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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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74 PintoWagon

Can't get any simpler and pretty much fool proof..
Art
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r4pinto

Been using that set up on my 77 for years. Never replaced the bad neutral safety switch. The car always started up with the button.
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: pintobeans1267 on August 05, 2016, 02:47:27 PM
At this point i think a push button start is going to do justice, ive just got no clue where to hook up the two wires for the push button
From the "S" pole on the solenoid to a push button to the +battery cable.
Art
65 Falcon 2DR 200 IL6 with C4.

r4pinto

Quote from: blupinto on July 30, 2016, 10:59:19 PM
As someone who has been battling an unhappy '74 wagon, I can relate to the starting issues, and I agree with 74Pinto Wagon... check the grounds, and don't be surprised if you have an iffy starter. Moxie BluBelle had both issues. Because I was initially in denial that it could possibly be a starter (But it was rebuilt just two years ago!!!), I fouled up the carburetor settings just so I could get home from my Dad's! Not only was the starter bad, but the alternator was dead, the grounds were incomplete, and the starter (yes that rebuilt-just-two-years-ago starter)was toast. Everything was fixed and/or replaced... now I need to brush up on my carburetor skills...

In that case come and take care of my carburetor. Lord knows if the one from my 1980 is ok after the fire & the 77 was a slug ;D ;D
Matt Manter
1977 Pinto sedan- Named Harold II after the first Pinto(Harold) owned by my mom. R.I.P mom- 1980 parts provider & money machine for anything that won't fit the 80
1980 Pinto Runabout- work in progress

pintobeans1267

Quote from: blupinto on July 30, 2016, 10:59:19 PM
As someone who has been battling an unhappy '74 wagon, I can relate to the starting issues, and I agree with 74Pinto Wagon... check the grounds, and don't be surprised if you have an iffy starter. Moxie BluBelle had both issues. Because I was initially in denial that it could possibly be a starter (But it was rebuilt just two years ago!!!), I fouled up the carburetor settings just so I could get home from my Dad's! Not only was the starter bad, but the alternator was dead, the grounds were incomplete, and the starter (yes that rebuilt-just-two-years-ago starter)was toast. Everything was fixed and/or replaced... now I need to brush up on my carburetor skills...
At this point i think a push button start is going to do justice, ive just got no clue where to hook up the two wires for the push button
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

blupinto

As someone who has been battling an unhappy '74 wagon, I can relate to the starting issues, and I agree with 74Pinto Wagon... check the grounds, and don't be surprised if you have an iffy starter. Moxie BluBelle had both issues. Because I was initially in denial that it could possibly be a starter (But it was rebuilt just two years ago!!!), I fouled up the carburetor settings just so I could get home from my Dad's! Not only was the starter bad, but the alternator was dead, the grounds were incomplete, and the starter (yes that rebuilt-just-two-years-ago starter)was toast. Everything was fixed and/or replaced... now I need to brush up on my carburetor skills...

One can never have too many Pintos!

74 PintoWagon

First thing, check all grounds..
Art
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dga57

Quote from: pintobeans1267 on July 28, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
  Ive never seen someone so sensitive to typed words before. My bad its a really cool site youve got here and its cool to feel part of the best time in automotive history
Quote from: pintobeans1267 on July 28, 2016, 02:24:06 PM
On another note is there a common issue of battery levels dropping past 11v after a few (3) times firing up, leaving the car too dead to turn over?

I'll take that first quote as both an apology and a compliment.  I think we have a really cool site too, and we're just trying to keep it that way.  As to your question, there is no known issue that I'm aware of, but I'm not of a mechanical nature.  I was wondering... have you checked the ignition switch to make sure it isn't the problem? 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintobeans1267

Quote from: dga57 on July 28, 2016, 01:55:29 AM
pintobeans1267,


As a group, the PCCA is always happy to welcome new, young blood and we most assuredly support your interest in Ford Pintos.  We do however, have certain standards we try to maintain... mainly to keep this site "family friendly" and non-offensive.  To that end, I deleted the offensive words from your initial post.  Also, while we admittedly sometimes have spirited disagreements and discussions, they are generally handled with a little class.  Verbally attacking an elder long-time member is not an advised method of making friends here, nor obtaining the assistance you are requesting.


