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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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russosborne

Well, the interest has always been there.
The money and the energy however........ :o

Although I had a very scary depressing thought last night.
I was thinking about doing some stuff over the next couple of years, and it hit me in the face that in 10 years I will be looking at turning 70 on my next birthday then.
Not sure how many years I have left that I will be able to do this sort of stuff.
Be funny to get the Pinto done and not be able to drive it.  ::) I already am planning on having swing out bars installed on the cage. I might still be able to crawl over the bars, but no way my wife could.

Thinking about seats. I really think I don't want the Mustang power seats. I don't need power seats in this car, and they weigh a lot. I miss being so close to Summit, I could go there and sit in different seats to see what fits my fat behind. Going to be hard to do that online. We still have a speed shop local (Loper's), I'll have to go there and see if they have any when I get to that point. Too old to not have comfortable seats. I still want the racing style, but comfort is a must. Looking at this as being more or less a daily driver.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Russ,


It sounds like when the weather cools down a bit, you'll have plenty to keep you busy!  I'm excited to see your renewed interest in the projects!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Well, I am slowly (or not so slowly  :P ) gathering parts.
Ordered this Friday night when I got home from work.
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Speedway-Mustang-II-Tubular-Lower-Control-Arm-for-Stock-Strut-Rod,29287.html
I ordered both left and right, the above is just the left.
I already have the uppers that I bought at the swap meet a couple of years ago. And I bought
this
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Mustang-II-2-Inch-Dropped-Steel-Spindles-and-Brackets,81816.html
at the beginning of the month. I saw the price on it and woke my wife up to ask if we had the money.  ;D
I also got the stock height spindles with the tubular stuff I bought at the swap meet, so I can try both if I want to. Whichever I don't use will probably go on the 74 eventually. And with the brackets that come with the 2 inch dropped spindles I bought both cars can have the bigger brakes. I really need to find that stuff. I know "about" where they are.  :-[

Bad news is that Speedway doesn't offer poly bushings for these. I forget, but I am pretty sure either the upper or the lower (not both though  >:( :( ) takes a stock bushing. So I can buy a poly kit and use half of it. I don't understand why they wouldn't offer poly for these, they do for lots of their other arms. But I asked them and they said no.

Working lots of overtime at work. Even with letting my wife spend half of it I am getting to spend quite a bit.

Hoping it starts cooling off for real here soon, probably another 4 weeks though. It will be in the 80's the beginning of this week, but then it is going back up to over 100 again for a while.  :(

This is likely the next major purchase and then I am done for now with the front suspension/brakes.
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Mustang-II-Complete-11-Inch-Brake-Kit-Ford-5-x-4-1-2-Bolt-Pattern,2008.html
I've already started looking into upgrades for these brakes, but won't worry about that until after the car is on the road. Might not need anything more anyway. Maybe better pads.

Still trying to decide on the rear. I can either have the 4 lug axles welded/redrilled for the 5 lug pattern, get new axles from someone like Moser, or get an 8 inch rear from a 65-70 Mustang. Found one locally, but the guy wants $200 for the bare housing, and another $150 for the axles. I'd have to modify the spring perches slightly, but that I can do, but I'd have to have a machine shop do the axles. I have to stick with an 8 inch rear, as I want to keep the gears that the Pinto already has in it. Plenty for a wimpy 2.3l, but if I ever get to do a Cleveland then it will be a 9 inch rear for sure.
Last 8 inch rear I bought cost me a whole $20, complete. About 10 years ago in Ohio from a fellow Mustang forum guy. He just wanted it out of his basement. That one was going to be for the 79 Pinto I had in Akron. sigh.

