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Why the Ford Pinto didn’t suck

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suckThe Ford Pinto was born a low-rent, stumpy thing in Dearborn 40 years ago and grew to become one of the most infamous cars in history. The thing is that it didn't actually suck. Really.

Even after four decades, what's the first thing that comes to mind when most people think of the Ford Pinto? Ka-BLAM! The truth is the Pinto was more than that — and this is the story of how the exploding Pinto became a pre-apocalyptic narrative, how the myth was exposed, and why you should race one.

The Pinto was CEO Lee Iacocca's baby, a homegrown answer to the threat of compact-sized economy cars from Japan and Germany, the sales of which had grown significantly throughout the 1960s. Iacocca demanded the Pinto cost under $2,000, and weigh under 2,000 pounds. It was an all-hands-on-deck project, and Ford got it done in 25 months from concept to production.

Building its own small car meant Ford's buyers wouldn't have to hew to the Japanese government's size-tamping regulations; Ford would have the freedom to choose its own exterior dimensions and engine sizes based on market needs (as did Chevy with the Vega and AMC with the Gremlin). And people cold dug it.

When it was unveiled in late 1970 (ominously on September 11), US buyers noted the Pinto's pleasant shape — bringing to mind a certain tailless amphibian — and interior layout hinting at a hipster's sunken living room. Some call it one of the ugliest cars ever made, but like fans of Mischa Barton, Pinto lovers care not what others think. With its strong Kent OHV four (a distant cousin of the Lotus TwinCam), the Pinto could at least keep up with its peers, despite its drum brakes and as long as one looked past its Russian-roulette build quality.

But what of the elephant in the Pinto's room? Yes, the whole blowing-up-on-rear-end-impact thing. It all started a little more than a year after the Pinto's arrival.

 

Grimshaw v. Ford Motor Company

On May 28, 1972, Mrs. Lilly Gray and 13-year-old passenger Richard Grimshaw, set out from Anaheim, California toward Barstow in Gray's six-month-old Ford Pinto. Gray had been having trouble with the car since new, returning it to the dealer several times for stalling. After stopping in San Bernardino for gasoline, Gray got back on I-15 and accelerated to around 65 mph. Approaching traffic congestion, she moved from the left lane to the middle lane, where the car suddenly stalled and came to a stop. A 1962 Ford Galaxie, the driver unable to stop or swerve in time, rear-ended the Pinto. The Pinto's gas tank was driven forward, and punctured on the bolts of the differential housing.

As the rear wheel well sections separated from the floor pan, a full tank of fuel sprayed straight into the passenger compartment, which was engulfed in flames. Gray later died from congestive heart failure, a direct result of being nearly incinerated, while Grimshaw was burned severely and left permanently disfigured. Grimshaw and the Gray family sued Ford Motor Company (among others), and after a six-month jury trial, verdicts were returned against Ford Motor Company. Ford did not contest amount of compensatory damages awarded to Grimshaw and the Gray family, and a jury awarded the plaintiffs $125 million, which the judge in the case subsequently reduced to the low seven figures. Other crashes and other lawsuits followed.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Mother Jones and Pinto Madness

In 1977, Mark Dowie, business manager of Mother Jones magazine published an article on the Pinto's "exploding gas tanks." It's the same article in which we first heard the chilling phrase, "How much does Ford think your life is worth?" Dowie had spent days sorting through filing cabinets at the Department of Transportation, examining paperwork Ford had produced as part of a lobbying effort to defeat a federal rear-end collision standard. That's where Dowie uncovered an innocuous-looking memo entitled "Fatalities Associated with Crash-Induced Fuel Leakage and Fires."

The Car Talk blog describes why the memo proved so damning.

In it, Ford's director of auto safety estimated that equipping the Pinto with [an] $11 part would prevent 180 burn deaths, 180 serious burn injuries and 2,100 burned cars, for a total cost of $137 million. Paying out $200,000 per death, $67,000 per injury and $700 per vehicle would cost only $49.15 million.

The government would, in 1978, demand Ford recall the million or so Pintos on the road to deal with the potential for gas-tank punctures. That "smoking gun" memo would become a symbol for corporate callousness and indifference to human life, haunting Ford (and other automakers) for decades. But despite the memo's cold calculations, was Ford characterized fairly as the Kevorkian of automakers?

