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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

How much interest in a prototype frame?

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dianne

Quote from: dga57 on June 14, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
Unfortunately, that's true.  But I wouldn't change anything I've done in exchange for the money I've lost over the years.  The fun has been well worth the expense. 

Dwayne :)

I agree Dwayne!!! A LOT OF FUN AND LEARNING!!!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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FordMavGirlLori

Quote from: dga57 on June 14, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
Unfortunately, that's true.  But I wouldn't change anything I've done in exchange for the money I've lost over the years.  The fun has been well worth the expense. 

Dwayne :)

Agreed!

dga57

Quote from: dianne on June 14, 2015, 02:53:31 PM
I would suggest you sell it on Craigslist or ebay. I just sold my Maverick, which was in awesome shape for only $2,200. It was a survivor with no rust actually. They don't go for much. That's my 2 cents. We all think we have a great car or project worth a lot of money and they end up being almost next to nothing in some realities.

Good luck with it!

Unfortunately, that's true.  But I wouldn't change anything I've done in exchange for the money I've lost over the years.  The fun has been well worth the expense. 

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

dianne

Quote from: FordMavGirlLori on June 14, 2015, 09:52:01 AM
I really doubt the VIN will tell me anything, honestly. That would be specific to the body, would it not, and I know what that is.

Here it is for those interested. 1970, built in Kansas, 2-door sedan, straight six 200.

I would suggest you sell it on Craigslist or ebay. I just sold my Maverick, which was in awesome shape for only $2,200. It was a survivor with no rust actually. They don't go for much. That's my 2 cents. We all think we have a great car or project worth a lot of money and they end up being almost next to nothing in some realities.

Good luck with it!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

FordMavGirlLori

I really doubt the VIN will tell me anything, honestly. That would be specific to the body, would it not, and I know what that is.

Here it is for those interested. 1970, built in Kansas, 2-door sedan, straight six 200.

dianne

I'm on the forums, well have been, on the Maverick forums. It seems like you have a Maverick with some things that someone played with. If you post the VIN number in that board on the Maverick forums, they can tell you what that car is. Chances are you have a Ford Maverick from what I see. I've had a few of them also.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

FordMavGirlLori

I've been selling some parts there but I have not gotten to the car yet. I have a guy from the forums that asked to come over and sift through the parts and help me identify some things. He will be over some time this week. Eventually I may post the car up there. I may have a family member who wants to buy as well.

dianne

Quote from: FordMavGirlLori on June 13, 2015, 12:50:42 PM
I've had a screen name there for at least ten years.

Just curious what they said on the Maverick forums.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

sedandelivery

Maybe if you look up the vin number through Marti or something you can find out more history...Could be interesting.

FordMavGirlLori

I've had a screen name there for at least ten years.

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FordMavGirlLori

It needs a new torque converter and a carb rebuild and it will run. A little gas in the carburetor makes it turn over and start as of April. The trunk has some rust holes in it and the bottoms of the doors are a little rough but everything else looks pretty solid. It spent some time outside in the weather before I stuck it in the garage. Cosmetically on the interior it needs a new headliner, it has '84 Mustang bucket seats (good condition but some fading) but needs new tracks on the drivers side (that broke while I was driving - not fun), dash and back seat are whole with no cracks. It has air conditioning but not power steering. I will try to remember to update!

pinto_one

Does the car run or can it be easily made to run, and will it clean up, inside and out side ?, does it have A/C or power steering,  since your listed in KY , you are not that far from the coast here , every year here we have crusein the coast and thousands of people head this way for a week of cars , if the car will clean up and run well it would sell, but if rust is holding the car together it's not worth the effort,  you do not know what you got untel you clean it up,  just a few words to help , hope it give you the idea
76 Pinto sedan V6 , 79 pinto cruiser wagon V6 soon to be diesel or 4.0

Wittsend

The value in a car like this Maverick is if it lacks rust.  It is not so much rust like you see on the thicker parts on the pictures you post. Rather it is rust on the thin sheet metal. Buyers will tolerate some rust, but not if it is extensive - especially showing on the rockers (under the doors), the floors and around the windshields. As it relates to the floors it is not only what shows under the car, but they can rot from the inside out, so look under the carpeting.  Also a car considered rusted in the Southwest might not be considered all that bad in the rust belt part of the country. Assuming you are in Michigan it might be considered an OK car there.