I've also got to get the Mustang stripped and gone. Dodged a bullet earlier this month, got dinged for weeds (most of the neighborhood did as well). Inspector talked to me, told me he wasn't going to write up the Pinto but it needed to be covered. So I got it covered. I think he thought the Mustang was registered since it still has plates on it, with expired tags. Still trying to decide how much I want to take off. I want to take the gas door and the e-brake handle mounting area on the tunnel. Along with the wiring and engine/trans. But not sure about cutting the body and then being able to get someone to take it away. The e-brake handle stuff would be for the Ranchero since I am going to put the e-brake on the tunnel. The gas door would be for the Pinto. That would go good with the shaved doors and frenched antenna. We'll see. I can always get one from a pull a apart, just hate paying for something I could have had for free.  :(

Thanks,
Russ

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Yeah, if I had the extra money and a place to store it I would get it just in case. But right now I don't.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on September 04, 2018, 03:11:11 AM
Hmmm, this would be interesting.
And I'd get my 5x4.5 lug pattern, and disk brakes.
https://tucson.craigslist.org/pts/d/hot-rod-irs-gs300-price-drop/6658400876.html
Seriously, more work than I could probably do, but it would be fun.
Thanks,
Russ

And not a bad price either, all things considered! :)

Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Hmmm, this would be interesting.
And I'd get my 5x4.5 lug pattern, and disk brakes.
https://tucson.craigslist.org/pts/d/hot-rod-irs-gs300-price-drop/6658400876.html
Seriously, more work than I could probably do, but it would be fun.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Yeah, I've been burned way too many times waiting to buy something only to have it no longer be available when I need it.

I'm always mentally working on it. Just not doing so well on the physical side of things. But it has got to start cooling off here in another month-6weeks, so I am trying to get myself ready for when it does.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on September 02, 2018, 11:33:07 PM
I just spent a little money (ok, very little) for the future of the Pinto. And possibly other cars.
https://www.rodplans.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1273&Itemid=661
Tilt front end plans. How to do the hinges and some other information.
Cost $10.64 with shipping.
I've been doing lots of searching on how to do this and finally came across this.
Will I ever do it, probably. Soon, probably not. But who knows.

Thanks,
Russ

Even if it's not going to happen anytime soon, it makes sense to latch on to the plans while they're available.  Glad to know you're working on your project!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

I just spent a little money (ok, very little) for the future of the Pinto. And possibly other cars.
https://www.rodplans.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1273&Itemid=661
Tilt front end plans. How to do the hinges and some other information.
Cost $10.64 with shipping.
I've been doing lots of searching on how to do this and finally came across this.
Will I ever do it, probably. Soon, probably not. But who knows.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Was just outside starting to strip the Mustang. Came to a big conclusion. I am not going to try to put the SN95 power bucket seats in the Pinto. For starters, if you don't have power you can't move them. And they weigh a ton.
Not sure what I will do, maybe have the 74's seats redone, or find some cheap buckets for now.
I got the console partially ready to come out. Since I couldn't move the seats they have to come out. I got the driver side out, but ran out of energy and light before starting on the passenger side. Not sure if I want to try to use this console in the Pinto, but it needs to come out anyway to pull the dash. Dash needs to come out to pull the harness. I want the harness for sure. It's like those gag box gifts where you open the first box, then there is a slightly smaller one, etc.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

fordpower

Just started back on my pinto. My ranchero 79 is far from started. Trying to build a cover over it right now.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on August 21, 2018, 05:51:43 AM


I have so much money into the Ranchero I have to do it right. Not so much with the Pinto. If that makes any sense.



It makes perfect sense to me, Russ.  Take your time and do it right; you won't regret it!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

It will get finished, at some point. There are many reasons I can't do it right now. Main one being the Pinto is in the driveway visible to the zoning people and I have nowhere else to put it. So it really needs to get on the road fast.
I'm still making decisions on what I want to do with different parts of the Ranchero. And I am not ready nor able to start cutting and welding the floor. I don't even have the driver's front section yet. And I don't want to rush that part. Could I put the front suspension on it and ignore the rusted out floors? In the past I could have, but not now. I'm not going to slap it together just to have to take it apart again to do it right later on. And I am really paranoid about not welding the floors right and having them fall off.