Perhaps not. In 1991, A Rutgers Law Journal report [PDF] showed the total number of Pinto fires, out of 2 million cars and 10 years of production, stalled at 27. It was no more than any other vehicle, averaged out, and certainly not the thousand or more suggested by Mother Jones.

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

The big rebuttal, and vindication?

But what of the so-called "smoking gun" memo Dowie had unearthed? Surely Ford, and Lee Iacocca himself, were part of a ruthless establishment who didn't care if its customers lived or died, right? Well, not really. Remember that the memo was a lobbying document whose audience was intended to be the NHTSA. The memo didn't refer to Pintos, or even Ford products, specifically, but American cars in general. It also considered rollovers not rear-end collisions. And that chilling assignment of value to a human life? Indeed, it was federal regulators who often considered that startling concept in their own deliberations. The value figure used in Ford's memo was the same one regulators had themselves set forth.

In fact, measured by occupant fatalities per million cars in use during 1975 and 1976, the Pinto's safety record compared favorably to other subcompacts like the AMC Gremlin, Chevy Vega, Toyota Corolla and VW Beetle.

And what of Mother Jones' Dowie? As the Car Talk blog points out, Dowie now calls the Pinto, "a fabulous vehicle that got great gas mileage," if not for that one flaw: The legendary "$11 part."

Why the Ford Pinto didn't suck

Pinto Racing Doesn't Suck

Back in 1974, Car and Driver magazine created a Pinto for racing, an exercise to prove brains and common sense were more important than an unlimited budget and superstar power. As Patrick Bedard wrote in the March, 1975 issue of Car and Driver, "It's a great car to drive, this Pinto," referring to the racer the magazine prepared for the Goodrich Radial Challenge, an IMSA-sanctioned road racing series for small sedans.

Why'd they pick a Pinto over, say, a BMW 2002 or AMC Gremlin? Current owner of the prepped Pinto, Fox Motorsports says it was a matter of comparing the car's frontal area, weight, piston displacement, handling, wheel width, and horsepower to other cars of the day that would meet the entry criteria. (Racers like Jerry Walsh had by then already been fielding Pintos in IMSA's "Baby Grand" class.)

Bedard, along with Ron Nash and company procured a 30,000-mile 1972 Pinto two-door to transform. In addition to safety, chassis and differential mods, the team traded a 200-pound IMSA weight penalty for the power gain of Ford's 2.3-liter engine, which Bedard said "tipped the scales" in the Pinto's favor. But according to Bedard, it sounds like the real advantage was in the turns, thanks to some add-ons from Mssrs. Koni and Bilstein.

"The Pinto's advantage was cornering ability," Bedard wrote. "I don't think there was another car in the B. F. Goodrich series that was quicker through the turns on a dry track. The steering is light and quick, and the suspension is direct and predictable in a way that street cars never can be. It never darts over bumps, the axle is perfectly controlled and the suspension doesn't bottom."

Need more proof of the Pinto's lack of suck? Check out the SCCA Washington, DC region's spec-Pinto series.

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My Somewhat Begrudging Apology To Ford Pinto

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I never thought I’d offer an apology to the Ford Pinto, but I guess I owe it one.

I had a Pinto in the 1970s. Actually, my wife bought it a few months before we got married. The car became sort of a wedding dowry. So did the remaining 80% of the outstanding auto loan.

During a relatively brief ownership, the Pinto’s repair costs exceeded the original price of the car. It wasn’t a question of if it would fail, but when. And where. Sometimes, it simply wouldn’t start in the driveway. Other times, it would conk out at a busy intersection.

It ranks as the worst car I ever had. That was back when some auto makers made quality something like Job 100, certainly not Job 1.

Despite my bad Pinto experience, I suppose an apology is in order because of a recent blog I wrote. It centered on Toyota’s sudden-acceleration problems. But in discussing those, I invoked the memory of exploding Pintos, perpetuating an inaccuracy.

The widespread allegation was that, due to a design flaw, Pinto fuel tanks could readily blow up in rear-end collisions, setting the car and its occupants afire.

People started calling the Pinto “the barbecue that seats four.” And the lawsuits spread like wild fire.

