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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1971 Pinto help!

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The Whistler

Fox body throttle cable works fine. As for a Honda radiator you be the test subject! Let us know how it works!
Turbo is a way of life

Rawdawg510

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on August 13, 2017, 11:30:42 PM
Both of those are too short.

My clutch cable is a stock one for a '74+ Pinto.

Just today I wrapped-up installing a similar '65-66 Mustang radiator in my '72 and yeah, didn't fit without a lot of work. If the engine was 2" further back (rubbing the firewall), it actually would have bolted in.


I was asking for a throttle cable I have a clutch cable already. thanks. has any one tried using a Honda radiator? they are really small and some Hondas have huge turbos and are built to runs low tens. will this cool down a 2.3??
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dick1172762

I believe he was talking about a throttle cable and not the clutch cable.
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65ShelbyClone

Both of those are too short.

My clutch cable is a stock one for a '74+ Pinto.

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 08, 2017, 11:30:51 AM
The maverick radiator will be too wide for your car without mods.

Just today I wrapped-up installing a similar '65-66 Mustang radiator in my '72 and yeah, didn't fit without a lot of work. If the engine was 2" further back (rubbing the firewall), it actually would have bolted in.
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Rawdawg510

Quote from: Rawdawg510 on August 07, 2017, 12:44:13 PM
I have gone to my local parts store and they came up with 2 cable options.

PART# CA8449 (23.19 in) and PART# CA8451 (31.5 in) do you know which one of these is the one I need? or does the length not matter?

does any one know wich cable im looking for?
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dick1172762

A V-8 maverick / mustang radiator is what I had in my 79 Pinto race car. Bottom hose was on the drivers side and as such I had to use tubing and two hose's to get to the pass side. Crude but it worked just fine. The maverick radiator will be too wide for your car without mods.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Rawdawg510

as I mentioned before the engine mounts were placed before I owned the car. I will be using the V belts until I can find a single belt pulley for the crank. your install is super clean. I have a maverick Radiator do you think that would fit my pinto with little modifications?
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Wittsend

I used the serpentine belt directly from my '88 Turbo coupe in my '73 wagon. It is very close and may depend on how far back the engine is. The radiator is a 20" Pinto adapted to the 17" early Pinto cradle. The fan is a front mount pusher and the alternator is on a home made bracket affixed on the drivers side.

Rawdawg510

the crank pulley that I have is for two belts. one was for the Crank/power steering/alternator, while the other one was for air conditioning and something else I forgot, I have to look at it when I get home.
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The Whistler

I do not know what  the crank pulley you have came off of. I can tell you that the T- bird crank pulley is single belt serpentine and it works fine. That is what I have on my car. I know the water pump pulley is double and the V- belt pulley has roughly the same clearance. I have about 3/8" clearance between radiator and water pump pulley. there is no difference in clearance between the two types.
Turbo is a way of life

Rawdawg510

Quote from: dick1172762 on August 06, 2017, 04:10:40 PM
I believe I've seen where a 84 2300 mustang would work.

I have gone to my local parts store and they came up with 2 cable options.

PART# CA8449 (23.19 in) and PART# CA8451 (31.5 in) do you know which one of these is the one I need? or does the length not matter?
1965 Ford falcon
1971 Ford Maverick
1971 Ford Pinto
2017 Ford Fusion Sport

Rawdawg510

Quote from: The Whistler on August 07, 2017, 03:33:12 AM
But excuse me. I did not know the serpentine belt caused clearance issues. Funny because a serpentine belt is on my 72 and I had V belts first and for the past 15 years it's had a serpentine belt with the Pinto Alternator brackets. So please tell me or show me the problem I would like to know.

some one has already installed the motor mounts prior to me so I don't have the option to move the engine around or further back. I really want to get it together and drivable so I don't have to keep pushing it around the house. the serpentine crank pulley has 2 belts so it sticks out further and i'm afraid its to close for comfort. I do like the serpentine set up, looks so much better, maybe in the near future I would get it
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dick1172762

Since a 2300 in a 71/73 Pinto is an engine swap and motor mounts are necessary + welding, engine location can vary by inches. With the valve cover very near the firewall, there should be room for the serpentine belt.
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The Whistler

Quote from: Rawdawg510 on August 04, 2017, 03:24:56 PM
thanks for the info guys I looked at the alternator and they are roughly the same holes and size so I don't think it would be a problem. I like the serpentine setup as well but from what its looking like the v belts are my only option as of now there is no room between the radiator and the water pump/ crank pulley. the 71's are so tiny.  >:(

another question, what is the quickest throttle cable solution? I'm not there yet but I would like to be prepared for when I am ready to swap the engine.

Any info on a turbo kit, is it easy to rebuild a turbo? there is very little play but I'm afraid of installing it and it blows. I would rather replace it now that its out.

