3 of the garage from the "paint booth". 
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This AM I did all my prep work:  cleaning the surfaces, wiping down with degreaser, tack cloth, jacked it up, got the gun and paint materials ready.  I didn't start spraying till about 1:30.  Spraying the underside didn't work too well.  I will have to paint it with a brush.  No big deal; there isn't that much of an underside.  I sprayed all exterior surfaces, the trunk area, frame, and cabin with Epoxy.  Came out pretty good.  Since I got a later than desired start and the primer isn't quite cured, I am in a waiting pattern before I can spray black enamel.  It is about 5:00 now so I am hoping that by 6:30 I can do the black, then get everything cleaned and put away so I can put myself away for the night!  Pics of epoxy attached.  Will take pics of black later after spraying...
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I'm sure the congregation appreciates you playing.  My Mom fills in at two churches and sometimes is the house musician at a museum.  She has cut back on her old folks home playing as she is getting to be one of them!

Pinto Content:  Yesterday I did final bodywork and sanding.  There are blemishes that I either couldn't get perfect or stopped trying.  I have been working with distorted metal in the area where I welded the roof on so while it won't be perfect, it was never supposed to be.  It would have been a lot easier if I had gone the Rat Rod route!  I have scuff-sanded the entire body and frame and blown it down.  I have to final sand the quarter panel extensions and the side ornaments.  In a few minutes I am going to wipe it down with a damp sponge to catch any residual dust, then with degreaser.  I need to be spraying epoxy primer by noon at the latest so I can give it at least an hour cure time.  I need to spray black enamel on the underside, cabin interior, trunk area, and frame by early afternoon as we are going to get some rain in the PM. 

I will post pics later...
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dga57

Quote from: rob289c on September 15, 2022, 07:16:25 PM

My Mom is a keyboardist.  She is 85 and starting to slow it down a bit but still plays a few gigs here and there. 

Good for her!  In my first paid church position, I played organ along with an older lady who played piano.  We played together as a team for 13 of the 17 years I was there.  She retired at age 93, which left me as a solo organist for the first time since the old campground days.  My current pianist partner is male and 73 years old.  He played there for about ten years before I signed on, and we have played together for 21 years now.  His wife is the choir director.  I think it's safe to say we all love what we do. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I got home this evening...back to my regular office Friday AM. Our company is giving us the afternoon off so I will rush home and get a few hours of work done on my project.  My son mowed the lawn yesterday without me having to ask so that is one task I won't have to do.  My wife asked me to go to an Oktoberfest tomorrow evening so I need to get any final sanding done, get the surfaces clean, and get the "paint booth" ready.  Maybe I can spray Saturday, but I have to spray by Sunday.  Pics will be posted.

My Mom is a keyboardist.  She is 85 and starting to slow it down a bit but still plays a few gigs here and there. 
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dga57

I don't think I mentioned in my earlier post that I work the overnight shift, generally getting off at 8:00 a.m.  Again, I'm not complaining; I sought that shift many years ago and have always preferred it to working during daylight hours.  I have been with the same employer for 42 years, all but the first nine months of which has been night shift. 


As for the guitar, I learned fairly early in life... took a few lessons around age ten, but quit when I fell in with a group of "elderly" neighborhood guys who played Bluegrass music in their spare time.  Looking back on it, I have to laugh at their senior citizen status in my mind.  The oldest of the bunch was approximately twenty years younger than I am today!  Only one of them is still living now, and he has so much trouble with arthritis that he can no longer play.  At any rate, the things I learned playing with that group were so much more valuable than anything I learned by way of formal lessons.  When I was in 7th grade, my guitar was the sole musical accompaniment for our school's Christmas program!  It was about that time I started applying what I had learned about the guitar to the piano, and later to organ, becoming a self-taught keyboardist.  Between the ages of 12 and 16, I played organ for an outdoor worship service at a local campground every Sunday during the camping season.  Between the ages of 18 and 35 I held a paid position as organist at a local church.  I then took a hiatus for a number of years, moved my membership to another church and ultimately, was offered (and accepted) the organist position there 21 years ago.  Still playing after all these years, and surely will so long as I'm able.  Music, regardless of the genre, is as vital to my well-being as eating or sleeping.  Like you, I think going "full speed ahead" is what actually keeps me going! 