Responding to my blog, a Ford (“I would very much prefer to keep my name out of print”) manager contacted me to set the record straight.

He says exploding Pintos were a myth that an investigation debunked nearly 20 years ago. He cites Gary Schwartz’ 1991 Rutgers Law Review paper that cut through the wild claims and examined what really happened.

Schwartz methodically determined the actual number of Pinto rear-end explosion deaths was not in the thousands, as commonly thought, but 27.

In 1975-76, the Pinto averaged 310 fatalities a year. But the similar-size Toyota Corolla averaged 313, the VW Beetle 374 and the Datsun 1200/210 came in at 405.

Yes, there were cases such as a Pinto exploding while parked on the shoulder of the road and hit from behind by a speeding pickup truck. But fiery rear-end collisions comprised only 0.6% of all fatalities back then, and the Pinto had a lower death rate in that category than the average compact or subcompact, Schwartz said after crunching the numbers. Nor was there anything about the Pinto’s rear-end design that made it particularly unsafe.

Not content to portray the Pinto as an incendiary device, ABC’s 20/20 decided to really heat things up in a 1978 broadcast containing “startling new developments.” ABC breathlessly reported that, not just Pintos, but fullsize Fords could blow up if hit from behind.

20/20 thereupon aired a video, shot by UCLA researchers, showing a Ford sedan getting rear-ended and bursting into flames. A couple of problems with that video:

One, it was shot 10 years earlier.

Two, the UCLA researchers had openly said in a published report that they intentionally rigged the vehicle with an explosive.

That’s because the test was to determine how a crash fire affected the car’s interior, not to show how easily Fords became fire balls. They said they had to use an accelerant because crash blazes on their own are so rare. They had tried to induce a vehicle fire in a crash without using an igniter, but failed.

ABC failed to mention any of that when correspondent Sylvia Chase reported on “Ford’s secret rear-end crash tests.”

We could forgive ABC for that botched reporting job. After all, it was 32 years ago. But a few weeks ago, ABC, in another one of its rigged auto exposes, showed video of a Toyota apparently accelerating on its own.

Turns out, the “runaway” vehicle had help from an associate professor. He built a gizmo with an on-off switch to provide acceleration on demand. Well, at least ABC didn’t show the Toyota slamming into a wall and bursting into flames.

In my blog, I also mentioned that Ford’s woes got worse in the 1970s with the supposed uncovering of an internal memo by a Ford attorney who allegedly calculated it would cost less to pay off wrongful-death suits than to redesign the Pinto.

It became known as the “Ford Pinto memo,” a smoking gun. But Schwartz looked into that, too. He reported the memo did not pertain to Pintos or any Ford products. Instead, it had to do with American vehicles in general.

It dealt with rollovers, not rear-end crashes. It did not address tort liability at all, let alone advocate it as a cheaper alternative to a redesign. It put a value to human life because federal regulators themselves did so.

The memo was meant for regulators’ eyes only. But it was off to the races after Mother Jones magazine got a hold of a copy and reported what wasn’t the case.

The exploding-Pinto myth lives on, largely because more Americans watch 20/20 than read the Rutgers Law Review. One wonders what people will recollect in 2040 about Toyota’s sudden accelerations, which more and more look like driver error and, in some cases, driver shams.

So I guess I owe the Pinto an apology. But it’s half-hearted, because my Pinto gave me much grief, even though, as the Ford manager notes, “it was a cheap car, built long ago and lots of things have changed, almost all for the better.”

Here goes: If I said anything that offended you, Pinto, I’m sorry. And thanks for not blowing up on me.

1979 Turbo Pinchero project

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CanadianBatman

Haha hey say what you want. I was raised on Ford for breakfast lunch and dinner, but that damned Vega is the best runner I've had. I've towed everything in that car. And the diff fit like a glove. I've even slept in it multiple times and had it in two major Canada day car shows.

It's a completely stock 1977 Vega Hatchback 4 cyl 4 speed. Black leather interior and bright orange outside. And it's unrestored. Sat in a garage for 15 years. Still has the experimental aluminum/silicone block, cast head and hypereutectic pistons. Early motors where sleeveless!
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

dga57

I'm still trying to process the idea of you using a Chevy Vega as your parts hauler! :o
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Reeves1

If you need work / help with it, contact Dario in Calgary. Supposed to be good & is a fellow Pinto guy.

