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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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71v8Pinto

I think wittsend nailed it, I am a long time moderator on two gun forums and we see the same problems. It's too bad, you meet some fun, really enthusiastic people with cool stuff and they either burn out or life gets in the way. Or, they have projects they haven't counted the cost and get discouraged. Wish it wasn't that way, but sometimes it is. I have a few real off the internet friends that I met on the forum and can't hardly get them back on, and we text and hang out occasionally so I know they are out there doing the same stuff when they were posting.
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Quote from: Wittsend on July 12, 2019, 02:55:29 PM
" Because when I genuinely needed advice or help, very few stepped up to lend a hand. It frustrates me.  No, I haven't posted in quite a while. Why? Because when I genuinely needed advice or help, very few stepped up to lend a hand. It frustrates me. Lots (o)f people help those who want to modify their cars, but almost no one wants to help someone who wants to keep their car stock."

I don't think it is a matter on not wanting to help. It is more a matter of experience or knowledge. True a lot of people here modify their Pinto's. They replace the factory part AND the way it is implemented. So, they are not necessarily going to be able to answer the posed question regarding a stock configuration. But, they likely aren't deliberately withholding information as the statement implies.

"Then people go into politics- ... . "

For the most part this place seems to have been rather political free. Most car sites restrict political discussion except as it regards vehicular laws that affect the hobby. But even there if a certain political party enacted a law affecting the hobby and someone complained about that party, people get offended.  It is hard to bring up laws that affect cars and not have the discussion go deeper.

"Now, just because I haven't been on here in quite a while, it doesn't mean I shouldn't have the privilege of a membership or get to come on the site."

I don't think there was ever a restriction or that you were barred from the site.  It is confusing as to what is being posed by the above statement?

As I read what is posted it seems to regard people who were here five years ago and are now LONG GONE. When asking for free advice it should be without expectation that the advise will be provided. In many case people just don't know.  I've never had a problem with woman on car sites. In fact I was rather impress that given the small size of this site there were significantly more woman here than other (larger) sites I frequent.  If the site is to be beneficial it is time to move on from the past.

There could not have been a more positive message wrote!!!!!
Turbo is a way of life

dga57

Many of the people on this site have been here for quite a while and there are quite a few whom I've actually met and gotten to know fairly well.  I do not believe anyone here would purposely withhold information or give misinformation.  As site activity has slowed tremendously over the past few years, our biggest asset has been our vast archive of technical information regarding Pintos, both stock and modified.  Help usually comes for any specific query, but sometimes it takes a while; we can't/don't offer the instant gratification of Facebook.  What we DO offer is a wealth of knowledge about these car.  I can only speculate as to why so many people sign up and then never post.  I can't help wondering if a token membership fee ($1.00 - 2.00) would deter some of those people?  I don't think it would be enough to deter anyone who is truly interested. 

I've belonged to a number of automotive forums over the years and this one is the least political one I've experienced, but that's not to say that political topics never come up.  The most ardent rabble-rousers seem to have fallen by the wayside in recent years.  

I have always been impressed by the female members of this site and their commitment to keeping their ponies on the road.  That's a bit of a rarity in the automotive world and I have NEVER taken them for granted.  

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Wittsend

" Because when I genuinely needed advice or help, very few stepped up to lend a hand. It frustrates me.  No, I haven't posted in quite a while. Why? Because when I genuinely needed advice or help, very few stepped up to lend a hand. It frustrates me. Lots (o)f people help those who want to modify their cars, but almost no one wants to help someone who wants to keep their car stock." 

I don't think it is a matter on not wanting to help. It is more a matter of experience or knowledge. True a lot of people here modify their Pinto's. They replace the factory part AND the way it is implemented. So, they are not necessarily going to be able to answer the posed question regarding a stock configuration. But, they likely aren't deliberately withholding information as the statement implies.

"Then people go into politics- ... . "

For the most part this place seems to have been rather political free. Most car sites restrict political discussion except as it regards vehicular laws that affect the hobby. But even there if a certain political party enacted a law affecting the hobby and someone complained about that party, people get offended.  It is hard to bring up laws that affect cars and not have the discussion go deeper.

 "Now, just because I haven't been on here in quite a while, it doesn't mean I shouldn't have the privilege of a membership or get to come on the site."

I don't think there was ever a restriction or that you were barred from the site.  It is confusing as to what is being posed by the above statement?

As I read what is posted it seems to regard people who were here five years ago and are now LONG GONE. When asking for free advice it should be without expectation that the advise will be provided. In many case people just don't know.  I've never had a problem with woman on car sites. In fact I was rather impress that given the small size of this site there were significantly more woman here than other (larger) sites I frequent.  If the site is to be beneficial it is time to move on from the past.