I have close to everything I need for the Pinto. It won't be exactly what I want, but it is what I need right now. Do I really need a 351C in it? Not now, for sure. Maybe I will get tired of the 4banger real quickly, but that is what the Ranchero is for.

I have so much money into the Ranchero I have to do it right. Not so much with the Pinto. If that makes any sense.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

fordpower


russosborne

Well, sort of progress.
I have been watching videos of how to remove stuff like the dash and console from the Mustang. The people doing it had a cordless drill/driver. So I think to myself that would make things a lot easier and quicker.
So today I went and bought one. Had to go to PepBoys, so my options were limited. I really wanted a 24 volt one to match my cordless impact driver, but no dice. So I got an 18 volt nicad one. The only lithium ion they had was a 12 volt. I have heard that higher voltage is better, so I can deal with a longer charge time.
Also bought a set of bits and sockets that will fit, and an extension bar. And adapters to put "real" sockets on it.  8)
Charging the battery as I type this. Hoping to get out to the Mustang later today and try it out.  :-\

The console will be the first to go. I may use part of it in the Pinto, or I may use the Mustang II one I bought for the 74, or I may combine them. I really like the Fox Mustang front half of the console, but the back end not so much. Plus the ebrake slot is offset on those, and the Pinto is right in the middle.

Then the dash and computer. I want the fuse box and harness off the dash, in fact I plan on using the entire Mustang harness. Should be a pretty good fit. So that is why the dash needs to come off. Plus I may try to use the ac/heater box and controls from the Mustang, not sure if that will work but I have the stuff so I might as well try at least. If not I can always sell it later on. I will be using the engine compartment ac stuff for sure. Might have to replace some or all of it though, the Mustang didn't have an ac drive belt when I bought it so I am pretty sure something is bad on it.  :o

I would like to take the SN95 Mustang power buckets out and try to use them, but they might be toast. The Mustang doesn't have a driver's window so at least the driver's seat has gotten wet. The 74 seats have been sitting outside in the weather for like almost 4 years, so they are toast (although they were needing redone anyway before I did that). Worst case I buy a different pair of seats down the road.  :-\

Debating on trying to adapt the Mustang gas tank. The Pinto has it's original tank, and I have the fuel cell. But neither of those are setup for EFI. But the Mustang tank fills on the right, and the Pinto is on the left. And the fuel cell is neither for the moment. The fuel cell is a gallon or two bigger than the Pinto tank, and has a rear sump with AN fittings already. But then I would have to go with an external fuel pump. I need to look into that. I'm sure it can be done, just not sure if that is the way to go for me. Although with a full cage, the fuel cell just screams "Use ME!!!!!"  ;D

Obviously I'm taking the engine and transmission and electrical. Even if I want to go T5, which I really do, until I get one I have to hedge my bets.
Radiator (for now at least). Exhaust. Not a perfect fit, but at least something to start with, and I did buy a new converter for it, which the 79 will have to have here for emissions.

Not sure what else.

I am thinking about cutting our the fuel filler door area. That would be a nice touch on the Pinto. I want to take the ebrake handle and cut the trans tunnel where it mounts, for the Ranchero. Maybe. I might just take the handle. Depends how energetic I am at that time.

Thinking about the hood release cable/handle. That would be another thing I'd like to put on the Pinto. Maybe. I may just eliminate the hood latch all together and use locking hood pins. Debating going fiberglass up front. Not right away for sure, but eventually. I've always been in love with a one piece tilt front end, and that would be perfect for this car. Can't find one, so I would have to make it. I may do it with the steel parts, just for fun, until I can afford fiberglass. Steel would be easier for me to work with, never done fiberglass at all. But that is just a dream at this point anyway.

But first thing is to get the Mustang stripped and then gone, and then get the cage and other inside stuff stripped (surface rust) and painted.