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CanadianBatman

Sniped a diff from pick n pull this weekend. Out of a '79 mustang giha. It's an 8"!

1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

I planned on adding an aftermarket tach and gauges myself. I did see somewhere where someone put TC gauges in the Pinto cluster though.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

CanadianBatman

woohoo! you guys are awesome! speaking of wiring harnesses, what are you guys doing for a dash cluster. obviously the speedo isnt compatible. are you just using the turbo coupe dash, or custom building your own?
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

It won't be hard with a wiring diagram. Scroll down to "PEtoLA.pdf":

http://www.rothfam.com/svo/reference/

An '86 ECU schematic is on the last page of the pdf. Then you can just grab a connector and find the pins in the ECU plug.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

CanadianBatman

Yaaay wiring harness work. I have a long night of wire tracing ahead of me.



1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

CanadianBatman

Far as I know the pipe is original. Still has the correct t3 turbo. Mine didn't even have the lifting eye. I had to sling the chain around the exhaust manifold. That was a tight fit and a sketchy lift.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

It's interesting that your '86 has the finned compressor outlet tube. I'm pretty sure that only Merkurs got it.

Was the hoisting loop at the back of the exhaust manifold broken off on your engine too? I ended up using a 12mm head bolt in the hole near that point...and it got bent lifting that iron lump!
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

CanadianBatman

got a bunch done on the weekend. Stripped the motor out. And split the tranny off. I'm going to put in a new clutch/flywheel. I'm in there, might as well. Just a couple things left in the donor car and it can roll down the road.





1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

Get the mess of fuel pump wiring, fuses, inertia switch, and relays that go from the ECU into the trunk. Emphasis on mess; you'll probably have to pull the rear seat and get under the passenger-side carpet.

Also get the throttle cable and maybe pedal. I haven't reached that part of my swap, but I do know the stock 2.0 cable is too short.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

CanadianBatman

Time for the big move! I got a random week off of work. And now my big plan is to have both the motor from the TC and the Pinchero Pulled. I want to do some quick tear down work on the turbo motor, and i need to rebuild the Transmission, but if i can have the motor and all other connected equipment out so that i can be rid of the shell. I already have the wiring harnesses seperated, and it should be a quick pull and run. Is there anything generally skipped over that i should be taking from the turbo coupe?
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

82expghost

i used the late 80s mustang 8.8 cut the mounts off and welded on the perches and it fit perfectly under my 77, the hard part was getting the old rear end off. i would do it again. the problem with the explorer rear is you dont have the 4 lug, the disks are huge so you have to ballance the brakes, have to cut out the axle tube, hope you get that tube on perfect so you dont keep blowing wheel bearings. i find the mustang 8.8 is also the cheapest per performance ratio. unless you plan on making 500 or so, i think the late 80 mustang is the only way to go
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92 grand marquis, daily

65ShelbyClone

I think ease of installation goes to the 8" and 9" rears. The lower entry fee on an Explorer 8.8 is offset by all the modification they need.

BUT...I'm finding that none of the sorry chain stores around here stock basic 8/9" repair parts like seals and axle bearings. I can get carrier and pinion bearings and crush sleeves all day long, but not the stuff that actually wears out in less than 40 years.  ::)
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

8.8 are plentiful, a dime a dozen. theres got to be hundreds of thousands of explorers in the yards... I think I paid $235.00 for mine, complete. it came with a 373 ratio, track lock diff, disc brakes, 5 lugs and large 31 spline axles. If that aint a deal I don't know what is... 8) the 8.8's are pretty easy to work on, I took mine apart and reassembled it, wit no experience whatsoever... but, which ever way you go, you'll have a good setup.

CanadianBatman

Here's a couple pictures of the bed. And yes that is a goat in the first one.

I would love to go with an 8.8 and if I find one in the yards or private sales around here, but my chances are a lot higher that ill snipe a 9 in one of the scrap yards. Plus I've already done a rebuild on a 9 so I have -some- experience with them.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

dianne

I'd love to see a picture of what that bed looks like :)
Vehicles:

- 1972 Plymouth Duster (To be a Pro Street)
- 1973 Ford Pinto wagon (registered ride 195)
- 1976 Mustang II mini-stock
- 1978 Mustang King Cobra II
- 1979 Ford Pinto Runabout
- 1986 Chevy K5 Blazer
- 1997 Suzuki Marauder

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65ShelbyClone

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on August 06, 2014, 05:18:26 PM
Nines are tough, but they're really heavy and zoop up a bit more power.

