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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

How does a 4 bbl fit on my pinto

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dick1172762

Go to  http://www.cookieboys.com then to cookieboys toys, then to the 79 bobcat pictures of a 4 barrel carb on a 2.3 engine. Enjoy.
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dick1172762

Quote from: rowdyrunabout on November 14, 2014, 06:02:06 AM
I believe you guys need a new thread. We have gone off the track. I'm using a 390cfm and I need some pics of a 4 bbl on a 2.3 please? Thanks
Why? We have already told you ever thing you asked for in your original post. Do what you want with that information and let us have our fun.
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rowdyrunabout

I believe you guys need a new thread. We have gone off the track. I'm using a 390cfm and I need some pics of a 4 bbl on a 2.3 please? Thanks

amc49

Doesn't matter what the internals are; the engine will not flow that much, you don't have enough swept displacement there. The 'running like a scalded dog' verifies it as well, the back barrels are not opening fully and what vacuum secondaries do. They will not open until the engine flows enough to pull them open. Stick a 600 DP on there (won't fit of course)  and that engine will puke its' guts out. Not enough motor, I don't care how radical it is. More radical really does not effect pressure drop in no way like engine physical size does.

76hotrodpinto

Yeah, they're fun as hell! And coming from an old school mopar background, they're cheap to play with.
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denmach1

I'm not sure what the internals of my engine are. I bought it years ago as a crate motor from a shop in Texas. The story as I remember is that this shop built a lot of these for the racing community  and the economy tanked and they slashed the prices. Great deal for me. My first 2.3. Been hooked ever since.

76hotrodpinto

It should run. But there are many issues with too much carb, and anyway you look at it a 600 on a 2.3 is too much. You are likely only getting part of the carbs potential flow, which throws off it's vacuum, which throws tuning. And jetting so far down and probably having the valves too restricted at idle, just because 2.3 liters won't draw, in the range the carb had been designed. Vacuum, fuel and air. It's all about the perfect balance and atomization. Pudding or no, imagine if you had the perfect carb on her!
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Jerry merrill

Since the 600 is working for you, how is your engine modified?

denmach1

I appreciate everyone's opinion and knowledge. When I put the 600 on my 2.3, I thought it would be too much. Well, the proof is in the pudding. She runs like a scalded dog and I wouldn't change a thing.  I have a T5 behind it with a 3.55 rear. There are quite few disappointed 5.0 Foxes in  my town who can't believe a little 'ol 2.3 just crushed their hopes and dreams. :\'( Just saying

76hotrodpinto

The esslinger head has twice the flow, out of the box, as any oem cast head (even ported). And they almost always have a 4412 on them. There is just no way it can pull enough flow to ever use the 600cfm. It's just math.
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rowdyrunabout

Ok, thanks for the help all around,. denmach1....very funny! You posted the pic of what I installed on my car. that's what I bought off ebay. The exact item with linkage. So that's good- I'm on the right track. A little follow up.. My motor was built by B & R speedshop. was bored and has had a little headwork for compression. Has an aftermarket bigger cam. I'd have to find the tech sheet to get details. Has a speedway 3" header, but had to reduce at the frame to 2.5 to fit. Is a 4 speed too. My pinto has not run with any pep since it was built. The stock 2bbl intake and carb was from a 74 mustang- I think. At idle the motor shakes back and forth, and got 10-13 mph. The speedshop suggested the 4 bbl stating that I had way more cam and motor than fuel. They let me use the holley 4150 double pumper, but it just ran into the valve cover. So the offy intake says use the holley 8007 with 390cfm. I believe it's a vacuum secondary. If anyone does have pics of this set up. I welcome the help and any advice. Thanks!

amc49

I would mount carb so the primaries feed the higher port halves. Most of the flow is there anyway as the bottom of the port flows like pure crap and why the D port head was later made.

a 600 is one half of a 1200, when was the last time you saw a 289 or 302 V8 flow a Holley Dominator carb? Why I said what I did, HIGHLY unlikely. The back barrels may never even open and more like a 360-400 cfm carb at the 2 bbl. carb rating of 3" Hg vacuum then. 4 bbls. rate at 1.5 " and totally different rating. It takes a kick-ss 2.3 to flow a 4412 all the way out, that's half of a Holley 800 there.