Anyone want to come help? ;D ::)

Thanks,
Russ



In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Quote from: russosborne on August 17, 2018, 02:04:02 AM
Maybe my higher dose of anti depressants are working, but I have actually been looking at online videos of how to tear the Mustang apart. Thinking maybe if I just do even 15 minutes at a time, sooner or later it will get done.
I do like to tear things apart. Sometimes too much.
Thanks,
Russ
Sometimes things progress in baby steps and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Progress is progress!
Go to it Russ!!!

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Maybe my higher dose of anti depressants are working, but I have actually been looking at online videos of how to tear the Mustang apart. Thinking maybe if I just do even 15 minutes at a time, sooner or later it will get done.
I do like to tear things apart. Sometimes too much.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Thanks.

I bought the 79 in Tucson, actually.

As far as the 74, basket case would be an upgrade. Car is stripped, no suspension, no drivetrain, no interior. Driver's side front frame rail has been cut and replaced. I have a thread here about that car if you are really really bored. I do have an 8inch Pinto rear for it, but it needs new springs as well as all new front suspension.
I keep going back and forth on what to do with it. But unless you want to start with just a shell and some parts it probably isn't what you are hoping for.

ETA, just saw that someone here in Phoenix just posted a 75 Bobcat Cruise Wagon for sale here in the classifieds.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

douglasskemp

Hi there to a fellow Arizonan. I'm in Tucson, so not too far from you. If you ever need an extra hand or just someone to talk Pinto to, my brother and I are just down the 10. Also, in your "signature" you mention a 1974 wagon that you are looking to unload, do you still have it and is it usable or a basket case? If it can be resurrected without a whole lot of effort, I might be interested in it. I've been on the search for a big bumper wagon. Thanks!
--Doug
The Pinto I had I gave to my brother. The car was originally my mom's, (78 red Pinto sedan with a 2.3 and a 4spd.) I am originally from Tucson, AZ but moved to Oxnard CA :D
I'm looking for a Pinto wagon with an automatic.

dga57

Hey Russ!


Glad to hear from you!  Well, you certainly have your priorities straight; fix the daily driver first and then work on the fun cars later.  I can't even imagine trying to deal with a car with no air conditioning in Arizona!  The Pinto should make a nice Autumn project.  Thanks for the update!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Wow. Didn't realise it has been 3 months.
And no, I have not done anything. Been having to spend some money and time on my Subaru. AC went out, not fun here in Phoenix. Tried to make it without, lasted about 2 months. New compressor. Then just did the battery last Saturday before it totally died and stranded us somewhere. Still need to do belts, struts, and brakes. Belts are the most urgent. Turns out on the Subaru the AC belt is a stretch fit and you have  to have a special tool. So I got one and the AC belt. But I didn't realise that this has 2 belts. So I need to get the other one and get this done. Guy who did the compressor REALLY suggested that I do it as soon as I can. Wish I had known, it would have been simple to just buy the belts and have him do them when he did the compressor. Oh, well. I didn't even think about it needing belts. It's only 8 years old. Dumb me.

But, I am mentally doing some stuff. I just realised on the way home tonight I can do the JoeBob bumper tuck. Might look into getting the aluminum bumpers. Still kind of wanting to put the early front end and small bumpers on it, but maybe I should just be proud of the 79 and not try to make it something else.

I'm really flip flopping about the engine. Sometimes I look at the Ranchero and just see a donor vehicle. But I know in the long run I would be very unhappy with myself if I did that. But it sure is tempting at times. Haven't had any zoning problems yet with the Mustang, really hoping I can hold on to it until it cools off some here (late October) and then pull the engine and stuff.

Working lots of overtime. Have to get caught up on rent due to the Subaru, and then hoping I can spend some money on fun car stuff. I really want to put a T5 in it if I use the Mustang 2.3L.

