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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1972 1.6 Runabout gas tank

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72pintoproject

I have put a later tank in a 72 pinto. The later straps have to be used but it seems to work well. It hangs out further below the valence. I can't upload to gallery but I'll try and attach a file. I had also posted a thread previously about the installation.


Wittsend

It will be interesting to see the pictures. There is "stock" fit and often times there is modified fit where a simple spacer, a bracket notch etc. will do the trick. I have no idea what it is in this case but would be curious to see. If it is a clearance issue and you can show that in pictures that will be great. The more we know the more we can all help each other.

Wrench Monkey

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on March 03, 2019, 12:24:49 PM
How so?

The tank overall dimensions are the same, but the shapes are different. A 1970-1973 style tank can fit into later model pintos, but later model pinto tanks cannot. Once the rains stop I'll pull my tank out and post pictures.

JoeBob


I bought one of these two for my 76. I don't remember which one. There is a small difference at the filler neck connection. I just bought the one that looked like mine.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pinto+fuel+tank&ref=nb_sb_noss
I bought the sending unit on this page below the shown fuel tank. I never tried it out. I did not finish the project. Some one here at the club bought it. They said it worked backwards. F=empty and E=full. You might be able to rewire it or just remember how it reads.
Bill
https://www.amazon.com/Spectra-Premium-F80A-Mustang-Pinto/dp/B0049QQ49W/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=pinto+fuel+tank&qid=1551765541&s=gateway&sr=8-2
77 yellow Bobcat hatchback
Deuteronomy 7:9

Wittsend

 I get a side bar link to a Partgeek ad that lists 75-76 as a different part number then 77-80. Yet, the external dimensions are listed as the same. I know at some point Ford went to a longer filler neck (to keep it from popping out). I'm assuming any difference probably has to do with ventilation and vapor recovery. However, they might have made tank design changes for their "problem," or such changes as spare tire well size change (space saver spare), different fuel senders etc..

  Measure your tanks dimensions, see if they match the tank you have and perhaps it will work just putting caps on certain hose connectors of later cars. The more critical aspects would be the filler neck and fuel sender. Search and see if they have similar part numbers. Anyone have a Hollander Interchange book?

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: Wrench Monkey on March 03, 2019, 05:51:48 AM
The gas tanks are actually drastically different from what I've heard and seen.
How so?
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

Wrench Monkey

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on March 02, 2019, 12:47:24 PM
New tanks for '75+ Pintos are still available for about $200-250. I don't know what's different, but I have one out of a '78 hatch and seem to recall the one in my '72 looking identical.

The gas tanks are actually drastically different from what I've heard and seen. If I can't get a good quote to rebuild mine then I'm going to be cutting out the hatch floor and putting a Mach1 tank in there instead.

65ShelbyClone

New tanks for '75+ Pintos are still available for about $200-250. I don't know what's different, but I have one out of a '78 hatch and seem to recall the one in my '72 looking identical.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

PintoMan1

that sounds about right. I had my whole tank gone over. like I said very happy with there work! you cant go wrong!
1973 pinto runabout

Wrench Monkey

Quote from: pintoman1 on February 08, 2019, 07:39:04 PM
hi, I went with moyer tank repair and they did a really nice job on my tank. it looked (and still does) like new. I've had mine done now about 11-12 years ago. and with no issues at all. they may seem pricey but well worth the money! you cant go wrong!


p.s.  just my two cents!

I reached out to them for an estimate. My tank only has a small corner leak and the rest still looks fine. How much was your restoration back then? I was quoted $350 just by describing the issue and it's more than a fair price that I would go with.

Many Thanks,
Wrench Monkey

PintoMan1


hi, I went with moyer tank repair and they did a really nice job on my tank. it looked (and still does) like new. I've had mine done now about 11-12 years ago. and with no issues at all. they may seem pricey but well worth the money! you cant go wrong!


p.s.  just my two cents!
1973 pinto runabout

Wrench Monkey

Quote from: russosborne on February 07, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
You might want to check with these guys.
http://www.gas-tank.com
If you want it professionally done.
Or do some research on using JB Weld. Seriously.
I live in the Phoenix area, and got lots of local places while searching that may do it. Have you searched Google for gas tank repair near you?