Huh....this forum's software is set up to replace bad-sounding words like $uck with "zoop."

Nines have a lot of pinion offset and the necessary spiral angle on the teeth causes a lot of sliding between the gear teeth, which causes it to soak up a bit more power than other designs. That is what also makes it stronger because it creates large contact areas between teeth and across multiple teeth at the same time. One thing is for sure though, a factory 28 or 31 spline T-lok 9" chunk is 1000x easier to find than any factory T-lok 8" carrier. If you can find a 57" nine rear, roll with it I guess.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

I don't know why you would go with a 9", an 8.8 is lighter, just as strong if not stronger, and has less friction during operation.

http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag174/don3310/DSC00891_zps54b0b228.jpg
narrowed ford explorer 8.8

65ShelbyClone

I dragged home an 8" out of a Mustang II, so that was the "easy" way to upgrade in my case. Nines are tough, but they're really heavy and zoop up a bit more power.

The alternator wiring is in the driver's side portion of the T-Bird lighting harness, but I don't think you'll really need it. My TC alternator has the same connections on the back as the one out of my Pinto. They are both externally-regulated "1G" (first generation) Ford alternators.

I'm going to use a 130A "3G" alternator myself and it does need wiring alteration due to being internally regulated.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

CanadianBatman

Yeah looks like I'm going to have to go with a 9". I don't like breaking stuff. As fun as it is. Haha easy enough to weld spring mounts and the whole 9 yards I have access, limmited, but access to a welder.

The project is coming along nicely, every little bit helps. Got the wiring harness in the thunderbird stripped, everything labelled. Looks like the engine harness and the body harness are mostly separate. A couple things I have to weed out, like the alternator wiring is in the body harness. Blegh.
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

65ShelbyClone

Yeah, even 5.5" BS wheels won't fix that spacing. Those are "Pony" wheels that came standard on 91-93 Mustang GTs and were optional on 5.0 LXs.

The '87-88 TurboCoupe rear is a Traction-Lok 8.8" with disc brakes and it is also 61" wide. It is/was a popular swap for Fox3 Mustangs, but makes the wheels stick out. Interestingly, only the axles make it wider. The "easy" way to narrow it was to install the shorter Mustang axles and either flip or modify (I forgot which) the caliper brackets. The '87-88 TC rear also came with either 3.55 gears or 3.73s.

I have read only speculation that the earlier 7.5" drum rear can be narrowed in a similar fashion.

Quote from: CanadianBatman on August 01, 2014, 01:53:12 AM
This interests me! does anyone remember someone using a Turbo coupe rear end in a pinto? i dont mind a little wheel spacing. this would work perfectly as i have an entire donor car, and that rear should take the power i want to generate, without grenading. Ive been looking around to see if i can find anyones swap in the archives and everything, but ive come up empty.

Thanks so much for all of the help and info!

I corrected my previous post. The rear end in your '85 'Bird is 7.5", not 7.25.

Regardless, I wouldn't invest work involved with using the 7.5" (I know it's really tempting because it's right there) if your ultimate goal is 400hp, especially if any hard launches are planned. The 7.5 will live a lot longer under a lightweight Pinto that it would under a 3400lb 'Bird with the same power, but I don't know what the limits are.

Do it once, do it right, and do it with an 8" or larger rear end. Get the 8.8" T-Lok out of an '87-93 5.0 Mustang if you want a project. The gears will be 2.73-3.08, but it should also be the right 57" drum-to-drum width for a Pinto/early Mustang.