I am really hoping to have this at least together enough to run by the end of the year. On the road by say Feb. It is kind of sad, but when I think/dream about driving one of these cars, it is the Pinto. I'm not giving up on the Ranchero, but it isn't going to be right away. Having to replace the floor is just scaring me I guess. Thinking if I can get the Pinto going I will get some of my confidence back for doing this stuff.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I should know better.
Day 3 of my 5 day vacation and I have done NOTHING.
Well, nothing other than sit on my butt.
Problem is I get wobbly when I stand up for very long. Not a good thing.
I keep thinking that  tomorrow will be the day I get out there, and it doesn't happen.
Maybe I really am too old/out of shape for this stuff anymore.
I was telling my wife the other day that in the past when I had a chance to take something apart like a car there would be no stopping me. But now it just isn't happening.

Got to at least try to get the Pinto covered with the tarp I bought before it rains seeing as it has no windshield.

Russ  :-[ :-[ :-[
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Thanks.
It was a learning experience for sure. Next time I might be tempted to just call the landlord. But since it's my brother I try to avoid that for little things.

Back to the Pinto. For some reason I have just not had any real interest in going out and messing with it. Got to try to get it tarped up tomorrow. Have the tarp even, just need to do it. Maybe during my upcoming vacation. Although there is so much I need to do then already.

Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

1972 Wagon

Be glad that there is a Home Depot near you! The closest one to us is just over 30 miles away. We live ten miles from two rural towns and each has a hardware store. Unfortunately, both close at 6:00 on weeknights and earlier on the weekend. Having had the misfortune of discovering, when the stores were already closed of course, broken PVC lines due to weather, horses rubbing against faucets, etc., we learned to stockpile many sizes and fittings for PVC pipe. Even though we keep a new, unopened can of PVC cement, it always seems to have gotten hard. Just think though, if someone else has a non-sliding glass door, you know how to repair it!
*The Original Family Car: A 1972 Pinto Wagon*
Ordered by my folks from Bunnell Motor Company, Inc., Bunnell, Florida
Delivered: June 20, 1972
Entrusted to my care: August 1976

russosborne

We'll see.

I am taking the week of May 7-11 off from work (vacation time) to try and get the Mustang stripped and gone. Need to do some around the house stuff as well. It'll only be around 100 degrees out then. sigh. Seems I always manage to time this outside stuff just right.

Haven't done anything with the Pinto yet other than putting more parts in storage. Feel free to ignore the following story of what I did do this past weekend. Not even car related.

This past weekend I had to fix a patio door (sliding glass door) that didn't want to slide. Typical for me, it took about 2 days. Part of the problem was starting on it later at night when everything is about to close. I had thought I could just go buy new assemblies, but turns out there are several of them available. Trip one to HD Saturday evening.  Then I had to grind the heads of a couple of screws that hold the roller assemblies on to get them off so I could take one and match it up. Trip 2 to HD Sunday late afternoon as it was too late to run the grinder Saturday night. Then it turns out the new ones didn't come with those screws, so Trip three to HD just before they closed, but my guessing on the screw size didn't work. Couldn't do a test fit, all the screws in the size range I needed were in packages. Which meant I had to wait for the next day before work to run to a hardware store. Three trips to Home Depot, and one to True Value.
Got it all together Monday night after work (think midnight) amazingly, had the frame half apart. Works nice for about half the travel, and then sticks. Haven't had a chance to really look at it yet to figure out what is going on. Door never has worked right in the 4 years we've lived here, it is working better now than it has at least.
At least now I know how to change the rollers on a patio door if I ever need to do it again.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

dga57

Well, it's obviously a project... but I don't see anything laughable.  You can do this Russ!!!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

russosborne

Last for now.
Go ahead and laugh.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

2nd set.
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

I still haven't taken any new pictures, but these are from the day I looked at it in Tucson.
Hope they come out ok.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

russosborne

Yeah. More like a week or two. Only doing anything with it on the weekends. Got the Subaru filled with wife's ex's stuff from storage. Didn't make it to Goodwill in time Sunday. Going to try to do it on the way to work tomorrow, only a half mile out of the way.
Still got two totes of stuff sitting on the driveway, those need to go to storage asap. Then I can start pulling stuff out from inside the car.

What I really need to do is to just tarp the car and not touch it until the Ranchero is back on the road. But I know myself better than that.

Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.