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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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71v8Pinto

Nice work, Sir! Looking great so far.
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wrastu

For what it's worth, I made a blog type page with pics of projects (bikes and cars) of mine and some of my co-conspirators.

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wrastu

Made some air filter bases and tops for the tunnel ram and carbs

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Duty - Honor - Country - not just a catchy phrase, it's a way of life.

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Duty - Honor - Country - not just a catchy phrase, it's a way of life.

wrastu

Added a cheapo gilmer drive for the alt and water pump.

Bought some vinyl lettering, will get some pics of that now that the board is back up.

Scored a great deal on an Offy 360 turbo thrust tunnel ram, setting up a couple QFT 450's for it, making my linkage and planning the fuel lines for also.

Picked up a Trick Flow Stage 2 cam, some hyd rollers, next gonna get some new alum heads, and thinking real hard about either 3+1 toploader imposter or maybe a T5 or WCT5.

Put some tunes in a couple weeks ago, had to do the 70/80's 6x9's across the rear package tray, added an amp and a sub.

Picked up a stock hood, gonna need to put a scoop on it for the tunnel ram and didn't want to try and adapt the current fiberglass hood in case I go back to a single 4bbl, and a glass hood with a molded in scoop is over 600 delivered.
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wrastu

Well it cooling system was having a hard time keeping up so it all came off, but before hand I bought a high volume pump, aluminum radiator, and took it all apart. During disassembly I found the thermostat bypass tube at the thermostat filled with silicone, half the old thermostat blocked by silicone, and the block coolant passages from the water pump half closed off with silicone.

So it is safe to say the previous owner loved applying way too much silicone. But since I had the new parts I went to install them and found the lower drivers side bolt for the block inlet port wouldn't tighten up. D*mn stripped bolt hole. So off comes the timing cover to helicoil or step up to a 3/8 bolt from a 5/16.

What did I find? The bolt had at one time been way over tightened or something had caused the area there to crack all the way through the wall between the coolant passage and the timing chain area. It was smothered in......SILICONE! After getting it all cleaned up it was clear that the chunk of block could come loose and fall in to the timing gear drive, it was still attached but clearly a problem, the chunk was about 2/3 the size of a golf ball.

Well what to do? New block, take it apart and re-use the parts? Another engine?

NAW, I remembered I had one stick of Certanium 707 from years ago. (Used it for welding Hastelloy C276 and 316 Stainless together) Took the grinder and notched it after knocking off the Arc welding flux on the rod, and used my TIG to weld it up after pre-heating the block as much as I could. Used a grinding disc to smooth it down as best as I could, used a carbide 4 flute angled chamfer bit in a drill to flare the bolt hole and took a little longer bolt, turned the head off and tapped it in the hole and welded around the bolt in the chamfer to make it a stud now.

The thought is if the piece cracks or breaks off there will be leak but the chunk won't end up the timing gear drive as it will be attached to the stud. The weld should hold as it only holds the timing cover and water pump on, it ain't pretty, but now I get to silicone up that area.

I didn't have any proper cast iron rod but have used Certanium 707 in the past on cast iron and never had  problem, and the area will heat and cool uniformly with rest of the block, and isn't exposed to cool air like a manifold would be. Guess this winters project is a to build another engine. 

Will post some pics after it is all together, my welding sucks on this repair and I ain't showing it off.
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This little car just keeps surprising me. Took off the valve covers to clean them up some and when removed look what I found!

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Well mostly done for the winter mods, have a smaller carb on the way, need to paint the hood yet, and front end alignment tomorrow hopefully.

But the Old Pony got to got out and stretch her legs around the block and test out the manual valve body.

Still needs a bath, but here she is for this season anyway.











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wrastu

Quote from: pintoman1972 on March 19, 2019, 09:41:42 PM
Mileage, what mileage? 

When I get asked about millage I tell them I GET 1000 SMILES PER MILE!

Sometimes it is how many traffic violations per tank full ::)
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russosborne

Thanks again.
Appreciate the help.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

wrastu

Quote from: russosborne on March 19, 2019, 11:04:32 PM
Thanks. Sounds simple enough that even I can do it.
Russ

Hint/Tip: the nicer (shinier) finish you have before you start jeweling more prismatic the results will be, and a light touch is all that is needed. Test pieces are a good idea.