Hotrod did a story way back and the 2.3 wouldn't flow the 600 until it was WAY MORE than a ministock engine, it was absolutely undriveable on the street but made 270 hp. @ 7500 rpm. NA not turbo. Didn't begin to even think about making any power until 3500 rpm.  But 4500-7500?  Watch out! Pure high rpm only race engine.

dick1172762

Go to the mini stock web site (4m.net) and you will see how a 600 cfm any kind of carb is way too much. With a FULL RACE ENGINE all say to run a 500 cfm two barrel Holley on a long track (over 1/4 mile) and to run a 350 cfm two barrel holley on a short track (under 1/4 mile). None say to run any kind of a four barrel carb on any kind of a track. The 8007 (390 cfm) carb is not the same as the old 390 cfm Holley as the old one did not have a power valve and the new one does. The 8007 is made for V-6's and small V-8's. Plug the power valve and it MIGHT work on a 2.3. Easy to tell if it would work. Holley tech says that is what you need to do to use it on a 2.3, but they also said that they had never tried that in the lab. Only one way to find out. I have used the old 390 cfm carb on a 2.3 with only a header add on, and it ran great. Seemed like it picked up 50 hp. And which way to mount the carb? I have seen it both ways and it worked the same.
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74 PintoWagon

Quote from: amc49 on November 13, 2014, 01:00:25 AM
Most of the 600s out there being vacuum secondary, there is no way of telling if engine is using all of that and I'm betting no.
It would have to flow some HUMONGOUS numbers for a 600 to open all the way, very simple way to find out how much though is with the paperclip trick, put it at the top of the arm and make a pass, then see how far the paperclip moved...
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76hotrodpinto

I run a holley 4412(500cfm 2v) on mine. I run high compression, big cam, big valves with header and 2.5" exhaust. The 4412 has been built to run on this motor, and it's still more than it really needs... mostly.  Even the ess motors I've seen run the 4412. A 600cfm, with out a doubt, has more flow than the 2.3 could ever justify using. And down tuning a carb is just bad juju.

You'll want the 1", or so, manifold plate. For a few reasons, but mostly to help get the fuel mix into the cylinders in even quantities. And a low profile air cleaner.
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amc49

Most of the 600s out there being vacuum secondary, there is no way of telling if engine is using all of that and I'm betting no.

Wittsend

"I actually have a Holley 600 on it and it runs great! The engine is actually a mini-stock racing engine."

Well, that would likely explain why. In this case I'm assuming the rest of the engine is stock.

denmach1


denmach1

I have one of these on one of my Mustangs. I actually have a Holley 600 on it and it runs great! The engine is actually a mini-stock racing engine. The carb mounts sideways. Mine came with a linkage kit that bolts to the carb base that allows the factory throttle linkage to be adapted to it. I may be able to send you a pic tomorrow if you need it. You could possibly find the kit by googling it.

Wittsend

Looking at a picture of the manifold (assumed correct image from Google images) it looks like there is an adapter needed, thus making it a two piece manifold.  I assume different adapters for different carbs.??? Basically given the need for fuel/air distribution it appears the carb needs to be mounted sideways so the primaries/secondaries go front to back not side to side.  Unless there was some oddball linkage originally designed it would be wise to use a cable setup for the throttle.

  How large was the 4150? The 8007 is listed as 390 CFM and should be more than large enough. Possibly too large if you haven't modified the cam and exhaust (maybe to ports too) to use all that extra air.  As a comparison point the 2.3 is about 144 CI.  A lot of the 260/289 guys find a 450 CFM carb large enough on a stock motor. So, a 289 is twice as large, but only using 60 CFM more than the 8007 is providing your 2.3 (144).

Anyway, I have no experience with your setup, I'm just presenting general aspects for contemplation.

pinto bismol

simple fix really. Just do exactly what I do when I have issues. Take your car to "rowdyrunabout"s garage and let him fix it! Works every time! ....so far!
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rowdyrunabout

I have installed an offy 6114dp. I tried to get a 4150 to fit, but it was too big. I now have the Holley 8007 4bbl. It does fit. But I do not know how it is supposed to be orientated. Even the intake plate is directional so it makes a difference which way it turns. Does anyone have pics of this set up? Then the next question is how do I set up the accelerator linkage? Any help would be appreciated.