Good luck.
Russ

I had not known about such a service. They seem to really know how to repair and restore a tank, so I'll go with them. I'll also do some looking around locally, but I know that nobody in my area specializes in car gas tank repairs.

Many thanks,
Wrench Monkey

russosborne

You might want to check with these guys.
http://www.gas-tank.com
If you want it professionally done.
Or do some research on using JB Weld. Seriously.
I live in the Phoenix area, and got lots of local places while searching that may do it. Have you searched Google for gas tank repair near you?

Good luck.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Wittsend

Sorry, I don't. But hopefully someone here may have one they are willing to sell. This board moves rather slow so be patient.

Wrench Monkey

Quote from: Wittsend on February 07, 2019, 07:34:39 PM
NO!!! DON'T WELD ON A GAS TANK!!! Even static electricity from hair and clothes can ignite gasoline.  The only (and still very risky) way I've heard of tanks being welded is to fill them mostly with water and then add dry ice. The dry ice gives off carbon dioxide and supposedly prevents fuel vapors for igniting. I in no way advise this. Do everything at your own risk and liability.

First check where the leak is actually coming from. Often it can "look" like it is coming from one area but it might be coming from elsewhere.  Let the tank dry then have someone shake the car while you observe with a flashlight from the underside. Sometimes it is the fuel sender, a fuel line etc. that can the the real source of the leak.

If the tank is bad and has a hole there are options. Ideally replace the tank, it is 47 years old. There are putty's that can fix a hole and solutions that you slosh in the tank (once removed) that are intended to fill voids. But they should be considered temporary fixes.

Again, be careful.  I've had gas run in my ear and it was the most painful experience I ever had.  I have had gas run out of a tank (I thought was empty) run all over the garage floor and then knocked a clip light into the fuel. Thankful the bulb didn't break but it was not a good situation to be in.

Good thing I'm not rushing to get it fixed at the moment. I have already assessed the damage to the gas tank and it seems to be on the driver side corner closest to the rear. There is an impressive amount of rust on the corner and it leak in many drips a minute.

Do you know of anywhere that I can get a replacement gas tank?

Many thanks,
Wrench Monkey

Wittsend

NO!!! DON'T WELD ON A GAS TANK!!! Even static electricity from hair and clothes can ignite gasoline.  The only (and still very risky) way I've heard of tanks being welded is to fill them mostly with water and then add dry ice. The dry ice gives off carbon dioxide and supposedly prevents fuel vapors from igniting. I in no way advise this. Do everything at your own risk and liability.

First check where the leak is actually coming from. Often it can "look" like it is coming from one area but it might be coming from elsewhere.  Let the tank dry then have someone shake the car while you observe with a flashlight from the underside. Sometimes it is the fuel sender, a fuel line etc. that can the the real source of the leak.

If the tank is bad and has a hole there are options. Ideally replace the tank, it is 47 years old. There are putty's that can fix a hole and solutions that you slosh in the tank (once removed) that are intended to fill voids. But they should be considered temporary fixes.

Again, be careful.  I've had gas run in my ear and it was the most painful experience I ever had.  I have had gas run out of a tank (I thought was empty) run all over the garage floor and then knocked a clip light into the fuel. Thankful the bulb didn't break but it was not a good situation to be in.


Wrench Monkey

Hello everyone!
Just became a member of the Pinto community 3 hours ago when I drove it back to my friend's house. I immediately noticed that the gas tank has electricians tape on it and is leaking heavily underneath. Is there a place where I can find a replacement for it, or would I need to get some sheet metal and get it welded back together?

Many thanks,
Wrench Monkey  ;)