I'm anxious to see what progress you make on your roadster this weekend.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yep, lots of similarities to my life...I typically get to work around 0600 and leave roughly 12 hour later, M-F during Spring Summer, Fall and 0600-about 1500 on Saturdays in the Winter.  26 minute commute each day.  Due to my being an "elder statesman", my travel is occasional, but is to train new managers as they get hired.  I really end up working 7 days a week, but not all day on Saturdays and Sundays outside of the heating season.  On one hand it can be tiring, but on the other, 100 MPH all the time keeps me going.  I have other responsibilities in my VFW and car club, and do all the "man work" and some of the "woman work" (no disrespect meant) around the house.  Like you, not bragging or complaining...it's just the way it is!   :) I'll get home Thursday night, and Friday after work I plan to get right back on the project so I can do as much as possible over the weekend.  I'm envious of your musical abilities...I took guitar lessons as a kid but never stuck with it.  I am good at playing the stereo.   ;D
rob289c

dga57

Quote from: rob289c on September 12, 2022, 07:29:56 PM
Yesterday (Sunday) I didn't do any final body prep.  It was raining so I couldn't do it outside and I didn't want to make any more dust in the shop so I did some organizing, swept, then blew out dust with leaf blower, then power washed the floor in the area I will paint in.  I did some seam sealing but need more sealer to finish.  I am out of town all week so I will have to reconvene this weekend when I get home.  I asked my wife not to plan any activities for me so I can at least finish body work and prep for primer on Saturday, then spray primer on Sunday.  I have a lot to do it a short amount of time and weather is going to work against me in the upcoming weeks...

It sounds like you made good use of your time despite the weather!  Getting all that dust out of the garage before you start spraying primer and paint is a definite must!  Your schedule sounds a bit like mine except, fortunately, I do not have to travel out of town for my work.  In fact, my place of employment is only four miles from my house so I can't say that I lose much time to my commute.  lol  My problem is that I play guitar in two bands, each of which practice weekly, and of course schedule events as they come along.  That's in addition to being organist at my church, full-time caregiver to my invalid wife, and chief moderator on this forum. That's not to even mention that I also do the shopping, bill paying, laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. because my wife cannot.  I work full-time, but my 80 hours per two-week pay period is condensed into seven days: three one week and four the next rather than the more normal eight-hour shifts, five days per week.  I generally get about 5 - 6 hours sleep per day.  As much as I used to enjoy projects, whether they be around the house or restoring an old car, I simply can't do it anymore.  There are just not enough hours in the day!  I am not complaining... not at all... I am simply saying I can understand the obstacles you encounter when working on a big project!  For that reason, I find your progress even more amazing!  Have a safe work week!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday (Sunday) I didn't do any final body prep.  It was raining so I couldn't do it outside and I didn't want to make any more dust in the shop so I did some organizing, swept, then blew out dust with leaf blower, then power washed the floor in the area I will paint in.  I did some seam sealing but need more sealer to finish.  I am out of town all week so I will have to reconvene this weekend when I get home.  I asked my wife not to plan any activities for me so I can at least finish body work and prep for primer on Saturday, then spray primer on Sunday.  I have a lot to do it a short amount of time and weather is going to work against me in the upcoming weeks...
rob289c

rob289c

100 is quite a milestone...hats off to your family members that got there and beyond!  Some of my relatives have had long lives...90's and a grandfather that was 101.  If I make it that long, I hope I am healthy physically and mentally!

Pinto Content:  I did a little sanding one evening this past week.  No progress yesterday...I had VFW Officer Training from 0800-1300, then to a music festival to benefit ALS research and cure.  I will be out in the garage today doing some final sanding and seam sealing, then organizing and cleaning the shop in preparation for primer/paint next weekend.  I will have to cut my garage time short today as I have a 5+ hour drive this afternoon for another work week out of town.  I got up at 0330 this AM to get a head start on all things that need to be done before I hit the road. 

I made progress on my titling progress.  While I wasn't able to get the title from the Commonwealth of PA as they only keep records for 10 years, they did send me a Vehicle Abstract for the Mustang that includes the last title holder's name and address and more importantly the VIN.  That in itself will help me title the car registered.  I'll buy a reproduction VIN Tag on line so it will be official!

More to come next weekend...

Rob

rob289c

1972 Wagon

My mother just turned 95. We have a friend who just celebrated his 101st BD and is still mentally sharp. Another friend's motber-in-law died in July, two months short of her 110th BD. She was one of our counties first covid cases. Other than a mild fever, she was never sick. The only reason she was even diagnosed was because the nursing homes started checking for symptoms.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

dga57

Quote from: caravan3921 on September 05, 2022, 02:00:11 PM
It's getting to be quite common for people to live to 100 and beyond.
When I was growing up, it was RARE for someone to get to 100 yrs.
My last remaining aunt is now 105!!

No one in my family has made it that far yet, but my paternal grandmother made it to 95.  The aforementioned twins are two of her seven offspring.  I do, however, know a lady in my church congregation who is 102 and still in good health.  She will turn 103 in February assuming all goes well! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

caravan3921

It's getting to be quite common for people to live to 100 and beyond.
When I was growing up, it was RARE for someone to get to 100 yrs.
My last remaining aunt is now 105!!