Nothing on the car is rare of extreme value. So, I don't see parting it out as worth the effort. Therefore it would hopefully be lacking in significant rust and sold as a whole car.  That said, the thin bumper cars are a lot more desirable than the late,r thicker bumper cars. And a two door car is more valuable than a four door car.  You have the added benefit of the 5 bolt pattern axles and the period correct alloy wheels. So, in that regard you have those  positive aspects going for you.  I'd say the value is broadly in the $1,500-$3,000 range based on not knowing the actual condition.  If you decide to sell it, price it fairly. I've seen $1,000 cars linger year, after year, after year on Craigslist with $4,000 asking prices.

  Now knowing it is basically a Maverick a web site based on that would probably be more helpful. Regardless of what you decide please post back.  I'd be curious to know the final outcome.

FordMavGirlLori

Your commentary and observations are extremely helpful because, again, I barely know what i'm looking at. I would have just gone on believing what I was told by the Uncle. The internet is great for things like this. In the notes it says a heavy duty front suspension was installed in 1992. It also says 'installed orig alum wheels (mav option)' and 'installed 2.33 to rear axle'. I have no indications here as to why the 5 lugs are on it other than the fact that the axles are different so it's safe to assume he messed with the whole damn thing. This one did ride a whole lot nicer than the other I had driven for a while that was on those 4 lug wheels and all original parts. You were right in assuming it is a 6 cyl. Now I just want you to come here and tell me what else i'm missing! I almost think that if it's not as special as I was told then maybe I can part with it a little easier. I'm also wondering if it's better to sell it whole or part it out, that is, if I can stop loving what the giant pile of scrap once was. The only person that can tell me why and how with any certainty died in July of 2002.

Wittsend

Thank you. From what I can see it is a stock Maverick front suspension. It does not have the Pinto rack & pinion setup.  The wheel bolt pattern is 5 X 4.5" which is also standard for the Maverick V-8 (Mustang, Comet... many more). The Pinto had  4 X 4.25" bolt pattern. Basically this is indicative of the rear end not being Pinto either.

Both the Pinto and the Maverick are "unibody" cars. They essentially have no removable frame.  Thus there can not be a frame swap because each unibody is specific to the car length, width, wheel base and other various aspects are all weld into one unit.

So, it leaves a question mark as to what is specifically Pinto (prototype) on the car. You state the engine is not and the pictures indicate that the front and rear suspension aren't. The unibody aspects (and visible suspension) of the cars eliminate a frame swap.  My guess would be that the car might have been a test bed for a higher stall torque convertor eventually destine for a Pinto (that would be logical). But, beyond that everything else is looking stock Maverick.

I will note that the early Mavericks (1970) seemed to only come with 6 cylinder motors and 4 X 4.5" bolt pattern.  Your car is showing the 5 X 4.5" bolt pattern. So, that is unique I believe (at least for a 1970 car).  I'm assuming your car is a 1970 model based on the work done in the driveway in 1969.  You never stated what engine the car has but the exhaust indicates 6 cylinder to me.

   Certainly a mystery here for sure in two areas.  What parts (other than the stated torque convertor) are Pinto because everything else is indicating 6 cylinder Maverick, and why the 5 X 4.5" bolt pattern on an early 6 cylinder car???

FordMavGirlLori

Some notes but not the ones we need.

FordMavGirlLori

I snapped a few photos. Sounds like you're going to know better than I am and any extra info you can give me after you've looked will be much appreciated. I know just enough to get myself in trouble but not enough to know what i'm looking at for sure. I have some documentation, I may be able to find more but I think it's probably long gone. What I do have is the Uncle who helped him put it together.

