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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

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Wittsend

The spring spans the same (total) distance front to back regardless of whether it is properly placed or reversed.  So, in that regard (total) distance is not a factor.  Now, that said the through bolt on the front of the spring is larger than the rear. So, someone would have to use a smaller than original bolt in the front (not ideal) and would also have a loose fitment in the rear because the through bolt is too small.  So, yes, with sloppy fitment the springs can be installed backwards (and even upside down for that matter). Neither should be done, but it is possible.

There is a rear end locator associated with the spring that is more forward on the spring than rearward. Therefore if the springs had been reversed (and the rear end still aligned with the locator) it would have moved the rear axle backwards and out of the center of the wheel opening.  What I could not tell him was how far back because I have a wagon and the spring length is longer.  Thus if reversed the measurement with a wagon spring would have been different than a non-wagon.

The problem was his rear rend was located too far rearward.  We were trying to determine why.  Thus it was feasible that the spring  being reversed was a possible cause.

mechanic

late comer;

the leaf springs only go in one way the front ends are in line with the bolt and then loop up and around

I do not see how you can reverse them, as was said above, the distances to front and back are not equal

shuffln

Ok fro. The front its roughly 19.5" so the springs are installed correctly

Wittsend

I've got some measurements for you. Though, first a few things need to be clarified.  I have an 8" rearend and I believe the axle tubes are larger that the 6-3/4". Thus, I took measurements from the centerline as that would be common to any straight axle.  I also have a station wagon and the leaf springs are longer.  I'd assume longer only rearward. Thus, I have no accurate rearward measurement for your sedan.

On the forward half of the spring I measured (from standard ride height) the centerline of the axle tube at its top to the center of the bolt holding the front of the leaf spring.  I got 19-1/2". The start point of the centerline was eyeballed as best I could.

  We know that you obviously have the rearend too far back just by visual observation.  I'm still wondering however if your springs are in backwards.  I'd assume that if you measured from your axle centerline (top), to your rear spring bolt on the bottom of the shackle - and got a measurement close to 19-1/2" - that would be indicative of the springs being reversed. Give that a try and report back (because I'm very curious).

shuffln

i've searched under the spring to find the center bolt that catches into the perch but it is very hard to see with the rubber plug.  that said if you look at the rubber stopper for bottoming out it is off center from the axle as well. the rear end sits square on both sides,  the two pics show the difference between the front and back.  the back is about 1/2 inch and the front is about 3" . ive jacked up the car and now need to undo the u bolts and see if i can slide the rear end forward to a more center position. A good soaking of penetrating oil and i should be able to crack them.   i agree it has been like this for a while now and yes the car drives find the way it is. i just need it to be more center so i can move it around from shop to shop before i swap the 8.8 rear end, T5 and 5.0 in. The shop from my house is about 1/2 hour drive.

Wittsend

It is odd that one side is more misaligned than the other. So, not only is it too far back, but it looks crooked too.  Does the car steer straight?  The driveshaft coloration looks like it has been in this condition for a while.

  FYI, it is more that just sliding it straight as there are locators on the springs and receivers on the rearend. So, the rearend needs to be lifted into place. Usually there is a bolt/nut at the hypothetical "mounting" center point (not necessarily truer center) of the spring that can be seen from the bottom.  You might check to see if they bolt/nut seems to align with the center point of the wheel opening. If not it could be the springs are installed backwards.

You will have to determine jackstand placement for yourself.  I highly recommend putting the tires (multiple if you have them) under the car in case it falls off the stands. Again, You can never be too safe.

shuffln

Thats what i was thinking on reposition. The front yoke us about 2-2.5" out from tranny. I never noticed how far out it was until i put the 15" rims on. I also notice the rubber axle stopper/bumper is not centered over axle Out about 1.5-2". Im going to jack up the car placing jackstands( best spot for jsckstands?)and try to slide reat end

Wittsend

When you say "sticking out" is it predominantly silver colored and longer than about an inch (possible pictures)?  First, remember you do everything at your own risk. It is dangerous to crawl under a car much less unbolt the axle which leaves nothing between the floor pan and the ground. Properly supporting the car is paramount.

  That said it should be as simple as pulling the wheels off. Removing the 8 nuts on the U-bolts and moving it forward to the proper position.  There are protrusions and holes and they fit together to locate the axle.  Once properly positioned the U-bolt are re-tightened.   Now, if the spring have been reversed, or are not the proper springs then there is no properly positioning it.  Can you contact the previous owner and ask why the rearend is positioned as it is?

shuffln

So i checked the front yoke and it seems to be sticking out of the transmission so def the rear end is to far back. Next question how do i adjust it back forward? Have an idea on how but dont want to guess

Wittsend

Instead of the title being "Larger Rear Wheels" perhaps a more accurate title would have been, "How's my rearend look?"  ;D   All meant in fun of course.

  Are you currently driving the car with the rearend positioned as it is?  Is the position the same on the other side?  I'd look underneath and see if the driveshaft is close to falling out of the transmission. If it is then you should re-position the axle in its stock location for safety reasons.  If the yoke is the proper depth in the transmission then someone likely used too long of a driveshaft forcing the wheels rearward.  Without the locating aspects aligning there is the risk of it coming loose.  Be safe.

65ShelbyClone

Worry about tire fitment after fixing the rear end position.

Here's what could conceivably fit under there: http://www.theturboforums.com/threads/364549-1979-Ford-Pinto-EFI-5-0L-GT45-Build/page3?p=1971712#post1971712
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

shuffln

no i havent swap rear end yet.  but I was pretty sure the rear end wasn't sitting right.  as far as i know it is the factory 6.75" rear and stock 4 speed manual.  i'm swapping a 5.0, T5 and the 8.8 with 4:10's in there over winter.

Wittsend

The rear axle is seriously out of alignment with the wheel opening.  I'm wondering if someone did a trans swap and the driveshaft is too long? Or, did someone remove the rear end and put it back incorrectly? Are the leaf springs in backwards? If that is the case then there is a risk of the shaft yoke falling out!

Your post #2 is a bit vague, but have you ALREADY swapped in the 8.8? If the axle centerline to yoke centerline is longer than the the previous rearend that can account for forcing the rearend (rearward) out of proper alignment with the wheel opening.  In any case it needs to be put back in its proper place and that would require a proper driveshaft length.

   The clearance issues you have are more to the axle placement than tire size. There are limits to tire size of course but this problem needs to be rectified first.

shuffln

Im switchibg out the rear end to a 8.8. With 4:10 gears

pinto_one

looks like your rear axle is not centered in the middle of the wheel well, might want to check your rubber spring pads , if the hole in them is all split up it will move forward or back wards , what front tire size are you running in front ?? thinking of going to a 205/60/R15 ,
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

shuffln

so i was wondering what everyone is running for rear tires. i'm running 235-60-15's and don't have a lot of room behind the tire. there is only 1/2" before i hit the rear rocker panel but about 3-4 inches in front. Are you moving the rear end closer to center the wheel in the wheel well?  i can't fit a 70 series tire in there without hitting the rear wheel well or a set of tall slicks.