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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1971 with a Cleveland install

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Tonycando

Moving the front of the inner rear wheel well for more clearance. Before and after pics.

dianne

WOW that car is beautiful! I LOVE the yellow!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dga57

Nope, don't see anything particularly rare about it; just looked decent in the photo.  I agree with you that a parts car can be a valuable asset!


Dwayne :)
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Tonycando

Quote from: dga57 on January 30, 2015, 03:43:36 PM
Looks rather nice to be parting out! ???


Dwayne

It's a 2 ltr OHC  that smokes 4 spd car,both doors ore completely rotten,quarters are rusted through,parts are so hard to find I'm finding out for the 1971 that there really are no other options out there but to take this one apart and use what I need and than see if anyone else needs parts to complete there own restoration.

Unless someone comes along and tells me this is a ultra rare model deserving a redo

Thanks
Tony

dga57

Looks rather nice to be parting out! ???


Dwayne
Pinto Car Club of America - Serving the Ford Pinto enthusiast since 1999.

Tonycando

Well things should be easier with the purchSe of a complete running parts car. Kind of cute isn't  it.

Reeves1

Engine Weight and Dimension Comparison
               --------------------------------------

The following numbers come from an early Ford catalog and are for
"typical" engines.  The dimensions include such things as air cleaners, oil
filters, water pump fan, etc., but not bellhousings.

               Engine    Width Length Height Weight

               289-302W  24.0  29.0   27.5   460
               302 Boss  24.5  29.0   28.5   500
               351W      25.0  29.0   29.0   525
               351C      25.5  29.0   29.0   550
               351M-400  26.0  29.0   29.0   575

       Heads       


       50.0 lbs  289/302 - complete including rockers
       56.5 lbs  351C 2bbl open chamber - bare
       58.0 lbs  351C 2bbl open chamber - complete except for rockers
       60.0 lbs  351C 4bbl closed chamber - bare

Tonycando

Quote from: Reeves1 on December 23, 2014, 07:40:09 PM
Couldn't tell for sure in the little pictures.
Made it bigger on my computer, but it got real blurry.....

Hard to find ? Don't see many listed anyplace.

Plan for tubs ?

Cage be 8.5 cert ?

They are still out there and come across them on fleebay once in awhile.
The wheel wells are only going to get widened at the front area where they come in at a angle,and the cage I have planed is a 8 point at this time maybe more if my thoughts come through to fruition to cut out the front inner fenders.

Reeves1

Couldn't tell for sure in the little pictures.
Made it bigger on my computer, but it got real blurry.....

Hard to find ? Don't see many listed anyplace.

Plan for tubs ?

Cage be 8.5 cert ?

Tonycando

Nope no water neck,that is Weiand tunnel ram cleveland specific.

Reeves1

 ;D





In the 3rd picture, the one with an engine sitting in the car. What is the intake for ? Reason I ask is the water neck....

Tonycando

Ahhhhhhh it sideways again.  Dang it

Tonycando

This is the base I speak of that the back of the subframe. Connectors ties into

Tonycando

Quote from: Reeves1 on December 23, 2014, 05:36:22 AM
Looks like the Lakewood 1520 bell ? For the big 164 tooth fly wheel ?

Details on sub frames ? Tubing size, wall thickness ?
Did you go right through to the tail lights ?

Plans for diff ?

Looks like it's going to be tight for your gas peddle.
May I suggest trying to obtain the peddle bracket & peddles out of a 74^ car. If you need to mod them, there are more of them , than the 71/72 that are getting hard to find


Engine mods ? Looks to me to be a stoutly built 351C !

Building your own cage ? If not, who you getting to build it ?

One day I'm going to find out how to fixed those pics lol thanks a bunch
Yes for the 164 tooth flywheel
If you look closely at the pic you can see I welded a 1x2 heavy wall against the rocker panel,it extended all the way to the front spring mount and fit between the spring mound and the rocker panel perfectly and it is all welded together.
Than I ran with the same material across the width of the car from the front of the spring mounts,all welded together into the rocker panel 1x2 and the spring mount brackets all welded in solid.
The connectors are 2x3" I believe 3/16 thick,they tie into at the rear those 1x2's and are gusseted to the front factory frame.
The motor is a 351 cleveland ,aluminum rods,Arias 12.5 Pistons and a 670" lift solid roller.
Still looking at 9" options but will be 31 spline 3:89 geared
As far as the cage goes I might do it myself but there are kit options I've been looking at and just do the install myself,if not there is a guy Dan Lee in High River who could do it for me.

I had a fellow see my pedals wanted add and he emailed me letting me know he had a set for sale from a 71 he built years ago,he told me to look at the pics carefully cause he heated them to move them over a bit for his cleveland with 4spd  Install,I have not put them in yet but I've been installing the seat and making sure the gas pedal and my big foot has room,so far so good.



Reeves1

Looks like the Lakewood 1520 bell ? For the big 164 tooth fly wheel ?

Details on sub frames ? Tubing size, wall thickness ?
Did you go right through to the tail lights ?

Plans for diff ?

