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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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rob289c

I'm sure the congregation appreciates you playing.  My Mom fills in at two churches and sometimes is the house musician at a museum.  She has cut back on her old folks home playing as she is getting to be one of them!

Pinto Content:  Yesterday I did final bodywork and sanding.  There are blemishes that I either couldn't get perfect or stopped trying.  I have been working with distorted metal in the area where I welded the roof on so while it won't be perfect, it was never supposed to be.  It would have been a lot easier if I had gone the Rat Rod route!  I have scuff-sanded the entire body and frame and blown it down.  I have to final sand the quarter panel extensions and the side ornaments.  In a few minutes I am going to wipe it down with a damp sponge to catch any residual dust, then with degreaser.  I need to be spraying epoxy primer by noon at the latest so I can give it at least an hour cure time.  I need to spray black enamel on the underside, cabin interior, trunk area, and frame by early afternoon as we are going to get some rain in the PM. 

I will post pics later...
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dga57

Quote from: rob289c on September 15, 2022, 07:16:25 PM

My Mom is a keyboardist.  She is 85 and starting to slow it down a bit but still plays a few gigs here and there. 

Good for her!  In my first paid church position, I played organ along with an older lady who played piano.  We played together as a team for 13 of the 17 years I was there.  She retired at age 93, which left me as a solo organist for the first time since the old campground days.  My current pianist partner is male and 73 years old.  He played there for about ten years before I signed on, and we have played together for 21 years now.  His wife is the choir director.  I think it's safe to say we all love what we do. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I got home this evening...back to my regular office Friday AM. Our company is giving us the afternoon off so I will rush home and get a few hours of work done on my project.  My son mowed the lawn yesterday without me having to ask so that is one task I won't have to do.  My wife asked me to go to an Oktoberfest tomorrow evening so I need to get any final sanding done, get the surfaces clean, and get the "paint booth" ready.  Maybe I can spray Saturday, but I have to spray by Sunday.  Pics will be posted.

My Mom is a keyboardist.  She is 85 and starting to slow it down a bit but still plays a few gigs here and there. 
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dga57

I don't think I mentioned in my earlier post that I work the overnight shift, generally getting off at 8:00 a.m.  Again, I'm not complaining; I sought that shift many years ago and have always preferred it to working during daylight hours.  I have been with the same employer for 42 years, all but the first nine months of which has been night shift. 


As for the guitar, I learned fairly early in life... took a few lessons around age ten, but quit when I fell in with a group of "elderly" neighborhood guys who played Bluegrass music in their spare time.  Looking back on it, I have to laugh at their senior citizen status in my mind.  The oldest of the bunch was approximately twenty years younger than I am today!  Only one of them is still living now, and he has so much trouble with arthritis that he can no longer play.  At any rate, the things I learned playing with that group were so much more valuable than anything I learned by way of formal lessons.  When I was in 7th grade, my guitar was the sole musical accompaniment for our school's Christmas program!  It was about that time I started applying what I had learned about the guitar to the piano, and later to organ, becoming a self-taught keyboardist.  Between the ages of 12 and 16, I played organ for an outdoor worship service at a local campground every Sunday during the camping season.  Between the ages of 18 and 35 I held a paid position as organist at a local church.  I then took a hiatus for a number of years, moved my membership to another church and ultimately, was offered (and accepted) the organist position there 21 years ago.  Still playing after all these years, and surely will so long as I'm able.  Music, regardless of the genre, is as vital to my well-being as eating or sleeping.  Like you, I think going "full speed ahead" is what actually keeps me going! 


I'm anxious to see what progress you make on your roadster this weekend.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yep, lots of similarities to my life...I typically get to work around 0600 and leave roughly 12 hour later, M-F during Spring Summer, Fall and 0600-about 1500 on Saturdays in the Winter.  26 minute commute each day.  Due to my being an "elder statesman", my travel is occasional, but is to train new managers as they get hired.  I really end up working 7 days a week, but not all day on Saturdays and Sundays outside of the heating season.  On one hand it can be tiring, but on the other, 100 MPH all the time keeps me going.  I have other responsibilities in my VFW and car club, and do all the "man work" and some of the "woman work" (no disrespect meant) around the house.  Like you, not bragging or complaining...it's just the way it is!   :) I'll get home Thursday night, and Friday after work I plan to get right back on the project so I can do as much as possible over the weekend.  I'm envious of your musical abilities...I took guitar lessons as a kid but never stuck with it.  I am good at playing the stereo.   ;D
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dga57

Quote from: rob289c on September 12, 2022, 07:29:56 PM
Yesterday (Sunday) I didn't do any final body prep.  It was raining so I couldn't do it outside and I didn't want to make any more dust in the shop so I did some organizing, swept, then blew out dust with leaf blower, then power washed the floor in the area I will paint in.  I did some seam sealing but need more sealer to finish.  I am out of town all week so I will have to reconvene this weekend when I get home.  I asked my wife not to plan any activities for me so I can at least finish body work and prep for primer on Saturday, then spray primer on Sunday.  I have a lot to do it a short amount of time and weather is going to work against me in the upcoming weeks...