Wittsend

Thank you for the clarification. When you say "everything underneath" does it have the Pinto crosmember/front suspension with the steering rack instead of a steering box?  I'd assume the C-4 transmissions are similar Maverick/Pinto except as you noted a higher stall speed convertor.  The rear end..., is it the Pinto 6-3/4" rear installed in the Maverick?  This would have the 4-1/4" (Pinto) instead of the 4-1/2" (Maverick) bolt pattern.

I'd be inclined to think that others as well as myself would be very interest to see pictures of this one-off hybrid.  If you have documentation there could be a battle between Maverick-Pinto people as to which group is more closely related to this car you have.

A side note on prototypes: In my Sunbeam Tiger world there are two prototypes. One quickly hacked together by Ken Miles. The other modified at Shelby's by George Boskoff.  Both are revered for their historical value.  Both were production Apline's altered to accept the Ford small block. Ironically (other than the prototypes) you NEVER try and pass off an Alpine with a small block Ford added as a real Tiger.  The Tiger people go nuts.

  Anyway, you may have a valuable piece of history - if documented. So, factor that in your decision. We would love to see the front suspension, the wheel bolt pattern and anything else distinctly Pinto on the Maverick.  I wonder if this would be "too" early Pinto for Pintony knowing his affection for the early cars.

FordMavGirlLori

The Maverick pieces are the engine and the shell/body. The Pinto pieces are everything underneath. The Pinto portion was made by the experimental shop guys and then assembled in the driveway at the house. I apologize for confusing you, sometimes it confuses me too. Hopefully that is a little better explanation.

dick1172762

Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

Wittsend

"The little Maverick in my profile photo is actually a prototype Pinto. It's a one of car from the one my Grandfather hand built at the Lincoln experimental shop at Ford in Dearborn. It's a special high stall converter from a pinto prototype all done in their driveway in March 1969 before the unveil. The Maverick portion he bought in 1987, I flew to California with him to buy it."

I'm kind of confused. This is a Maverick, but not really. It's a Pinto prototype even though it looks like a Maverick? It was built at a Lincoln experimental shop, but not really. It was built in a driveway in March 1969. But the Maverick portion (of what???) was purchased in 1987 by the grandfather who built it either in the Lincoln experiment shop - or his driveway .

I'm finding the prototype aspect very intriguing, but following the story I'm completely lost.

dga57

Quote from: FordMavGirlLori on June 10, 2015, 09:50:18 AM
Ahh yeah I just have to convince myself that I'm ready to give away the dream of restoring it. Thanks for responding!

I totally understand that!  If you're not 100% sure, then my advice would be to hang onto it.  I know it's difficult making decisions about things our loved ones leave behind - I lost my mother and my sister within a year and ten days and had to settle both estates.  I obviously couldn't absorb all their belonging into my household, but it was sure difficult deciding what to keep and what not to.

Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

FordMavGirlLori

Ahh yeah I just have to convince myself that I'm ready to give away the dream of restoring it. Thanks for responding!

dga57

You never know... it seems logical that someone here might be interested.  If you're serious about selling it, take lots of photos and list it in the Classifieds section, being sure to explain all the details, and see what happens.  It's a free service so you have nothing to lose by trying!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

FordMavGirlLori

The little Maverick in my profile photo is actually a prototype Pinto. It's a one of car from the one my Grandfather hand built at the Lincoln experimental shop at Ford in Dearborn. It's a special high stall converter from a pinto prototype all done in their driveway in March 1969 before the unveil. The Maverick portion he bought in 1987, I flew to California with him to buy it.

I have been seriously considering getting rid of it. It needs a new torque converter and has sat for a while. The engine will still crank. It looks a little rougher than the photo, that was from 2002 I think.

Does anyine think there would be any interest in it from the Pinto crowd if I were to sell it?