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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

2015 Pinto ?

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blupinto

It looks like a rebadged Fiesta to me.  :(
One can never have too many Pintos!

jonz2pinto

 :D I remember when it was different sites that had links to each other website.even the birth of a common site and the choosing of the club logo.I also remember seeing pintosophers' pinto poems,love his literary genius.know his car trek creation. I would like him to come up with a parody of don't take the girl but be don't take that car(pinto).I like the variety of skills and talents that make this a great club.isn't it funny how diehard Chevy truck guys like the pinto and no other ford?
Pinto-is short for pint-o-fun.

Scott Hamilton

Hey Jonz-

Glad to finally know who created this, and to know you have been here for many years. I bet you were here before we had a forum and it was just static web pages.

Always loved this photo shopped 'Pinto' - it made us all dream back then...

:)
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

jonz2pinto

Was having trouble with internet and did not catch your post till I already hit post reply.it was a Taurus after all.that model Taurus looks like an slightly bigger Contour ,which would have been a better fit.as long as there is Focus/Fiesta or(Escort/Festiva) I do not see a Pinto badged car.
Pinto-is short for pint-o-fun.

jonz2pinto

WWW.fordpinto.comarchive/new pinto is the full article.pics attached.
Pinto-is short for pint-o-fun.

Scott Hamilton

Here ya go...

http://fordpinto.com/archive/NewPinto.htm

HA!  That is a blast from the past...

The funny thing is that some Ford Engineers saw Norm's 2015 'Pinto' on Ford's Proving Grounds at the Ford Employee car show and was overheard saying that "Why was he not aware of this project?" Too Much Fun!!
Yellow 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
Green 72, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
White 73, Runabout, 2000cc, 4Spd
The Lemon, the Lime and the Coconut, :)

jonz2pinto

 :D I might have thought wrong maybe it was a ford contour but was definitely a hatchback.may try to look up ford pintohoax and see what comes up.on the other hand I do not remember this photo.thanks.
Pinto-is short for pint-o-fun.

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jonz2pinto

 someone years back  tried to pull a fast one by photo shopping a Taurus from a four door to two doors.don't know where that photo is now.it was in the around 2000-2003 years.
Pinto-is short for pint-o-fun.

phils toys


this was taken at the ford mercury restores club meet  while we were on the stampede  it was also at the product development show  PROTOTYPE
Quote from: Reeves1 on July 27, 2014, 08:02:35 AM
Was looking through the Stampede pictures & see this:



What's the story ?
2006, 07,08 ,10 Carlisle 3rd stock pinto 4 years same place
2007 PCCA East Regional Best Wagon
2008 CAHS Prom Coolest Ride
2011,2014 pinto stampede

A Alves

The funny part are the specs. 1.6L 75 HP with the poor mileage.
73 Pinto wagon
77 Pinto panel wagon
87 Mustang GT
06 Mustang GT
99 Mustang convertible current drive
72 Pinto wagon 2.3 turbo 5 spd 4:11 8" rear current drive
15 50th Aniversary Mustang GT current drive when the wife lets me

dianne

Quote from: A Alves on July 27, 2014, 06:49:10 PM
When that link came out including the release date of the car April fools day.

That's all it was :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

A Alves

When that link came out including the release date of the car April fools day.
73 Pinto wagon
77 Pinto panel wagon
87 Mustang GT
06 Mustang GT
99 Mustang convertible current drive
72 Pinto wagon 2.3 turbo 5 spd 4:11 8" rear current drive
15 50th Aniversary Mustang GT current drive when the wife lets me

dick1172762

Looks like a ricer. Not a Ford.
Its better to be a has-been, than a never was.

dianne

http://car-tips-advice.blogspot.com/2013/04/ford-bringing-back-pinto-for-2014.html#.U9VkX1HPGlg

And another that it was supposed to be released in 2014.



In a surprise bit of news from the Blue Oval, we've just learned that Ford will bring back its much-beloved classic, the Pinto, as an all-new model. And it will be coming to dealerships in just a few months. All set to be revealed at the 2013 Shanghai Motor Show and go on sale to Chinese buyers immediately with a U.S. release in Spring 2014, the Pinto will be an exciting addition to a Ford small car lineup that also includes the 2014 Ford Focus and updated Ford Fiesta.

Think of the new Pinto as a sportier small choice, along the lines of a more compact Mustang. We've confirmed a few classic Pinto features that will reappear: the rear-wheel drive, tiny little Pinto will be available in sedan, hatch and wagon forms.

Power will come from a single-barrel-carbureted 1.6-liter four-cylinder engine with 75 horsepower, the first non-fuel-injected gas engine Ford has offered in some time. Fuel efficiency should approach 14 mpg in the city and 19 mpg on the highway, Ford says. An up-level supercharged EcoBoost carbureted four-cylinder will raise power output to an even 100, while fuel efficiency will remain at 14 city/19 highway.

The new 2014 car will keep retro Pinto styling intact. (1977 model shown)

Just like the classic Pinto, the gas tank will be located beneath the trunk, just in front of the rear bumper, for better weight distribution. Ford promises modern safety thanks to a lightweight piece of carbon fiber shielding the passenger compartment from any fire damage should a rear-end collision and explosion occur, but the NHTSA has issued a preemptive mandatory recall, promising that legal action will be taken if a single Pinto reaches customer hands without a complete redesign of the fuel delivery system.

Like in the 1970s, when the Pinto was the ultimate status symbol of youth and 'cool', Ford hopes the Pinto will inject new life to its showrooms. Pricing will start at around $19,999 when the Pinto goes on sale on April 1, 2014.
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

dianne

http://www.thespoof.com/news/business/117973/ford-relaunches-pinto-for-2015

Well, the Pinto still gets bad press - love mine though!  8)

Ford Motor executives announced today that the company will be relaunching it's most popular bomb on wheels for model year 2015!

Like the popular retro Mustang that was introduced in 2006, the new Pinto will look much the same as it's 1970's counterpart except for the explosive rear end gas tank which was standard equipment of the first generation Pinto.

"I'm so excited I could just kiss somebody" stated a Ford represenative at the impromptu press conference held at the small, but cutting edge, Pinto plant in Gary Indiana. "The new Pinto will be faster, stronger, safer and the perfect get around town car for the single welfare Mom to the Community College student" a proud Ford executive beemed as he looked at the bright orange and white Pinto concept car which has been under tight wraps since its early days of redevelopment in late 2011.

New options for the Pinto include, Heater, A/C, single disc CD, Aux hookup, rich Bulgarian vinyl seats and doors and an automatic remote hatchback lid release!

The new Pinto's will be on showroom floors in early 2015! so buy your life insurance now and see your neighborhood Ford Dealer next January!
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

FORD: Federal Ownership Respectfully Denied

postalpony

It was a well kept secret until now.  lol
1980 Hatchback was a "Postal Unit" on the
west coast in it's early life. Now residing
in Ohio, But we don't haul the U.S. Mail anymore;
Now all we do is HAUL!
5th gear 4700 rpm & still pullin'= 113+  mph

UPDATE-83.762 mph in 4th gear As verified by a W Va State Trooper-WITH 1 GEAR TO GO 6-2-11

Reeves1

Was looking through the Stampede pictures & see this:



What's the story ?