It sounds like you made good use of your time despite the weather!  Getting all that dust out of the garage before you start spraying primer and paint is a definite must!  Your schedule sounds a bit like mine except, fortunately, I do not have to travel out of town for my work.  In fact, my place of employment is only four miles from my house so I can't say that I lose much time to my commute.  lol  My problem is that I play guitar in two bands, each of which practice weekly, and of course schedule events as they come along.  That's in addition to being organist at my church, full-time caregiver to my invalid wife, and chief moderator on this forum. That's not to even mention that I also do the shopping, bill paying, laundry, cooking, cleaning, etc. because my wife cannot.  I work full-time, but my 80 hours per two-week pay period is condensed into seven days: three one week and four the next rather than the more normal eight-hour shifts, five days per week.  I generally get about 5 - 6 hours sleep per day.  As much as I used to enjoy projects, whether they be around the house or restoring an old car, I simply can't do it anymore.  There are just not enough hours in the day!  I am not complaining... not at all... I am simply saying I can understand the obstacles you encounter when working on a big project!  For that reason, I find your progress even more amazing!  Have a safe work week!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday (Sunday) I didn't do any final body prep.  It was raining so I couldn't do it outside and I didn't want to make any more dust in the shop so I did some organizing, swept, then blew out dust with leaf blower, then power washed the floor in the area I will paint in.  I did some seam sealing but need more sealer to finish.  I am out of town all week so I will have to reconvene this weekend when I get home.  I asked my wife not to plan any activities for me so I can at least finish body work and prep for primer on Saturday, then spray primer on Sunday.  I have a lot to do it a short amount of time and weather is going to work against me in the upcoming weeks...
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rob289c

100 is quite a milestone...hats off to your family members that got there and beyond!  Some of my relatives have had long lives...90's and a grandfather that was 101.  If I make it that long, I hope I am healthy physically and mentally!

Pinto Content:  I did a little sanding one evening this past week.  No progress yesterday...I had VFW Officer Training from 0800-1300, then to a music festival to benefit ALS research and cure.  I will be out in the garage today doing some final sanding and seam sealing, then organizing and cleaning the shop in preparation for primer/paint next weekend.  I will have to cut my garage time short today as I have a 5+ hour drive this afternoon for another work week out of town.  I got up at 0330 this AM to get a head start on all things that need to be done before I hit the road. 

I made progress on my titling progress.  While I wasn't able to get the title from the Commonwealth of PA as they only keep records for 10 years, they did send me a Vehicle Abstract for the Mustang that includes the last title holder's name and address and more importantly the VIN.  That in itself will help me title the car registered.  I'll buy a reproduction VIN Tag on line so it will be official!

More to come next weekend...

Rob

rob289c

1972 Wagon

My mother just turned 95. We have a friend who just celebrated his 101st BD and is still mentally sharp. Another friend's motber-in-law died in July, two months short of her 110th BD. She was one of our counties first covid cases. Other than a mild fever, she was never sick. The only reason she was even diagnosed was because the nursing homes started checking for symptoms.
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

dga57

Quote from: caravan3921 on September 05, 2022, 02:00:11 PM
It's getting to be quite common for people to live to 100 and beyond.
When I was growing up, it was RARE for someone to get to 100 yrs.
My last remaining aunt is now 105!!

No one in my family has made it that far yet, but my paternal grandmother made it to 95.  The aforementioned twins are two of her seven offspring.  I do, however, know a lady in my church congregation who is 102 and still in good health.  She will turn 103 in February assuming all goes well! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

caravan3921

It's getting to be quite common for people to live to 100 and beyond.
When I was growing up, it was RARE for someone to get to 100 yrs.
My last remaining aunt is now 105!!

dga57

Your New York weather forecast sounds just about like what we're having here in Virginia.  It started raining here about 3:00 a.m. and, while it hasn't been much more than a drizzle so far, it's supposed to keep going until about midnight tonight!  It would be lousy weather to be traipsing around a State Fairground!  I took my twin aunts out for breakfast this morning to celebrate their 92nd birthday.  Frankly, when I saw the rain this morning, I suspected they might cancel, but they didn't.  I took along a big umbrella just in case.  I wasn't too worried about myself, but I didn't think it would probably be a good thing for them to get drenched if a real downpour occurred while we were out.  I got them fed and back home without incident, so I count that as a win.  Our annual breakfast outing has been a tradition since they turned 80 back in 2010; I never dreamed we'd still be doing it twelve years later! 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