But excuse me. I did not know the serpentine belt caused clearance issues. Funny because a serpentine belt is on my 72 and I had V belts first and for the past 15 years it's had a serpentine belt with the Pinto Alternator brackets. So please tell me or show me the problem I would like to know.
Turbo is a way of life

dick1172762

I believe I've seen where a 84 2300 mustang would work.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Rawdawg510

thanks for the info guys I looked at the alternator and they are roughly the same holes and size so I don't think it would be a problem. I like the serpentine setup as well but from what its looking like the v belts are my only option as of now there is no room between the radiator and the water pump/ crank pulley. the 71's are so tiny.  >:(

another question, what is the quickest throttle cable solution? I'm not there yet but I would like to be prepared for when I am ready to swap the engine.

Any info on a turbo kit, is it easy to rebuild a turbo? there is very little play but I'm afraid of installing it and it blows. I would rather replace it now that its out.
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1971 Ford Maverick
1971 Ford Pinto
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dick1172762

I used a Merkur air condition mount to place a 3g on the pass side out of the way.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

robertwwithee

Alternator pulleys interchange.  I swapped original one to a 3g.  Remove with air hammer

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The Whistler

You can use any Alternator you like. Provided you have the skills needed to install it! I used the Pinto Brackets with a Ford 6G Alternator. I kept the serpentine belt it is more efficient than a V belt! Note I used the low mount Pinto Alternator brackets.
Turbo is a way of life

Rawdawg510

i just ordered the ron francis wiring harness but i am wondering if i could use the TC alternator on the pinto brackets as i dont need P/S or AC. i would like to install the V belts. has anyone used the ron francis wire harness? is using the 85 alternator possible with these brackets.

also is there a header that moves the turbo forward a bit to where i dont have to bash in the apron too much. i would like to get a slightly bigger turbo. any body has one for sale or know of a good ebay kit for the pinto? cleaning the engine up and rebuilding it i noticed that it has some play. :-\

P.S. i have installed the clutch pedal super easy lol, and rebuilt the 2.3t. so close yet so far :)
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robertwwithee

Double hole tranny mount will accept a fox body polyurethane mount too.

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pinto_one

The trans mount on the car now should bolt up to the T5 , they made two crossover trans mounts that bolt to the car , the one is the single hole which you have in the photo, the other is a pair of holes side by side , but both will bolt in all pintos , 71 to 80' look under your car to see if you have the one ot two hole mount , if you have the two hole you can use a V6 Pinto mount , yes it will bolt to the T5 ,and your stock speedometer cable will also ,look under member gallery under pinto_one  and you will see my mount , it's the stock C4 mount double holes
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Rawdawg510

What about the camaro t5 mount will that work for the crossmember I have? I thinks those are single center stud and I only have to oblong the hole on the crossmember.
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pinto_one

Ok , what you have there is more than enough to change over , the center bracket that hold the clutch and brake pedal is the same in your car now , you have the worlds fastest change over , ten minutes or less , pull the clip on the right , slide the clutch pedal to the left , when it come out the brake pedal will fall out to , on your car you remove the spring clip the holds the brake switch and master cylinder rod to the brake pedal, then remove the clip to the right , pull the huge pin out , (clutch has pin made on it ) the old pedal will fall out , put new brake arm in place , slide clutch arm in , install clips and spring clip , the clutch cable snaps in hole on fire wall , install "U" shaped bracket on cable , hook the other end of bracket to top of clutch arm , Done , save all of the old parts in case one day you want to go back to auto transmission,

76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Rawdawg510

it is an automatic but I have the t5 with the 2.3t swap.
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pinto_one

Yes you do have a 2.3 in the car , looks like a good clean install , the radiator is not pinto but fits well , is your car an automatic  now , if it is you may want to keep it , if its a C4 ,  look up Joe Morgans pinto , gives you , the idea . nice pinto , the early ones are my favorite
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Rawdawg510

here is the Engine
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Rawdawg510

here are some pictures.
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pinto_one

done the use the vent line as a return , done it a few times over the years , yes there is an orifice but the good news its in the fitting on top of the tank the vent line hooks to , its also a check valve in case of roll over and over filling , on the ones i have done i made a tube that ran to the back of the inside fender and made a loop to keep anything from getting in but still vent , my last turbo pinto I built I made a slight mod to the exhaust manifold , I removed it and used my bridgeport (had one at that time )  to angle mill the manifold to bring in the rear of the turbo towards the engine , to clear the airconditioning parts , think it was around 1/2 cut on the forward face and over 3/4 on the rear , then opened up the inside to blend in the turbo inlet , look though the site at other turbos conversions for you R&D   ( I call it ROB and DUPLICATE ) and pick what looks best for you , but since you said you have a car that someone before you has converted it 2.3 makes it much easier , post some photos to us to make sure , most if not all pinto people here can be blindfolded and touch your engine and tell you which one you have , yep we are that good ,  8)   have a good one , later Blaine
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oldkayaker

I have not tried this and the below is from vague memory of what I have read.  The vent line can be used as a return providing stock fuel pump flow, suspect small size of vent line would be inadequate for larger pumps.  You would have to re-plumb the tank for return entry and to create a replacement vent.  There may be a orifice in the vent line somewhere that would have to removed/bypassed (really vague memory of this).
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