Stu
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Quote from: wrastu on January 26, 2019, 10:03:37 AM
Nothing fancy as tools go, a 3M scotchbrite circular disc held in a cheap drill press spun about 500-1500 rpm pressed flat to the surface, I use WD-40 as a wetting/lubricant and free hand away, I use a sharpie to mark some rough lines to follow and over lap each circle to cover the entire surface. Easy peasy.



Thanks. Sounds simple enough that even I can do it.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

pintoman1972

Mileage, what mileage? 

When I get asked about millage I tell them I GET 1000 SMILES PER MILE!

dga57

Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

wrastu

Had to make a coolant overflow/reserve tank, just because I could.

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wrastu

Got my home adapted ford floor shifter in, it has reverse lock out and uses the detents from n to 3rd gear, reverse pattern manual valve body now.
Friend of mine made a factory looking cover out of some aluminum scrap, looks enough like the original, but just enough that you look twice and realize it isn't. Had to grind new shift notches, should work ok for now.





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wrastu

Too cheap to buy a deep pan for the trans, so I made an extension and some line holders for the fuel and trans cooling lines.







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wrastu

Well finally got the door panels mounted.

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wrastu

Spent the evening working on converting my stock automatic floor shifter to something that will work better with the manual reverse pattern.

I wanted to keep the factory type linkage for the trans instead of changing to a cable that would be real close to the header on the drivers side, and new shifters cost a bundle, so I modified mine to the point I am happy with the way it turned out.

Till have yet to make the pull up lever attachment for the release bar and find a shift knob I like.
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wrastu

Bumpers back from powder coat, first time they were a little to light of a shade of gray, this time they are as close as they are gonna be. My powder coat guy is real good with his want to please the customer, he did the bumpers over no charge, and built it up a bit to hide some of the pitting, it will be fine for a driver.

Put my home made air dam on the front and that's about it for the front.....time to finish the rear bumper.

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wrastu

Thanks all for the compliments and encouragement.

Got the C4 valve body out, it is going to Montana to converted to reverse pattern manual shift. Getting new output yoke seal and new u-joints also.

Was replacing the windshield seal/rubber the other day using the string method and got down to the last 3 inches and CRACK. Gonna have a local guy who does a lot of custom and hot rod glass order me a new one and put it in. The other was hazing up on the corners pretty bad anyway, and had permanent marks in the glass from the windshield wipers anyway.

Gonna slow a bit for a couple to three weeks, Wife is having surgery and I will be playing nurse to her.

Stu
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wrastu

My little pony got new rear booties today.





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wrastu

Quote from: russosborne on January 26, 2019, 02:49:58 AM
Nice.
I've thought about using aluminum, but I would have to just go with plain, no fancy tools.
Russ

Nothing fancy as tools go, a 3M scotchbrite circular disc held in a cheap drill press spun about 500-1500 rpm pressed flat to the surface, I use WD-40 as a wetting/lubricant and free hand away, I use a sharpie to mark some rough lines to follow and over lap each circle to cover the entire surface. Easy peasy.

 
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russosborne

Nice.
I've thought about using aluminum, but I would have to just go with plain, no fancy tools.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

wrastu

Snowing like crazy here, and I spent the day helping a friend add OSB to the inner walls of his shop, came home and decided to do the door panels I made the other day.

Got a sheet of AL for various things, decided not to use the destroyed / worn out door panels, so I made some and presto.



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wrastu

Bumpers, front and rear, not fitted spaced/shimmed perfectly, will fit them better after powder coat, did paint with some gray so I can visualize what they will look like powder coated, pushed in, trimmed, filled.

Not perfect but they will do.











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wrastu

Quote from: russosborne on January 09, 2019, 12:33:56 AM
Thanks.
I am trying to think of a way to route the fill hose without being in the car. Not sure I can lower the cell enough.
Thinking I might have to have a raised floor.
I have to pass emissions here also. They check the fuel cap for vacuum or some such thing.
Russ

I don't have to pass smog here, and the cap I picked does seal and is not vented, the tank has a vent / tip over valve that has to be run to a location higher than the filler neck opening.

The filler hose will run thru the trunk, and I am going to add an aluminum panel over the opening at the back of the rear seat, and an aluminum package shelf cover, so if hit from the rear the gas and fumes shouldn't enter the passenger compartment very easily.
Duty - Honor - Country - not just a catchy phrase, it's a way of life.

russosborne

Thanks.
I am trying to think of a way to route the fill hose without being in the car. Not sure I can lower the cell enough.
Thinking I might have to have a raised floor.
I have to pass emissions here also. They check the fuel cap for vacuum or some such thing.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.