No project progress this weekend.  I may go out very early tomorrow (Monday) AM before I have to go to the State Fair and fill and finish a couple of tiny imperfections and spread another coat of filler on the cowl section.  It won't be a lot but every little bit of progress gets me closer to the finished product.  The forecast of rain tomorrow may buy me a little garage time...as much as my wife wants to go to the Fair, she likes getting wet a lot less!  Forecast is for more rain in the AM and clearing in the PM...

As for getting my project titled and inspected, my goal is to get the title from PA for the Mustang portion.  I want to register it as a 67 Ford:  no side marker lights and no emissions.  Even if they can provide me with just the VIN, I can run with that through the State of Vermont to get a Vermont Title, then get it titled in The People's Republic of NY.  If that fails, The Pinto is titled in my name so I can register it as a 1980 Ford, but then when NY decides to enforce original equipment rules, I will have to incorporate side marker lights, and all 1980 emission controls which I plan to completely discard.  I could go down the path of a "custom" or "homemade" car but there are way more hoops to jump through and much more scrutiny.  I will prevail... 8)
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dga57

Quote from: rob289c on August 30, 2022, 06:52:00 PM
I am spending every spare minute I have on this thing...I'll be happy when I can drive it around my circle.  In the background I am trying to work with the Commonwealth of PA trying to get the title for the abandoned Mustang section that is making up the rear half of my project.  If that doesn't pan out, I have a couple of other options to get this thing registered and on the road...

I don't know how it works in Pennsylvania, but in Virginia, where there's a will, there's a way... although you may have to jump through numerous hoops to find it!  Good luck!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I am spending every spare minute I have on this thing...I'll be happy when I can drive it around my circle.  In the background I am trying to work with the Commonwealth of PA trying to get the title for the abandoned Mustang section that is making up the rear half of my project.  If that doesn't pan out, I have a couple of other options to get this thing registered and on the road...
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dga57

Sounds like a busy weekend coming up!  One thing is certain: that project will be sitting there waiting for you whenever you have the time to sand.  Tedious as sanding is, it makes all the difference in the world in your finished product!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Yesterday I spread the polyester filler and today I sanded.  Not sure if it made much of a difference but it sure created a lot more work!  I also started sanding/shaping the cowl section. It is rounded and irregular shaped so it is going to need a lot more massaging.  I will be working out of town again this week, then Labor Day weekend is a total loss to me as far as this project goes.  Saturday my VFW is hosting a charity cruise in and as one of the organizers I will be there all day.  Sunday is a family reunion, and Monday my wife wants me to take her to the NY State Fair.  I would rather sand Bondo and I don't even like doing that!  It looks like it will be the following weekend that I will get time on my project.  I am getting closer to being able to spray primer and paint.  I pray that the weather stays warm.  The long range forecast that we get at work suggests a warmer than normal pattern through September and into October so that bodes well for my plan.  Once November starts I can't work on projects...only daily driver maintenance and repairs.  I will keep you posted on progress as I make it.
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rob289c

Did I mention that I got my tires mounted?  After primer and black enamel on the frame, underside, rear wheel wells, cabin interior and trunk area, I will assemble the front end and bolt on the tires/wheels.  225 60 15 on 15x7 rims.
rob289c

dga57

That sounds like a plan!  I can't wait to see this thing come together!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I spent the better part of the day creating the top ridge on both quarter panels, and blending the filler down toward the trunk opening.  It came out pretty good, but it caused me to re-do areas that I had already done.  I didn't get to the polyester finishing putty but will do that next weekend.  I also still have to sand the cowl area.  I have to sand the body filler on the cowl itself, the rounded portions at each end, and where I welded patches in to cover up where the hood hinges attached.  I'm sure it will be another good day of sanding.  Hopefully I can wrap up this body filler sanding mission next weekend. 
rob289c

rob289c

Perfect...thank you!  After my last body work session on Thursday I was going to say "good enough", but then I decided I wasn't happy with the body line at the top of the 1/4 panels so on Friday after I got back from car show set up I did a little Bondo build up so I can create a sharper line.  I am about to go out and sand to see f I can shape it properly.  At some point I will have to call it quits bit I want to get it as good as my limited body skills will allow.  After I get it shaped I will do the polyester putty on the major body repair areas and call it good.  I will blow off the dust, damp sponge again, wipe it down with solvent, then wipe any bare metal surfaces with DuPont Quick-Prep, then pray for a decently warm September weekend so I can spray epoxy and black enamel.  More to come...
rob289c

dga57

Quote from: rob289c on August 18, 2022, 07:13:24 PM

***Dwayne:  Can we change the Title to "Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster"?  It is no longer going to be a trike*** 