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The Whistler

All of you have good points. Yes there is something  going on out there, what I do not know. I agree there is no reason to be here and not even say hello. I don't post much but I do post.
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dga57

No one is discounting your years of participation and contributions here, Becky.  Always good to see you on the site, however infrequent that maybe.  Just know that you are ALWAYS welcome here!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

blupinto

I feel compelled to reply to some of the concerns here.
No, I haven't posted in quite a while. Why? Because when I genuinely needed advice or help, very few stepped up to lend a hand. It frustrates me. Lots f people help those who want to modify their cars, but almost no one wants to help someone who wants to keep their car stock. It's really discouraged me from asking here anymore... and that lead me to not come to the site like I used to. Then people go into politics- and yes, politics has an effect on our cars- but when someone has a difference of opinion on something political here, they get verbally attacked. There's enough of that on facebook.  Now, just because I haven't been on here in quite a while, it doesn't mean I shouldn't have the privilege of a membership or get to come on the site. I read about what's going on in the Pinto world... who got a new one... who passed away,... whatever.  I know the original post was about why so many membership requests all of a sudden, but don't discount those of us who have been here for years but don't post.
One can never have too many Pintos!

russosborne

True. On lots of forums, guest can't see most of the forum. You tend to have to register to see if you really want to spend time there.
Many sites, guests can't even look at the for sale/wanted sections, never mind posting to them.
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65ShelbyClone

There's nothing unusual happening. It was common even 20 years ago before blogging and social media existed.
I've registered on other forums before just to access content limited to registered users like files or post attachments.
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Wittsend

Bill,

I would agree with you that it sure has a strange appearance. That said I believe we need to take Dwayne's statements at face value that there is someone at the helm of this ship. It is a bit of a mystery to me that Scott Hamilton owns the site but very, very rarely do I ever see him post. He's not required to obviously, but it is a bit like offering weekly parties but the host not attending.

There have been a few explanations offered as to why so few people post anymore. Facebook being the main reason. Arguments being another.  Sadly there was one individual that often seemed to wrangle the woman here. And that was unfortunate because I'm active on car sites far bigger than the PCCA and there are maybe "one to none" woman who post.  Here we had upwards of about five woman at one time. Also, the financial crisis seemed to redirect a lot of peoples attention. And while that was a while ago I think the "next one" looms in a lot of peoples minds.

Availability is yet another factor. The "Turbo Pinto" was a very popular subject 10+ years ago.  The availability of Turbo Coupe donor cars were plentiful. But I can surely account that withing six months to a year of my buying my Pinto (2007) I saw that donor source start to dry up.   Every trip to Pick A Part provided about five T/C's to source parts from. A couple of years later it was one to three and a few year past that it was one. I don't think in the past five years I've seen one Turbo Coupe in the yards. Thankfully I already had my donor car before I had my Pinto. But, it is a lot harder to have inspiration when availability is greatly diminished.

Staleness is a likely factor. Sometimes when it is the same people with the same issues and not adhering to wise advise given, those who offer such advise just grow weary of giving it. A number of people have personally expressed this to me.

One thing I do find here in a larger percentage are for lack of a better term "Dreamers."  They are people who want a Pinto, or own a Pinto in dire condition. They either lack the skills and/or money to accomplish their dreams. They sign up with the greatest of enthusiasm but lacking one or both of the necessities drift off into obscurity when confronted with the reality of classic car ownership. To their credit some who have had hardship still persist - but they are few.

I also think that life is cyclical. When I was a kid (mid 60's) slot car tracks popped up in just about every city. The places were packed. By the early 70's most were gone. Well they didn't stop making kids (and adults who wanted to be kids) so why the decline? It might be that like a stock that come roaring out when first offered it settles down to a realistic value. Maybe the Internet has cycled and what car websites have become are the norm and the past was an inflated bubble.  Whatever the reasons and causes those of us who remain just need to make the most of it.

Tom

dga57

Strange as it may seem, more membership requests are rejected than approved nowadays.  Due to the increase in spammers, we no longer have automated approval like we once did.  Every sign-up is either approved or rejected by an Administrator.  There are many factors that "red flag" a sign-up including geographic location, unusual usernames or email addresses, offensive usernames or email addresses, etc.  As to why people sign up and then don't post, I don't have an answer but we definitely try not to turn any legitimate member away.  Occasionally, a perfectly legitimate-seeming member will turn out to be a spammer and, whenever that happens, they are dealt with swiftly and permanently.  Warnings are not issued; instead, the offending member is the subject of a total ban and their account is deleted.  This tactic has been relatively successful and most spam that has been posted in recent years tends to be in the Shout Box rather than in the forum threads themselves.  I personally spend several hours per day on the site, much of it during the overnight hours, and so am able to remove quite a bit of it before anyone sees it.  When something does slip through, it is dealt with as soon as humanly possible and I encourage members to report such posts or simply send me a PM. 


Thanks,
Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

The Whistler

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JoeBob


     It has been mentioned in passing by several people that we are getting loads of new members. It appears we are getting 2-5 every day. Nearly all of these new members post nothing. As far as I know, the only advantage a member holds over a nonmember is the ability to post. This whole site is accessible to everyone. If there is no desire to post, there should be no desire for membership.
    I'll admit I know nothing about online stuff. I think I saw a Facebook page once, when my wife wanted to show me a photo. Is it possible that there is some kind of competition to expand one's online footprint? Are there points issued for every online registration one generates?
     This doesn't sound like an interesting game, but my wife had some kind of online farm game once. She raised every kind of plant and animal known to man. After the real commodities were all done, she planted lollypop trees, cotton candy fields, and had herds of gummy bears. After that I'll believe anything.
      Does anyone have a clue what is really happening?


Bill
     
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