I am a strong believer in second chances so please consider this a friendly reminder to watch your language; you'll find your time here much more pleasant if you do. 


dga57
Chief Moderator/Administrator
On another note is there a common issue of battery levels dropping past 11v after a few (3) times firing up, leaving the car too dead to turn over?
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

pintobeans1267

Quote from: dga57 on July 28, 2016, 01:55:29 AM
pintobeans1267,


As a group, the PCCA is always happy to welcome new, young blood and we most assuredly support your interest in Ford Pintos.  We do however, have certain standards we try to maintain... mainly to keep this site "family friendly" and non-offensive.  To that end, I deleted the offensive words from your initial post.  Also, while we admittedly sometimes have spirited disagreements and discussions, they are generally handled with a little class.  Verbally attacking an elder long-time member is not an advised method of making friends here, nor obtaining the assistance you are requesting.


I am a strong believer in second chances so please consider this a friendly reminder to watch your language; you'll find your time here much more pleasant if you do. 


dga57
Chief Moderator/Administrator
Ive never seen someone so sensitive to typed words before. My bad its a really cool site youve got here and its cool to feel part of the best time in automotive history
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

dga57

pintobeans1267,


As a group, the PCCA is always happy to welcome new, young blood and we most assuredly support your interest in Ford Pintos.  We do however, have certain standards we try to maintain... mainly to keep this site "family friendly" and non-offensive.  To that end, I deleted the offensive words from your initial post.  Also, while we admittedly sometimes have spirited disagreements and discussions, they are generally handled with a little class.  Verbally attacking an elder long-time member is not an advised method of making friends here, nor obtaining the assistance you are requesting.


I am a strong believer in second chances so please consider this a friendly reminder to watch your language; you'll find your time here much more pleasant if you do. 


dga57
Chief Moderator/Administrator
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

pintobeans1267

Quote from: pintobeans1267 on July 27, 2016, 09:42:49 PM
Spent all day sitting in the heat and charging for a few hours and fired right up around 4:00 pm. sat idle and purred like a dream, made sure to fire off the horn a few times for the neighbors. Shall report how the planned evening drive goes as temperature has played a role in starting in the past. my pinto seems to like the heat. Perhaps certain metal parts or springs in the ignition lock cylinder or starter motor move more freely in the heat?
- 9:00PM - Stalled and just buzzed at the first attempt to crank over, jiggled the keys back and forth a few times pumped the gas and it fired right up. Left the car idle for about ten minutes then killed power. Turned the keys over it started and I was relieved thinking it wouldn't buzz anymore, but sure enough i killed the power to see if it would start again and not even a crank. just a loud buzz from the starter and after checking power something from that experience left my battery too drained to crank, hence the buzz.  On the plus side the starter didnt try to keep cranking over after i let off the key as it likes to do until i unplug the battery, and also no sparks when i took off the terminal! still calling it a win for the day. Plan on charging in the morning and attempting a drive again in the mid day heat which seems to be its preferred time of day to work.
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

pintobeans1267

Spent all day sitting in the heat and charging for a few hours and fired right up around 4:00 pm. sat idle and purred like a dream, made sure to fire off the horn a few times for the neighbors. Shall report how the planned evening drive goes as temperature has played a role in starting in the past. my pinto seems to like the heat. Perhaps certan metal parts or springs in the ignition lock cylinder or starter motor move more freeely in the heat?
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

Wittsend

This first picture solenoid (probably better called a relay - my bad) is from an early Pinto (circled in red). The second picture is a later car (also circled in red). Again no guarantee it is the problem, but it is where people usually check first. Because your problem is intermittent it can be hard to find.  Be careful (and do at your own risk) because problems like this can be dangerous.

If the car is still electrically cranking after it starts then I'd assume the relay.  If the cranking stops but the starter still seems engaged (but not electrically powered) then I'd assume it is the starter drive hanging up. Beyond that I have nothing more to offer.

pintobeans1267

Quote from: Wittsend on July 27, 2016, 01:22:43 PM
There is a starter solenoid Ford uses mounted on the inner fender. It is a round stubby item about 2" long and is square at one end. It has two large and two small wire mounts . It can be found by tracing the positive cable from the battery.  This is the "switch" that carries the high current draw to run the starter. Because of the current draw it can arc and eventually either stick, or not function from corrosion.  While the starter itself can still be defective the solenoid is easier to get to and cheaper to replace. Therefore it is often recommended as the first item to check.