'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

oldkayaker

Below are a couple old photos from ebay showing a 73 Pinto with a 87TC rear and 16" Mustang rims.  The tires do noticeably stick out a bit.  The 87TC rear is different from your 85TC but the width may be the same (don't know).  There are several threads here on narrowing Explorer 8.8" rears for Pinto use.  Nice Pinchero conversion.
Jerry J - Jupiter, Florida

CanadianBatman

Quote from: 65ShelbyClone on July 30, 2014, 12:40:24 PM


As an FYI, the 'Bird has a 61" wide (drum-to-drum) 7.25" Traction-Lock rear end most likely with 3.45 gears. I have heard of people using Turbo Coupe rear ends with Fox3 wheel offsets, but could never find anything on exactly how well it fit under Pinto wheel wells. The 10-hole wheels have 5.00" backspacing, so they would still stick out pretty far on each side....I would think.

This interests me! does anyone remember someone using a Turbo coupe rear end in a pinto? i dont mind a little wheel spacing. this would work perfectly as i have an entire donor car, and that rear should take the power i want to generate, without grenading. Ive been looking around to see if i can find anyones swap in the archives and everything, but ive come up empty.

Thanks so much for all of the help and info!
1979 Pinto Pinchero Custom body Truck!
1977 Vega stock 4cyl 4speed
1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

Reeves1

Get Dario in Calgary to mod a newer Ranger diff !
Think they 8.8 - only problem I see is the 4:88 gears.
Be in 3rd before you are through the lights  ;D

65ShelbyClone

Quote from: CanadianBatman on July 28, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
Thanks guys! It's looking to be a challenge, this is my first engine swap. My hopes are for around 200 horse on the road for the first time I take it out, And build from there.

200rwhp should be fairly trivial with stock parts, an intercooler, and 2.5-3.0" exhaust. The intercooled 2.3T cars frequently made their rated flywheel horsepower at the wheels. Ford has been pretty good about underrating their performance engines since then. ;D

A large VAM+ECU and E6 manifold would make 200rwhp easier though. I don't think any 1985 ½ cars were titled as 1985s; just 1986.

QuoteAt 200hp do you guys think it's a necessity to build a roll cage to strengthen the frame, or should I be okay for now? By the time I figure I'll be "done" with the car, I want about 400 out of it, but By then I'll have a cage.

Subframe connectors would probably help bridge the gap between a cage and nothing at all.

Quote from: CanadianBatman on July 28, 2014, 11:04:12 PM
Well...it's a 6.75 rear...damn. wgf-an on the axle tag. 308 gear ratio though. Probably won't hold up to 200 horse eh?

I asked this same question recently in General Talk:

http://www.fordpinto.com/general-pinto-talk/powertorque-limits-of-a-stock-6-75in-rear-end/msg151107/#msg151107

As an FYI, the 'Bird has a 61" wide (drum-to-drum) 7.25" (Correction: 7.5") Traction-Lock rear end most likely with 3.45 gears. I have heard of people using Turbo Coupe rear ends with Fox3 wheel offsets, but could never find anything on exactly how well it fit under Pinto wheel wells. The 10-hole wheels have 5.00" backspacing, so they would still stick out pretty far on each side....I would think.
'72 Runabout - 2.3T, T5, MegaSquirt-II, 8", 5-lugs, big brakes.
'68 Mustang - Built roller 302, Toploader, 9", etc.

don33

Quote from: CanadianBatman on July 28, 2014, 04:38:42 PM
A few other things that have me thinking are, I will need a pinto pickup/oil pan and engine mounts right? Also will I have to weld in the bases for the mounts? I've been searching, but unable to come up with an answer. A few guys have had to, but that's in early bodied cars whereas mine is a 79 with an 85 donor and I'm going from a v6, auto and I think an 8" to turbo 4, manual, 8".

yep, you will need a 2.3 pinto oil pan/pickup and engine mounts. not sure about the bases. I don't have any experience with the 6.75 rear, but they were made to deal with 80 or 90 HP. If it were me, I'd be looking for an 8", especially if you see some possible spirited driving in your future...

CanadianBatman

Well...it's a 6.75 rear...damn. wgf-an on the axle tag. 308 gear ratio though. Probably won't hold up to 200 horse eh?
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1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd

CanadianBatman

A few other things that have me thinking are, I will need a pinto pickup/oil pan and engine mounts right? Also will I have to weld in the bases for the mounts? I've been searching, but unable to come up with an answer. A few guys have had to, but that's in early bodied cars whereas mine is a 79 with an 85 donor and I'm going from a v6, auto and I think an 8" to turbo 4, manual, 8".
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1987 Chevette Scooter 2dr 4spd