A roadster it is, my friend.  Happy to help!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

I fixed my trouble spots but found a little more to fix.  Did I mention I am sick of doing bodywork?!!  I didn't get to do the polyester putty yet.  Maybe tomorrow if I get back from pre-car show set up duty.  I did blow down, then damp sponge the body before I rolled it back in the garage.  I will get it dusty again after applying and sanding the polyester.  There will still be some body imperfections, but at this point I will live with them.  This was never meant to be a show car and there were a lot of compromised body panels that I had to salvage and make presentable.  At least the quarters and tail light panel are new and will look decent!  I did fit the rear valance panel to the body in an unconventional way that is actually better than the factory method.  I am able to jury-rig and improvise to my heart's content since I am not building a concourse-correct car.  If the stars align, I may be able to spray epoxy the weekend of 8/27-28.  If I do, I will send pics. 

***Dwayne:  Can we change the Title to "Pinto Powered Mustang Roadster"?  It is no longer going to be a trike*** 
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I thought I would have ben further along by now but I continue to mix, spread and sand body filler as often as my busy life allows.  I have about 6 small trouble areas that I will try to rectify tomorrow.  Then I will give the areas I did bodywork a coat of polyester putty to fill sanding scratches and other small imperfections.  If all goes well, that may happen tomorrow or at worst on Friday.  The car club I am a member of is hosting a car show on Saturday so I will spend part of Friday helping to set up the show field and do other last minute details and Saturday I will be at the show all day.  On Sunday if all bodywork is complete, I will DA the rest of the body and scuff the frame, then blow down and clean all surfaces in preparation for primer and paint.  I will be working out of town for the next two weeks starting 8/22 but will be home for the in-between weekend.  I hope to epoxy prime the entire body and chassis, including the under side.  I will them paint the underside, frame, and interior shell, including the interior of the trunk area with black enamel.  After that, if I get a warm September weekend I will paint the body.  If not, I will paint the body next Spring.  In the meantime, I will remove engine accessories, sand, sandblast, clean, degrease, prime, paint.  I will clean and degrease the exterior engine, paint the block and oil pan Ford Blue, keep the head natural, remove any unnecessary emission controls and vacuum hoses, re-gasket any external mating surfaces, install the header, then put the fresh-looking 2.3 back in the chassis.  Then I can assemble the front suspension.  By that time it will be time to push it into the corner for the Winter and resume in the Spring.  I will keep you posted as I make progress. 
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dga57

Progress can be painstakingly slow if done properly, but it is STILL progress!  Keep up the good work!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Between Saturday morning and Sunday afternoon I was able to make progress.  Nothing that is readily apparent so pics aren't included, but lots of small improvements.  I am taking this coming Thursday and Friday off from work so I am hoping that I can wrap up the body repair phase or get close to completion by the end of this coming weekend.  I have other commitments that are going to eat into my sanding time but I should be pretty much done and ready to shoot epoxy.  I may wait till Saturday August 13 as I took that next week off so I should have plenty of time to prep and spray.  The car club I belong to is hosting a show on Saturday, 8/20 so Friday, 8/19 we will be setting up and wiil be working the show all day Saturday.  I will continue to post progress as I make it...
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dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

The weekend is here...I will get to work on it tomorrow AM until about noon at which point I will have to stop and get ready for a one-year-old's birthday party (hooray).  Sunday I will have until about 2:30 to play with it so I hope between those two sessions I can get a lot done and move me closer to primer and paint.  I'll post an update at some point this weekend...
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dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

rob289c

Thank you...I have quite a bit to go.  I had to weld the roof and the leading edge of the roof on as well as the quarter panels so I have a lot of blending in to do.  I had to form the body lines at the trailing edge of the roof at the top of the quarter panels.  I am filling in spot weld indents and smoothing out the rear window opening.  A lot of difficult to access areas.  I have to keep reminding myself that the intent was never to make a perfect show car out of it, rather just save two pieces of junk that should have been scrapped long ago!  During the week I won't be able to work on it and I will lose more than half my upcoming Saturday to other commitments, but should be able to spend a lot of time on Sunday.  I can't wait to get this part done so I can get on to more fun parts of the project.  On Friday I ordered my wheel adapters...the y are already here!  Shipped from CA to NY over a weekend, standard bulk USPS. I will continue to post progress until I have to roll it into the corner this Fall. :o
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