While I happy to assist someone relating to Pinto matters the forum does require appropriate language and not provoking others .  Dick's comments were relating to the casual use of profanity found today and not that he deliberately tuning into hear it.  As a 23 year college instructor I always was confounded that students used the most offensive words in everyday conversation.  It left me to wonder what words they used when they deliberately intended to be offensive???
As far as it goes with Dick, were on the internet in the real world. In both places people swear/curse/ and express inner turmoil, for reasons. They may not be good or bad but there are reasons. In application to this situation, I was writing a paragraph in which I was expressing my situation and emotions attached to described situations in order to give an explanation that, to my best ability is something the reader can visualize, comprehend, and hopefully understand enough to be able to offer assistance. Being a total beginner when it comes to working on cars and having 2 year project restore in the works, not to mention im only a 19 year old highschool dropout, im doing my best to relay and communicate information in a useful manner on somthing that is a "learn as you go/fix it if you fras it up" driven project. Now back to the car issues, is what youre refering to the ignition coil? as far as I know the only solonoid is the one directly off the battery.
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

Wittsend

There is a starter solenoid Ford uses mounted on the inner fender. It is a round stubby item about 2" long and is square at one end. It has two large and two small wire mounts . It can be found by tracing the positive cable from the battery.  This is the "switch" that carries the high current draw to run the starter. Because of the current draw it can arc and eventually either stick, or not function from corrosion.  While the starter itself can still be defective the solenoid is easier to get to and cheaper to replace. Therefore it is often recommended as the first item to check.

While I happy to assist someone relating to Pinto matters the forum does require appropriate language and not provoking others .  Dick's comments were relating to the casual use of profanity found today and not that he deliberately tuning into hear it.  As a 23 year college instructor I always was confounded that students used the most offensive words in everyday conversation.  It left me to wonder what words they used when they deliberately intended to be offensive???

pintobeans1267

Quote from: dick1172762 on July 27, 2016, 11:50:59 AM
With your poor use of X rated words, you should drive a Volvo. Try posting on a Volvo web site in the future. We get enough X rated words off of tv these days.
Lastly, Id also like to point out that its your own fault for subjecting yourself to TV and the internet therefore, you clearly dont mind "X" rated content all to much given the fact that you just said you clearly "get enough of it on the tv", and appear to be the member of a foulmouthed mechanics website. Carry on
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

pintobeans1267

Quote from: dick1172762 on July 27, 2016, 11:50:59 AM
With your poor use of X rated words, you should drive a Volvo. Try posting on a Volvo web site in the future. We get enough X rated words off of tv these days.
Your concern and offence has been noted, thank you.
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"

dick1172762

With your poor use of X rated words, you should drive a Volvo. Try posting on a Volvo web site in the future. We get enough X rated words off of tv these days.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

pintobeans1267

Hello comrades, Today I spent the day trying to manually re-attach each individual wire on the instrument cluster of my 76 beater wagon I I attached wire crimps to the bronze connector strips, cut the plug that fit inside the original cluster back which apparently is made of nothing more than the ashes of Henry Ford himself, and fit wires leading to each other. Not to mention I have just enough of my backing to duct tape my gauges to the cluster itself. Needless to say the shizod barley works I see like 3 lights on and no gauge activity. Anywaays the reason im posting is because I have a confusing starter issue. right now  if I try to turn it over it just buzzes by the starter, but no movement. At times when I turn it over the starter will stick running and turning over as the car is running in which case I disconnect the the battery and call it a day. Then at other times if ive previously tryed to start, failed, and put on a 2 amp charge, the *EXPLETIVE DELETED* thing will spark loudly as soon as the negative battery goes on. As far as I can tell the starter works fine, the main problem is current running to it when it shouldnt. Or A gounding issue but the starter grounds are tight, so im wondering if the key lock cylinder housing having bad ground can cause this as i replaced the key lock cylinder and various other possible things that could be causing a short or bad sticking connection. The weird thing is when ive been messing with it for a few days and the car feels like it itll eventually start up and run strong, but since its a manual I stall constantly which calls for using the key and ignition system and eventually, usually luck runs out and that *EXPLETIVE DELETED* starter starts running with the car again or just plays dead. Go to the store, smoke a joint and bam itll fire up first try as long as you give it to her and thats usually enough to get home.One more possibility is if the spring in the key lock that pushes the ignition rod is worn or somthing causing it to not move all the way after an attempt to crank the car over. Any advice/ input appreciated , fire at will 
"I only drive it if I can sleep in it"