Looks like it's going to be tight for your gas peddle.
May I suggest trying to obtain the peddle bracket & peddles out of a 74^ car. If you need to mod them, there are more of them , than the 71/72 that are getting hard to find.

Engine mods ? Looks to me to be a stoutly built 351C !

Building your own cage ? If not, who you getting to build it ?

Reeves1


Tonycando

Couple of pics

russosborne

Thanks.
No rush  on my part, the Pinto is on hold for a bit while I am getting my new daily driver 72 Ranchero (yes, with a 351C) sorted out.
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Tonycando

Quote from: russosborne on December 09, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
Do you have any pictures?
I am going to be doing this with my 74, and although they aren't exactly the same up front it might be a big help to see how you are doing this.
Thanks,
Russ

I wil post pics,just since my last Ipad update I can't seem to post pics with the iPad,once I get it figured I i will post lots of pics.

Tony

russosborne

Do you have any pictures?
I am going to be doing this with my 74, and although they aren't exactly the same up front it might be a big help to see how you are doing this.
Thanks,
Russ
In Glendale, Arizona

RIP Casey, Mallory, Abby, and Sadie. We miss you.

79 Pinto ESS fully caged fun car. In progress. 8inch 4.10 gears. 351C and a T5 waiting to go in.

Tonycando

I guess that's what I'll be looking at this week end,I was really hoping for a bolt on solution but oh well.at least I got lucky with the headers.
I have the block heads and headers along with the trans mocked up in there now,I am kind of setting it all up allowing clearances I need with the headers,the measurement I get from the oil pan rail on the block to the rack is from 3 1/2" to a max of 4"'s and the factory pan is 4 1/2" .so cut chop weld it is.
The pic they have of this pan definately not represent what they sent me.
I've seen a couple of Cleveland's in Pinto's on line running this pan and although questions were asked how they made it work the questions were never responded to.

Tony


Reeves1

Just had a closer look at the 351c pan. I think I see what you mean.
The transition from the shallow end to the sump curves down , where with the 351w & 302w pans end sharply at the sump (allowing fitment over the rack).

Wonder if you could mod that new (or old) pan to replicate this sharp drop ?
Something in the engine preventing this mod ?

Tonycando

Well I got the Milodon 30927 pan,no way is it going to fit the rear of the pan is the same as a stock stamped pan and is just dropped down from the stock sump.
Bummer I really didn't want to build one for this car.

Tony

Reeves1

At one time I was looking for the 90/10 shocks. Never did find any that said "for Pinto" (71 - 73).

I did find info that folks are using different types now.
Never got round to asking those that know.

If you have a good parts guy, measure the stroke you want, top pin, bottom eye & they should be able to match something up for you.
Last time I did this was in the early 70s.....

On my white B2 there are Koni  adjustable, front & back. I have seen the backs for sale not long ago. I'd have to get the number off of the fronts to check for them.

If you do find 90/10s, please post them.


QuoteNasty nasty nasty is the only way to describe how this car is going to be if it hooks up,I am planning on running the Caltracs system .

You gunna need wheely bars as well  ;D

Tonycando

Well from their measurements it looks like the width will work but the length will be tight,I ordered it through Jegs and see how it works.
Does anyone know what race shock is available for the 71 in a 90/10 or what is the differance for the 74 pinto cause that seems to be as far back as they will go.
Thanks
  Tony

Reeves1

That pan should clear. Built the same way the ones for 302w & 351w.

OEM pans bend down too soon. It's this area that hits the pan.
If you have the skills to mod a pan, that will work as well.

For me, it wasn't worth my time to mod one when a good race pan is available.

Tonycando

Yes sir its me.
I'm not sure which springs are in it so I'll have to get some weight in the front and see how the ride height is,it used to have a 302 in it years back but the previous owner really didn't know much of what is upgraded with the springs.
Will that pan clear the manual rack system ? If not I might as well just fab something up.
Does anyone know what 90/10 shock will fit on the front,no one lists them for the 71.
Nasty nasty nasty is the only way to describe how this car is going to be if it hooks up,I am planning on running the Caltracs system .

Reeves1

Top two are used for the 302w & 351w, so the third one down should be the same deal # 30927

http://www.milodon.com/oil-pans/street-oil-pans-ford73.asp

I've checked the 302w pan on newer blocks. Only difference is the dip stick. Have to use the chain cover with the dip stick, and plug the hole in the block on newer ones.

With the Headers you have, you should bolt them to the engine & see if there will be clearance between for the pan flare.

You'll want to protect those rare Headers as well......what springs did you use ?

BTW folks, if Tony is the guy I'm thinking, he is a fellow Canadian  ;D

Tonycando

Hi everyone
New to this site I am
I sold my 64 Fairlane last winter thinking its time to stay out of the car game,didn't last very long when I came across a 71 which I am installing one of my race prepped Cleveland's .
I ordered my headers through Jegs and got lucky,apparently I got the last set of Hedman Hustler swap headers made for this swap,I just ordered a front plate to mount the engine but I am exhausted looking for a oil pan that should work for this swap,is one out there for the Cleveland into a Pinto swap ?
I'll try to post a few pics soon of the subframe connectors we installed and are just finishing patching the floor.
Thanks
Tony